Microsoft gets a pass because the Surface Studio blew people's minds despite its 6th gen processor and the lack of upgradeability. The MacBook Pros didn't. So there you go.
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Microsoft gets a pass because the Surface Studio blew people's minds despite its 6th gen processor and the lack of upgradeability. The MacBook Pros didn't. So there you go.
anybody else see that twitter post showing exposed passwords in the touch bar? Apple Quality at its finest....
https://twitter.com/luke_dot_js/status/799271787133403136/
https://twitter.com/luke_dot_js/status/799271787133403136/
The graphics cards are nowhere close to being good enough for some aspects of iOS development and iOS generally pretty undemanding. VR and game development you can pretty much forget.
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In your opinion maybe they are not good enough. But you are wrong. The fact Apple is selling these new machines in record numbers shows professionals are very satisfied with them. And I have read countless blogs and tweets from iOS developers/macOS developers saying the specs are more than good enough for their PROFESSIONAL work.
It is an absolute nonsense to suggest Apple has suddenly decided they won't put the highest-end graphics processors in their Pro laptops. Nothing has really changed in this regard. They always go for a middle of the road option.
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If it’s true that Apple is selling these new machines in record numbers, it only shows is that someone is buying them. It says nothing about who is buying them or why. As with most Apple products, the vast majority are likely being sold to non-professionals. Furthermore, early sales numbers aren’t an indicator of customer satisfaction.
Oh the fact that you've seen some people say that they're ok on Twitter on some blog mean that they are "good enough for almost all kinds of iOS software development." as you claimed.
No I am not wrong. The fact that you think you know better than a professional developer by reading tweets and blogs is absolutely cringeworthy, even by your standards.
If you are building a simple iOS app it can be done on a three year old MacBook Air with integrated graphics but when it comes to working in applications like Maya and Unreal Engine Windows leaves OS X in the dust. Renders can be three of four times faster in Windows and if you're a professional game developer that time matters, the situation is improving on the Mac with Metal but there is still a gulf. Unreal 4 is painful on a MacBook Pro.
This is before we even get into the fact that any kind of non iOS game development isn't viable whatsoever on a Mac, yes MacBooks have always have middling graphics cards but that wouldn't be a problem had they not left the Mac Pro to rot. Now you can essentially forget any kind of high end graphics performance on OSX. Embarrassing.
The new new Playstation has a better graphics card than the new MacBook Pro
We shouldn't be surprised Apple is headed by a visionless bean counter these days. Tim Cook actually thought tablets were going to overtake personal computers by 2015. That went well..
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Yep. Also worth pointing out that the record numbers thing was nothing more that a soundbite from Apple senior VP of Worldwide marketing. No actual sales numbers were provided (Apples usual MO when sales are tanking, have we had any Apple Watch numbers yet?) and the actual claim was that they had received more online orders than any other Pro notebook. Which presumably discounts any laptop other than the MacBook Pro and is pretty unsurprising given that they where only available on their online store.
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Oh the fact that you've seen some people say that they're ok on Twitter on some blog mean that they are "good enough for almost all kinds of iOS software development." as you claimed.
No I am not wrong. The fact that you think you know better than a professional developer by reading tweets and blogs is absolutely cringeworthy, even by your standards.
I am a professional developer. But since you already discounted my opinion, I just pointed out that many others who also develop professionally using a Mac are thrilled with these new MacBook Pros.
Obviously there are some use cases where a MacBook Pro may not be suitable. But those use cases were never suited to the MacBook Pro in the first place. For things you complain about, go buy a Windows PC and be happy with that incredible rendering performance. You clearly know the performance is there for the things you need, so why would you worry about Macs that can't do what you need? You've already established the Mac isn't suited to your particular use cases, so go buy a Windows machine. Is it really that complicated?
Oh that old chestnut again.
It's not a lack of vision that really frustrates you about Tim Cook - you just don't like the direction in which Apple is moving today. I can understand the pain for those who have been loyal and committed to the Mac for many, many years - and who still need powerful systems like the Mac Pro.
