Yep. I know all this. There's a NeXT Cube and MegaPixel display in my closet. They still work.
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Yep. I know all this. There's a NeXT Cube and MegaPixel display in my closet. They still work.
Even better, Apple is the most profitable tech company in history and not just because of the iPhone. The PC market profit share of the Mac is equal to that of all other vendors combined. You won't convince anybody that they are on the wrong track. Call Porsche and tell them their cars are too expensive, so you had to buy a Ford. They won't care.
This very possible. Some workflows may be tied to the mac "experience" for the time being. I am only a serious hobbyist in photography and videography. Try to do it all pro (methods, tools, etc as best as wallet allow), just don't get paid guess you could say. For now, at some point to make the files flow money could grease those wheels lol.
If needed I can change workflows in 2017/2018 on other systems when I feel the mid 2015 MBP earned its keep.
I don't have bridezilla's on my butt and a contract with deadline signed. Those that have bridezilla issues...rock and a hard place there. work that backlog in what they know...or have deadline problems settling into a different windows rig.
Why not looking at apple's sales numbers as all good. Some quite possibly are forced buys. Ideally you should have a customer base that wants your product willingly 100%....and not obligated to use it since at the time cost of conversion to something else too high to put out. I work in IT and know this position sucks. Why I try to avoid it. That one vendor becomes your lifeline, or more apt a heroine fix as it were. Puts too much power in their hands and not always good thing.
Even better, Apple is the most profitable tech company in history and not just because of the iPhone. The PC market profit share of the Mac is equal to that of all other vendors combined. You won't convince anybody that they are on the wrong track. Call Porsche and tell them their cars are too expensive, so you had to buy a Ford. They won't care.
These aren't Fords.
I take my laptop to a remote client site, where I have three HD monitors for development. Currently I have a great dock for my MBPr and I don't have to carry dongles around. (http://www.landingzone.net/products...macbook-pro/#products-macbook-pro-description)
Maybe I missed something but are there such docks at the moment? I guess my complaint is *Apple* isn't providing the basic tools I need for _my_ job. When not docking to monitors/devices I'm sure it's fine.
Apple's own marketing pages ignore how ugly the device (and accessories) they ship would look if used that way (http://www.apple.com/thunderbolt/) because they simply show the wires going into the back of the laptop...which they don't.
If you know of a quality solution, I'm all ears!
Yes, your figure is right: Back in 2012 the Mac product line was really good. And you're perhaps right with the example of Porsches and Fords, as you might very well argue that Apple has turned into a Ford painted in fashion colors. But there's an old saying stating that you've lost your point when you use cars as an example. I'm not into fanbase discussions, it's not my business. My business is simulation, and my OS of choice is MacOS. They mixed fine in the past, but not in the present. I don't understand why one would feel offended by the claim that Apple should keep an strong strategic commitment to professionals. It's shocking to say the least.Even better, Apple is the most profitable tech company in history and not just because of the iPhone. The PC market profit share of the Mac is equal to that of all other vendors combined. You won't convince anybody that they are on the wrong track. Call Porsche and tell them their cars are too expensive, so you had to buy a Ford. They won't care.
By the time the Surface Studio comes to the UK I'll be pitting it against the (probably new) iMac. If Apple screw the iMac into yesterday it's probably going to be the Surface Studio for my photography studio, and that's after nearly 20 years of being a loyal Apple user with maxed out iMacs all the way.
I'm a big fan of MacOS, but I'm willing to migrate everything to Windows if Apple can't show that they're interested in Pro Users. The Surface Studio looks like an awesome machine - the display on it's own would be worth the jump.
I can run Capture One Pro, Photoshop and Premier on Windows, and just shut down all of my iCloud, calendars and so on if I have to. Happy to keep iTunes running, but the rest of it doesn't really matter to pro customers like me.
The point is, I need my computer to work as hard as I do, and make it easier to continue while being competitive. For example, I'm not certain that I need a massive HD touch screen, but I'm sure that with something like photography it can only be a good thing in the long run. Connectivity is there - looks like a capable machine.
I've stuck with Apple for years, but my clients couldn't give a crap if their pictures are edited on a Mac or A PC - they just want them to be good. If the Surface Studio gives me what I want, then that's an easy decision. It's a ball ache to migrate, but it can be done.
