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These forums have become toxic because Apple's customers are divided between two camps: those who prefer Apple the electronic device maker, and those who prefer Apple the serious computer maker. Apple has created a civil war.
Absolutely spot on. Time for new real computers for work and a new CEO.
A rather good video review of the 13” MacBook Pro.
Really puts many of the complaints in perspective. The loss of ports isn't anything people can't with, the non-spec upgrades (improved screen, speaker) are very much welcome and Final Cut Pro really makes all the difference in performance.
Really puts many of the complaints in perspective. The loss of ports isn't anything people can't with, the non-spec upgrades (improved screen, speaker) are very much welcome and Final Cut Pro really makes all the difference in performance.
Except for those who use Macs in their job and that job has nothing to do with video.
Final Cut Pro is a pretty small niche of users. It's important to him - he's a Youtube blogger. That's his use-case. That's not really worth sacrificing everything else if you're not a Youtube blogger (ie the vast bulk of users and professional users).
Plus most pros bailed on Final Cut Pro when Apple dropped the X bombshell. You know who uses Final Cut Pro now? Prosumers. The professionals went back to Avid or switched to Premiere. Sad but true.
An article about 16gb of RAM:
Can We Put the 16GB “Pro” Myth to Rest?
"Conclusion, again, is that it takes an enormous amount of work to burn up 16GB of RAM on your MacBook Pro, unless you’re running a lot of poorly written apps that hog memory, have bloatware running at startup, or possibly doing a lot of advanced, high-end video editing (which I hope to experiment with at some point)."
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Alex Lindsay doesn't agree with this assessment. I would love to see your source for this statement, though.
It wasn't an argument. It's being sick of people who have no interest in Macs telling us the age of desktop/notebook computers is over when it's not these people that ever had any interest in them. They only used them because before they had to. Now a phone is more than sufficient for this type of person and they think computers are dead. Well, I've been using computers since the Commodore Vic-20 and these types of people had ZERO interest in computers until the Internet came along (computer users were called "nerds" and other names back then; they were not "in").
If they used them, it's because they had to for work or a book report or whatever. Some of us were computer hobbyists and went to computer user groups, etc. and have always had an interest in computers themselves and the interesting things you can do with them. For us, a phone is useful, but a desktop will always have FAR more power and ease of use (full keyboards, mice, trackpads, gamepads, large monitors, etc.) and a smart phone will NEVER replace that functionality. Those that just want to text someone or update their Facbook page might be happy with a phone, but these are precisely the people that never liked computers to begin with. Computers aren't dead and never will be dead. They are simply no longer desired by people who never liked them to begin with. And these people trying to tell us something is dead when they only just discovered they were alive quite recently is the height of arrogance.
Apple is my source. If major Hollywood productions were being edited using Final Cut Pro X, Apple would be bragging about it here. They're not. Meanwhile, high profile former Final Cut users such as the Coen brothers and Walter Murch have defected to Premiere Pro. And then there is JJ Abrams. You won't find a bigger Mac fan, but his team edits with Avid.
As for Lindsay, I know that he rendered the chrome ship from the worst Star Wars movie, but I wasn't aware that he was editing major motion pictures using Final Cut Pro X.
As Lindsay said on MBW, the user base is pyramid shaped and Hollywood is at the point where the least amount of users are. (Leo brought up your exact point.).
Right, 16 GB is plenty unless you’re a pro. Good thing Apple didn’t say these MacBook Pros were for, um, “pros”. . . .
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Pros always represent a small fraction of total users. That's the whole point. Pros aren't using it. That pyramid is made up of consumers who make YouTube videos.
It's gonna get bleak when Apple drops the MacPro.
The guy that wrote the article is a pro, unless you are putting five guys in Hollywood on your list of pros and no one else is included.
So MKBHD (Brownlee) and other full time Youtubers that are using Final Cut aren't pro? Interesting.
I don't know this guy, but he should stick to his funky bass guitar instead of making an ass out of himself. So he opens Firefox to run one tab. Consequently it uses 270MB RAM. And he is too blasé to run Chrome, because it *drumroll* uses too much RAM for his narrative. Over at reddit, even /r/apple is poking fun at his errors and lack of understanding.