This moving away from the Mac really isn't a Tim Cook thing. Steve Jobs himself spoke of the post-PC era, trucks, and was already taking Apple down this road. I have no doubt that everything that is happening today would be happening under Steve Jobs leadership. The only difference is, Steve would let you know what he thought of you if you dared question his vision - whereas Tim just takes it on the chin.
Erm no you discounted mine and anybody else who needs graphics performance by declaring that the new MacBook Pros are fine for most
Love the way you've completely glossed over the fact that Apple had abandoned the only Mac that offers higher end graphic performance by the way.
As for Cook sorry you're talking talking nonsense the Post PC era is hardly even a thing. PC sales are dying a death and tablet sales are falling at a similar rate, tablets are nowhere close to overtaking PC. It was absolutely ridiculous to suggest that they would by 2015. Anybody with any sense would have to question his judgement based on that alone.
Let's look at his record, they won't release the Apple Watch numbers but it's safe to say they aren't stellar or you wouldn't be able to shut them up about it. They couldn't get the TV service off the ground and the Car Project seems to be going the same way.
Jobs knew how to get the deal done it looks like Cook is a long way short, he can't dine out on SJs legacy forever.
Whoever wrote that article about Cook being Apples Steve Ballmer was so astute, he'all be off when they really start to lose their way.
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Yes they are fine for most. Not everyone, but most existing MBP users looking for an upgrade - or most who are looking for a new laptop. You are one of those who doesn't fall into the most category, and that is unfortunate. Apple can't make a product that is perfect for literally everyone, some will always be left out. On this occasion, you have been left out.
Anyway it's clear we disagree on the bigger points about where Apple is going and the job performance of Tim Cook. So let's leave it here.
I genuinely have my fingers crossed that Apple does have something planned that meets your needs early next year. Rene Richie and Jason Snell both seem to suggest Apple will be refreshing the desktops in spring in recent podcasts they have done.
Why market this as "professional" product? It's clearly aimed at amateurs and prosumers who want a "new laptop" as you suggest. A higher-end line with beefier GPU, 32Gb Ram, more port variety etc. and no emoji gimmicks would not dent Apples pocketbook as well as keep Professional Devs and the like away from Windows.
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Yes and by desktops they mean the iMac..
I generally take zero notice of Rene Richie has to say given his Apple apologist point of view you rarely get a balanced opinion. Although he did recently accept that the Mac Pro has been turned into a non upgradeable appliance and then abandoned. He also has no inside knowledge whatsoever his guesses as to when the new MacBook Pros were coming have been all over the map for about a year.
I don't think I would actually trust them with high end computer hardware anymore. If they updated the Mac Pro tomorrow who is to say that it wouldn't wait another three years without an update?
For anything other that lower end iOS development I'm done. I'm not expecting any update to the Mac Pro.
Professional devs are buying this machine. I am one of them. And there are many, many more. Gruber has linked to some excellent posts on Daring Fireball debunking the myth these laptops do not serve the needs of the professional market.
Those whinging about the lack of 32GB RAM option are minority of users. I understand the frustration if you do things that require heaps more RAM than 16GB, but you are a niche within a niche.
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He certainly does have contacts within Apple. He was the one who confirmed the new Apple display with integrated GPU was not coming when that rumor was doing the rounds for example.
Whether this information about spring is him guessing or based on some information he has from people at Apple I have no idea. And you are of course right, it may only mean they refresh the iMac - and kill off Mac Pro and the Mac Mini.
Of course he does along with Gruber he's practically an extension of their PR team!
I already tried the non touch bar version a while ago. I tried the touch bar version yesterday and it is nice.
My stance is still the same though. Not interested.
It's like 3D Touch on the iPhone to me. Nice, but I'd trade it for wireless charging any day.
I'd like to see solutions to problems consumers mentioned. Not a bunch of gimmicks.
My stance is still the same though. Not interested.
It's like 3D Touch on the iPhone to me. Nice, but I'd trade it for wireless charging any day.
I'd like to see solutions to problems consumers mentioned. Not a bunch of gimmicks.