I'm not the only one.
Then, if you have the knowledge, why do you believe that an ARM MacBook would allow to build iOS apps from iOS? Please elaborate.
They're also not user upgradable....which apparently is only a problem when it's Apple's devices that aren't.
Even better, Apple is the most profitable tech company in history and not just because of the iPhone. The PC market profit share of the Mac is equal to that of all other vendors combined. You won't convince anybody that they are on the wrong track. Call Porsche and tell them their cars are too expensive, so you had to buy a Ford. They won't care.
They're a few eggs company though: they only have two or three core products. The crashing of one year's model is vastly more impactful than for anyone else of that size.
Amazon can have a phone flop. Samsung can have one discontinued. It doesn't matter so much: they have their fingers in many pies. What if the Note 7 disaster happened to the iPhone 8? Pets.com 2.0.
I know I'm coming late to this party and I haven't the patience to read all 40 pages so this may have been said before... I am so glad people are complaining as I am very upset.
I don't use a laptop at all. They seem fine, I don't really care, may you all enjoy them. I don't get to travel often, I work at my desk every day, on a Mac, or a few of them. I've been on the Mac since 1985, I've run a graphic design firm, coded web sites since about 1995 and hosted them since about 1997 or 1998. My primary endeavor is to build custom databases, for a living, and yes, almost all of them on the Mac. Little computers are of no use to me. iPads are less than useless.
I've done work for companies large and small an across many industries. There are tons of companies across the world that run on Macs and they need databases to run their operations. Why not just use PHP, or Node and connect to mySQL? Well, its a good question, but I've been using Helix, and I can produce 10 times the amount of screens in a single week than I can with coding systems. That's a major savings for my customers. There is nothing like it on the PC, on the net, or anywhere else. FileMaker is getting better as well.
I get that they sell more iPhones and other entertainment stuff. Am I disappointed? You bet, Apple is going to put me out of business with this crap!
I don't use a laptop at all. They seem fine, I don't really care, may you all enjoy them. I don't get to travel often, I work at my desk every day, on a Mac, or a few of them. I've been on the Mac since 1985, I've run a graphic design firm, coded web sites since about 1995 and hosted them since about 1997 or 1998. My primary endeavor is to build custom databases, for a living, and yes, almost all of them on the Mac. Little computers are of no use to me. iPads are less than useless.
I've done work for companies large and small an across many industries. There are tons of companies across the world that run on Macs and they need databases to run their operations. Why not just use PHP, or Node and connect to mySQL? Well, its a good question, but I've been using Helix, and I can produce 10 times the amount of screens in a single week than I can with coding systems. That's a major savings for my customers. There is nothing like it on the PC, on the net, or anywhere else. FileMaker is getting better as well.
I get that they sell more iPhones and other entertainment stuff. Am I disappointed? You bet, Apple is going to put me out of business with this crap!
Maybe it's time to bust out the tonymacx86.com then. It is a PAIN it the butt to set up, especially if you skip steps like I accidentally did, but once you get it going it is flipping amazing to have 64Gig, 4Ghz processor, one (ok, I have two) of the latest video cards, an ultra-wide screen monitor, dual SSD's and whatever connectors I want on it.
Doesn't look as pretty, but it doesn't sound like you care about that anyway!
Everyone knows this is a profitable mass market machine. They are going to make a killing. The entry level is a better value than the current MBAir 13 because of the top of the line display and faster SSD and IO. The top of the line 15 is a great all around improvement - for most. If you look at the package as a whole, its great laptop. With two chassis they have covered the whole sweet spot of the market.Even better, Apple is the most profitable tech company in history and not just because of the iPhone. The PC market profit share of the Mac is equal to that of all other vendors combined. You won't convince anybody that they are on the wrong track. Call Porsche and tell them their cars are too expensive, so you had to buy a Ford. They won't care.
But why be stubborn and not see that Apple has been neglecting an important segment of their long time, enthusiast customer base, who need high resource machines? Your argument is profit? Um - exactly. These machines and the people who use them are important to the applications, content, companies [and even image] that drive and support the Apple platform. Its more like Porsche [your simile] announcing it is getting out of racing because the sales of race cars do not justify the research and development just for a small niche race car market. [Except we are really talking about commercial duty Macs and commercial operations.]
