Can you give a couple of examples of other 15inch (year old) ultrabooks that have 32GB and Skylake?
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Those who dismiss the massive amount disappointment are kidding themselves. People have valid complaints and when Apple are the only company making OSX machines, they have to be held up to a higher standard, especially at the gold plated prices Apple charge.
You are wrong to state I am living in the past. I have needs to be met and Apple isn't doing that.
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But its more than normal and Apple should be listening.
You are right about one thing: there's no point in buying a lenovo machine, unless it's a thinkpad. Their consumer line is crap, always has been. Their premium thinkpad line's X1, thinkpad yoga and their W-line is where the goodness is. Sure, surface maxes out at 16, but it has a wow-factor and this wow-factor is actually useful for anyone into illustration or just taking notes. Apple used to have that wow-factor, the retina display and the oh so lovely osx used to be enough. Time has, however, caught up with apple and they need to shape up or ship out.
At least they should share their vision with us regarding the future of the mac and osx. Now what they're giving us is nothing.
Sounds complicated.
Why don't just add the 32GB option to the 15'' and notify the customer about battery life?
Many people use the laptops to work at office or at home were they can plug in the charger so a slight decrease in battery life is not a concern.
The Touch Bar serves two purposes:
1) It is a techie stroke-off to distract potential purchasers from the dearth of connectivity options, the loss of the extension cable, the lack of memory upgrade options, the higher price points, the deletion of MagSafe, the omission of the cleaning cloth, the extra outlay for dongles that awaits the user, the loss of the iconic light-up apple logo, and the inexcusably long wait for new "pro" hardware.
2) It serves as a blingy fishing lure to attract the starbucks emailing set. Sure, new orders are up and market share may be increasing. But marketing to the lowest common denominator always means selling to a larger less discerning segment of the user base.
Very happy with my loaded mid-2015 machine. If apple can't clean their **** up in the next few years, then see ya!
1) It is a techie stroke-off to distract potential purchasers from the dearth of connectivity options, the loss of the extension cable, the lack of memory upgrade options, the higher price points, the deletion of MagSafe, the omission of the cleaning cloth, the extra outlay for dongles that awaits the user, the loss of the iconic light-up apple logo, and the inexcusably long wait for new "pro" hardware.
2) It serves as a blingy fishing lure to attract the starbucks emailing set. Sure, new orders are up and market share may be increasing. But marketing to the lowest common denominator always means selling to a larger less discerning segment of the user base.
Very happy with my loaded mid-2015 machine. If apple can't clean their **** up in the next few years, then see ya!
There is no clear definition for a "pro" machine. One could even argue if there is a clear definition for a "pro" user. Apple's "Pro" designation is nothing but a marketing moniker. Thus they can use it as they like and deem suitable.
Like for the "pro"sumers you mention. And the "pro" users that feel the machine's sufficient for them. Even for the home user reading eMail and surfing the web, who likes e.g. the build quality or the big 15" screen on a mobile (Apple) device.
No they are not. Tried at least a dozen of the most popular laptops and their trackpads suck balls
I'm as pissed as many of you are but unless and until apple starts to lose revenue share it will keep on this track. It's clear Tim isn't interested in 'pro' just revenue/profit and share price. This is the big change at Apple (and many other businesses). There is hubris and arrogance throughout the exec team at Apple and i have learned it is hard to threaten people with these attitudes, they simply don't believe you.
The only option is to try to persuade them there is more money from what we want. Alas, I doubt there is enough extra to interest them.
The only option is to try to persuade them there is more money from what we want. Alas, I doubt there is enough extra to interest them.
You're assuming I care about Apple as a brand. That's not the case anymore (I used to, but not anymore). I care about MacOS because I chose it for doing all my work. I'm just asking Apple that if they don't care about MacOS, allow other people to continue working on it. If you only need iOS, it's not fair to shout "let me stop you right there" to people for whom iOS is absolutely useless (let me repeat this: a-b-s-o-l-u-t-e-l-y u-s-e-l-e-s-s) and who would need VR-class GPUs on MacOS.
I'll start by saying that what is say below is my opinion only.
In my opinion, one of the reason the Apple's Mac's sales grew in the last 10 years, was part dedicated to iPhone and vise versa, as you couldn't deliver and iPhone App without a Mac. If designers/developers start moving away from Mac, iPhone apps will start to dry up, and iPhone sales will start to taper off as well. this will not happen in one or two year, but over a decade.