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But you need this new Macbook Pro because its thinner, so thin you can cut cabbage with it to put in your soup after you use your thin Ipad to cut carrots! Your 17inch macbook pro can't do that!
Did Hitler say that? Because Godwin's law is the only one I know and don't care about.
And how has last weeks keynote negatively effected your business? With twice as fast SSD, twice as fast graphics and twice as fast Thunderbolt ports, the new MBPs should only be better at simulating stuff. And the new MP whenever it comes will be a lot faster too. You've absolutely nothing to complain about.
You know there is an old saying here on MacRumors, when you need to invoke professionalism you've already lost the argument. Pro only means, workload a MacBook Pro can handle. If even a three year old Mac Pro can't master your workload, then you've clearly chosen the wrong hardware supplier.
This is really a different issue than 32GB vs 16GB. While I agree that it would be nice to draw on the screen, a 13.5 inch notebook is too small for my needs on the laptop front and way too big for my needs on the tablet front. It is a compromise in both directions. I can already take notes and draw on my 9.7 inch iPad, which is the tablet size I prefer.
A lot of people think the Touch Bar was the wow factor, so we will see how that plays out since no one has real world experience with it yet. However, for me, the main drawback of the Surface Book, other than the size, is the fact that it runs Windows. No more Continuity features, no more Final Cut Pro, etc. Many more reboots for security updates, more virus scanner updates, etc. Not to mention that I have an Apple Store nearby if I need help with a problem. In fairness, I haven't dealt with Microsoft's customer service recently, but without a nearby store, at the very least I would be inconvenienced longer if I had to send it in...at the worst, it would be similar to Dell (don't even want to talk about how the service tech I dealt with in the past did not know what a "fan" was and neither did the second person they sent me to.).
Right now, I can get around the lack of Pencil input in Photoshop with a Wacom tablet or the Astropad app on my iPad. There is no way around Windows. (Note: My preference would be for MacOS to incorporate Pencil input in certain apps, even if they didn't make the entire OS touch friendly. However, like I said, there is a simple work around since I own an iPad.)
What I don't get is where are the 'Apple apologists' coming from. The people writing on these forums that anybody disappointed, or fed up, or frustrated with Apple etc are 'whiners'. What's the point? Are they getting a kick out of it?
The amount of stuff I've read the past few days, weeks and years from this point of view, just doesn't make sense to me rationally. One of the most clear examples relates to the lack of power cable extension in the new MBP. The response has been 'It's ok, I have some kicking around anyway'. Or for the audio jack 'I didn't use it anyway'. For the lack of 32gb ram - ' I don't use that much, why would anybody else'? It's like they take a position ( consciously, or most likely, unconsciously, and feel like they have to defend or take this position no matter what happens). If you come across one of these posts, and then see the contributions from the posters, it is likely that every single one of their posts, since they joined, will be coming from this perspective, regardless of any real world feedback or events.
I don't know what to make of this. It's making Macrumors nearly unreadable for me - because most of the time, there are rational, or emotional responses being explained by posters, based on their experiences, needs, hopes and expectations. And then these guys chip in with these responses. Do they not realise that most people here were the ones who kept Apple going when the whole consumer and media world was 'anti-Apple' and most people here bought the products because they did meet our hopes, expectations, needs etc?
I can't imagine going to a forum where people are disaffected and then slamming and shaming them with accusations of being 'whiners' and 'first world problems' and whatever - and justifying that with the most ridiculous arguments, based on the premise that 'I'm ok, so you should be too'.
Getting fed up with it now. When I joined Macrumors, it was simply because I loved Macs and wanted to know the latest. There was no 'affiliation' or 'sides' - but now it seems like, amongst this group of posters, it is all about 'sides' - black and white. If I don't like 'x' about the 'AppleUniverse' - then it needs to be defended - even if that defense if frankly ludicrous and indfensible, inconsistent and illogical.
If you like what Apple is and has been doing recently, fine, that is 100 % up to you, but the fact that I am certainly not, does not mean that I have unrealistic expectations based on the past 20 years experience (whether you were along with that ride or not), or based on current market conditions.
The amount of stuff I've read the past few days, weeks and years from this point of view, just doesn't make sense to me rationally. One of the most clear examples relates to the lack of power cable extension in the new MBP. The response has been 'It's ok, I have some kicking around anyway'. Or for the audio jack 'I didn't use it anyway'. For the lack of 32gb ram - ' I don't use that much, why would anybody else'? It's like they take a position ( consciously, or most likely, unconsciously, and feel like they have to defend or take this position no matter what happens). If you come across one of these posts, and then see the contributions from the posters, it is likely that every single one of their posts, since they joined, will be coming from this perspective, regardless of any real world feedback or events.
I don't know what to make of this. It's making Macrumors nearly unreadable for me - because most of the time, there are rational, or emotional responses being explained by posters, based on their experiences, needs, hopes and expectations. And then these guys chip in with these responses. Do they not realise that most people here were the ones who kept Apple going when the whole consumer and media world was 'anti-Apple' and most people here bought the products because they did meet our hopes, expectations, needs etc?
I can't imagine going to a forum where people are disaffected and then slamming and shaming them with accusations of being 'whiners' and 'first world problems' and whatever - and justifying that with the most ridiculous arguments, based on the premise that 'I'm ok, so you should be too'.
Getting fed up with it now. When I joined Macrumors, it was simply because I loved Macs and wanted to know the latest. There was no 'affiliation' or 'sides' - but now it seems like, amongst this group of posters, it is all about 'sides' - black and white. If I don't like 'x' about the 'AppleUniverse' - then it needs to be defended - even if that defense if frankly ludicrous and indfensible, inconsistent and illogical.
If you like what Apple is and has been doing recently, fine, that is 100 % up to you, but the fact that I am certainly not, does not mean that I have unrealistic expectations based on the past 20 years experience (whether you were along with that ride or not), or based on current market conditions.
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You see? There's no need to write for long when you clearly express your ideas. You think anybody who needs more than the 3-year-old outdated Mac Pro shouldn't be an Apple user. I respect your opinion, but I hold the opposite position, because I do think the professional user is the key for Apple success. We could be writing endlessly, because our thoughts are opposite. But no need to continue, because we already expressed it very clearly, IMHO.
Needing something much more powerful to edit 4K raw video for high end TV spots and TV shows does NOT mean someone is "living in the dark ages". What kind of an ignorant ridiculous comment it that? We may be a niche compared to the iPhone customer base but I happen to know dozens of production companies, post houses and graphic companies not to mention universities and who knows how many boutique production companies and freelancers that need and want high end desktop computers. We may be small by comparison, but theres PLENTY of us still out there. PLENTY.
What it actually DOES mean is quite the opposite of "living in the dark ages"...many production company's like my own are using the most current, cutting edge, high end cinema cameras to acquire 4K, 5K and 6K raw video for high end commercial clients and we need more computing power to process it faster. How are we supposed to do that? On a friggin iPhone? A tablet? What are you, a comedian?
How can anyone say theres a "Post PC era"? Maybe for the majority, but there will ALWAYS be the need for high end computing power so long as cinema cameras keep changing and resolution keeps increasing. They're talking about 8K right now and within 5-7 years it's gonna hit. They have cameras that can do it already. Those 8K TV's may never make it into the average house but it doesn't matter because the production companies that shoot all that content will still be expected to capture in 8K which means we need the computing power. Thats my point.
All those high end TV shows and feature films you watch, how do you think that footage is captured and edited? On your iPhone? Trust me and the people that know what it takes to do this kind of work...a stronger computer is very necessary and I'm quite certain that Tim Cook being in the position he's in, knows that. Whether or not he CHOOSES to address our market and whether or not that market it still profitable for Apple is an entirely different conversation.
But either way, to say the people that need a stronger computer are living in the dark ages is just about the dumbest, narrow minded thing I've heard in a while. I'm sure anyone with a brain in their head would agree.
Post PC era... Lol. I love people that have no idea what they're talking about. It's entertaining if nothing else.
I think the beginning of the end of Apple and satiating the appetite of the "pros" was when they stopped making servers, hardware and software. It also used to be that the "little" machines (ipod, Iphone, ipad) had to rely on the bigger machines to keep them running (updates, syncing), but not in the last 3 or so years, and that was also another turning point. News story after news story today is talking about families that have access to not even a laptop or a desktop at their local library, yet that same family each has a smartphone with a data plan.