What's laughable is that half the people complaining about not being able to include 32GB RAM are also the people who don't even need 16GB RAM to run Microsoft Office, Photoshop and Chrome. I know there are genuine exceptions to that wide generalisation, but I've spoken offline to several people in the last few days who are bitching about the new MBP not being "pro" enough, and I know exactly what they use their laptops for, and it's hilarious, it really is. It's like some kind of posturing - "I needs the most powerful computers in the world right".
isn`t it interesting? working as a freelance creative, 10 years i ago i had people of the corporate world i worked for, sitting over their Dells drooling over my iMac or Macbook. Now the picture has completely changed, every marketing person needs a macbook air, iPhone , iPad you name it.. because, IT´s SO COOL!! All the creatives they see are using it, so it must be cool. What Apple really didn’t realise was, the creatives want stuff that get the job done. Apple notebooks are great, good value over time and so on. Mac Pro… I replaced my MacPro 3.1 with a Win PC i put together myself, fast pcie ssds, ultra quite and cool 64gb Ram, several HDs, Killer GPU for the fraction of the current MacPro price. And after so many years of Mac use i was totally amazed. I left my After Effects project on friday on my MacPro, Built my PC within a couple of hours. And started fresh on Monday loading my AE Project as if nothing has ever happened, only at an unknown speed due to computing power. That totally convinced me. Next purchase was around the corner. Replace my old trustworthy iPhone 4. First thought, iPhone 6 of course, but due to my good experiences with the windows world i thought i give an Android device a go. What can i say… Amazing freedom opened up. Just the fact that i am able now to connect my samsung s7 to my macbook pro via a normal usb cable and drag and drop files (audio or whatever) to my phone without iTunes or 3rd party software purchases makes life so much easier.. (getting my a addresses, calendars over took 20 mins)n to to mention that the s7 is cheaper too. So now i am here, wanting to replace my 2012 macbook pro with a current model and i see microsoft come out with products like the surface pro i think, mmmhh Microsoft is fishing for creative users… Great Plan microsoft!! because if these creative pro users will use your products they will make these products so cool that after a while you have the people editing excel sheets on their Apple products will drool over the designers microsoft surface device as he sketches a stunning design on a fast, affordable, stylish device. What Apple obviously didn’t realize when they abandoned the creative users (i don`t even wanna start talking about Final Cut Pro now), is that, these creative users made their products cool and appealing to the main stream. Microsoft obviously jumped into that gap I have 53 mac computers in use (50 mac minis for video installations). I love their reliability but one reason i might not switch completely right now is that one of the apps i use a lot (Qlab) is mac only). … see what happens. Time will tell. But i see that keynote and think, is this the macbook pro i have been waiting for??? great for emojis and all that??? not sure apple.
As if 'other people' could take over a whole OS and maintain it. Even if Apple did stop caring about macOS, nobody else could develop it any further. When you selected macOS as your platform of choice, you've chosen the company and their frutarian priorities with it. Welcome to the golden cage!
As a developer I'm forced to use a Mac for xcode but the app store is very profitable, so as long as I get money for developing iOS apps the Mac is a good choice. Of course if prices are high I'm going to keep my Mac for more years, the latest version of macOS runs on old Mac so it is not a big deal.
But I'd say that many developers like me could move away from the Mac if the App store became less profitable. The main reason I use a Mac is Xcode, if I stop developing apps for iOS I'd be free to get back to Linux and buy less expensive laptops.
Well what he doesn't get is that creating a MacBookPro capable of supporting 32gb ram doesn't result in a portable dektop.... in fact apple (almost?) had one 5 years ago: the 2011 mbp 15 & 17. the cpu supports 2x16gb so-dimms. i currently have one with 2x 8gb ram, 2x 1tb ssd. and it has ~5hours of usable battery life. using. 5 year. old. tech.
and you know what? that 17" model is still the lightest & smallest 17" notebook around... which if it died today would be apple's saving grace as i'd go to amazon and buy the exact same used mbp 17" 2011.
there's nothing wrong with the 2016 mbp 15, it's just not pro. compared to the 2011 mbp 17 you get some things and loose other things. performance mostly stays the same. i.e. not worth $4k.
bottom line: i may be niche, but i can't believe apple no longer wants my $4k for a mbp, because that also includes no longer wanting to sell me an $1k iphone, $1k ipad pro, ipad mini, apple timecapsule, appletv & associated services! (and since i'm the familiy's it-supporter, by extension about $10k of other family member's notebooks/desktops/iphones/...)
sure there *is* a lot holding me back from switching (but these are only "soft" software factors like familiarity, privacy, backup, posix (homebrew!), etc)
fyi: using the same 2011 chassis, even a bit thinner, there's still enough space to build a sub 3kg (6lbs) pro notebook with 10h battery life using:
- E3-1545M v5 or i7-6970HQ
- 64gb (ecc) ram (2x DDR4 SO-DIMM or soldered)
- 2x 2TB SSD (2x PCIe 3.0 x4)
- GTX1070 with 8GB vram
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Yeah there's even a guy who shot a film on an iPhone. The revolution is here!