Since the introduction of the iPhone, and the massive profits reaped therein, Apple has a taste for mass appeal and it will never subside. There was a story about teams working on developing an HDTV all Apple, hardware and software (that was later either scrapped or more likely folded into something else they're working on). They're working on a car, and not just the navigation/entertainment system, but an entire car. Some people need a tricked out laptop or a desktop for their work needs, but MORE people might need a car. At least, Apple can charge a premium for the experience of using a car that more people can possibly use than say, being able to render 4K video on FCPX with their MBPs.
This is not to say I agree that this is what they should be doing, but blurring the lines of need/want and production vs. fashion are foremost in their minds. If they lose the "pros" in this quest, even though they will lose countless die-hard "sink with the ship" types, if it gets more phones and watches in peoples hands and wrists, then... "bye Felicia".
We see our little trees, they're seeing the entire forest.
As for MBPs, all this hardware bellyaching and have we forgotten that none of us pay for OS upgrades anymore? Apple knows where that money went, I wonder if some us have forgotten and I'm just jogging your memory...last I checked you can't run hardware without software, and we don't "pay" for software as far as the OS is concerned...that's not already baked into the cake (when you buy the machine). The code written to give that Touch Bar functionality is sure not cheap... again, I'm not saying I agree with any of this, I'm just pointing out that the experience of owning a Mac is not having only top-of-the-crop hardware, it actually never was. The integration of hardware/software has a price.
Since the introduction of the iPhone, and the massive profits reaped therein, Apple has a taste for mass appeal and it will never subside. There was a story about teams working on developing an HDTV all Apple, hardware and software (that was later either scrapped or more likely folded into something else they're working on). They're working on a car, and not just the navigation/entertainment system, but an entire car. Some people need a tricked out laptop or a desktop for their work needs, but MORE people might need a car. At least, Apple can charge a premium for the experience of using a car that more people can possibly use than say, being able to render 4K video on FCPX with their MBPs.
This is not to say I agree that this is what they should be doing, but blurring the lines of need/want and production vs. fashion are foremost in their minds. If they lose the "pros" in this quest, even though they will lose countless die-hard "sink with the ship" types, if it gets more phones and watches in peoples hands and wrists, then... "bye Felicia".
We see our little trees, they're seeing the entire forest.
As for MBPs, all this hardware bellyaching and have we forgotten that none of us pay for OS upgrades anymore? Apple knows where that money went, I wonder if some us have forgotten and I'm just jogging your memory...last I checked you can't run hardware without software, and we don't "pay" for software as far as the OS is concerned...that's not already baked into the cake (when you buy the machine). The code written to give that Touch Bar functionality is sure not cheap... again, I'm not saying I agree with any of this, I'm just pointing out that the experience of owning a Mac is not having only top-of-the-crop hardware, it actually never was. The integration of hardware/software has a price.
You betcha!
Because it isn't true? Even mass market Mac minis and iPad minis don't get updated every year. Apple isn't into building a new version of every machine every twelve months. Even iPhone buyers complain that the 7 isn't totally different from the 6S and the SE is basically another 5. If you want meaningless novelties in high frequency, then you are a Samsung customer. Apple customers be patient and have an eye on the Buyer's Guide.
No they are not. Apple will be fine with developers who only use iMacs and MacBook Pros.
VW just quit the World Rally Championship. Toyota killed its Formula 1 Team. So what?
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I can make it even clearer. Apple has no influence on progress at Intel. Their chip generations are about 18 months apart at best and that's for the mass market CPUs everyone and his mother buys. You can't force innovation and chip technology is already operating at the borders of physics. We've got to be content with what we have and stop screaming for more.
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because the cry babies on these forums are ridiculous. they exactly fall into a category of whiners and "first world problems". everyone expects apple to cater to their needs only. and when apple doesn't, blasphemy!
"i'm going to complain on the internet because apple didn't include a sd, cf, and micro-sd card reader because i'm too stupid to look at the big picture, apple's POV, and how technology is evolving"
if i was too broke to afford a new mbp, or if it didn't meet my needs, i would still be happy as f*ck and buy a dell XPS or something. seriously, #FIRSTWORLDPROBLEMS