Well...fortunately "content" is not just limited to "what I see on the web". I work in post-production (sound design and film music). Wait...I can put my music on the web, that means I need an iPad Pro!!!! In the meantime I will score my next film on my 7+, that'll do it I'm sure - because that's where the future is!
People (and hopefully not Apple!) seem to forget that *a lot* of the content they see on the web and everywhere on their iPhones and iPads was not made on an iPad or a laptop! There's still a need for desktop workstations. Maybe that will change one day, but not today, and maybe not even in my (our) lifetime.
Short battery life is just a croc that Apple made up. Yes it may use slightly more power, but not to the extent that Apple is making out. Other brands have > 16GB support.
Its just the same as Apple saying no one wants more that 3.5", and how wrong they were.
Why use a made up 80/20 rule, where are you getting your facts from?
Do you really mean NetBSD, FreeBSD and OpenBSD don't exist? And GNUStep doesn't exist either? I sincerely doubt Apple would open the MacOS source code to the UNIX development community (Darwin already is, but MacOS is much more than Darwin). However, the reason isn't that 'other people' couldn't take over, but that opening MacOS would cause too many iOS details to be open too (because I guess a substantial part of the code is shared between the two), and Apple wouldn't allow to give away iOS-related code.
I don't know where you want to arrive to anyway. Are you happy with iOS? That's fine. But it's not possible to develop iOS apps from iOS, so your iOS joy depends on developers who use MacOS. So, enjoy your iOS devices, and let developers enjoy MacOS and respect the claims they do regarding the Mac. Your iOS joy depends on developers being happy with the Mac.
I think it'll shock you how soon Apple laptops with ARM processors will arrive. When they do, Apple will have native iOS developer tools ready to go.
Right. This is what I'm failing to understand. People need that much processing power probably need to wait for a Mac Pro refresh instead of complaining about Apple's choice to be more efficient with a mobile device by using the most power efficient RAM they could. A Pro with a dead battery is worse off then a Pro with slightly less RAM.
"Apple provided a bit more detail to Dan Frakes of The Wirecutter, noting that Apple elected to use LPDDR3 RAM, which is limited to 16 GB per chip, due to its performance/energy ratio. A reddit commenter notes that Intel's Skylake chips do not support the faster and more efficient LPDDR4 standard."
Oh there's no doubt about that, I know a few of them too, whinging and bitching because they can't get 32GB in their new MacBook Pros when I know for a fact their workload would be fine with 8GB of RAM. Some people just want the highest spec they can for the sake of it, they may say that it's for future proofing but with their type of work unlikely to change over the life cycle of their MacBook, they'll be lucky if they ever have a need for 16GB in its lifetime let alone anything else.
I know I've done my share of complaining here that there's no 32GB option, yet, I fully expect there to be just that very thing in next years refresh. But I'm complaining because I could definitely use 32GB or more easily. It's just the disappointment that after all this time Apple are still a bit stuck in the past. Adding the option wouldn't kill them, nor would it affect the people who don't need it.
But when all is said and done even I know that I could cope with 16GB, I'd just have to cut back on concurrent operations. I'd really rather not, I'd like to have as much flexibility as possible in my mobile device. So I either grumble a bit and buy the new MacBook Pro, because other than the memory limit I actually think it's a great system. It's a bit over priced, even by Apple standards but when you've no option but to use macOS, you don't have much choice. It's either cheaper and not good enough or more expensive and just good enough. I could abandon Apple and Apple development and switch to Windows and Android but that thought sends shivers down my spine so it's not happening
Or I bide my time and wait for the inevitable refresh when they add a 32GB option. But patience has never been my strong point, so I guess it'll be 16GB and a bit less happening at any one time, I'm sure I can live with that. I hope, after all it's only the mobility side of things, it's not as if I'll be depending on it for all of my work
I think most of us realise that. But the market for your needs is nowhere near big enough that it will command a lot of attention from Apple. From what I'm hearing from those with sources within Apple, refreshed desktops are planned for Spring next year. So those who really need the beefiest setups will probably get some love from Apple next year.
Oh please, there are many iOS developers building iOS apps using 5 year old Macs with 4GB of RAM.
Don't act like you're doing the world a favor. You make apps for iOS because either it's a hobby for you or the fact that iPhone/iPad users actually spend money on apps.