Doing web development among other software development, I have to use Chrome parallel to FF and Safari (OK, no one cares about Safari, but I try to be nice) to do my work. FF alone eats 3GB RAM of my 16GB, Eclipse another 2GB, Chrome 1GB, the Windows VM 2GB, the Linux VM where an application server and a database is running is using 5 and would profit from more. The small stuff like mail, hangouts, telegram, Office, iTunes, Virtual Desktop, Screen Sharing aren't even factored in.
I bought this MBP in 2012 because the 8GB ceiling of the one before didn't really work any more. Now I am bumping against the 16GB - I could continue working like that, but it's a sad joke I am asked to shell out 3K for a machine that constrains me from day 1. That would be fine for 1200 EUR, but the pricing combined with the fact Apple is not able to up the RAM ceiling in 5 years is a sad joke (I think they even had a 32GB MBP back then).
You can see how desperate this dongle-head is: "Solid state storage has a number of other obvious benefits, and quite frankly, I’d rather have an SSD and 16GB RAM limit over 64GB and a spinning platter disk any day." - yeah, because Lenovo doesn't sell SSDs for their laptops. Or Dell, or HP.
And regarding his idea that everyone with the need for more than 16GB should buy a Mac Pro: he has to be out of his mind. I need a laptop. Am I going to buy a laptop AND a desktop for 7-8K EUR or am I going to buy a Dell with 32GB for 2,500? I don't even have to switch to Windows, that thing runs Linux just fine.
It's sad that fanboys believe everyone needs an iPad Pro and a prosumer-class laptop and everyone else is just too dumb to see the light. Meanwhile, those with technical knowledge are busy evaluating their options and looking for alternatives, and condescending **** like this article only makes them look harder.
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The 'pro' side of things, wells probably winding this back.
no,,, Your just saying that... The real Apple users give others a choice to make, not tell them what they need since they have no idea... Only *you* know that when u buy something. Advice is always good to, but its still "just a pinch of salt" since i while ts still only based on what others like and use, therefore you will like it too..
Well... maybie, but maybe not
no,,, Your just saying that... The real Apple users give others a choice to make, not tell them what they need since they have no idea... Only *you* know that when u buy something. Advice is always good to, but its still "just a pinch of salt" since i while ts still only based on what others like and use, therefore you will like it too..
Well... maybie, but maybe not
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I think he is saying that the norm is that most people won't need more than 16gb. There are always outliers running all kinds of programs that rip through memory. Though, I am not here to defend his point, just here to show what he claims he did and let people decide for themselves whether 16gb is really a major limitation for their normal use case. (His website has an about me section for those looking for "who he is").
Even ZDnet was recommending 8gb of RAM for most users while saying "a computer that stores massive databases, virtual machines, and other huge things in memory, even 32GB of RAM may not be enough". So is Apple supposed to make a laptop that has more than 32GB of RAM for these people?
I think the question is whether Apple should make a laptop that weighs more and has less battery life to feed the fringes. Maybe they should, but they obviously think that the majority of people buying the MacBook Pro appreciate a combination of battery power and light weight. The problem is that they make so few laptops that the MBP line has to feed anyone that wants a bigger screen with more power. Once they clear that hurdle, then they have to figure out the other tradeoffs. With their resources, they could make a laptop to feed the fringes, but they don't, so they need a well rounded machine that is appealing to everyone else.
Personally, 13 inch screens are not appealing to me because I like a larger screen for running Excel, Photoshop and Final Cut. I also want decent battery power and light weight since I use it on the couch half the time. If they made the weight and battery choices to make the heavy pro users happy, they would lose my business. That is the issue they have until they make more than one body with a 15inch display.
I don't really understand all of his grievances. I am a Graphic Designer who currently owns the 2013-14-ish version of the high-end 15-inch Pro Retina. I can understand that some people would use more that 16GB of RAM (I don't believe that I do very often, even when doing video editing), but other than that, the new i7 is more powerful than mine, and it also includes the thunderbolt/USB-C ports to further the progression of the new standard. If you need more power than what the MacBook Pro has to offer, wouldn't you NEED a Mac Pro or other Work Station?
I do admit that the price inflation is extremely high though. I bought the 512GB 15 inch Retina over 2 years ago, and while that was worth about AUD$3000 back then (still quite expensive but it was what I needed), it is now AUD$4200!!!!! Ain't nobody got time for that.
I do admit that the price inflation is extremely high though. I bought the 512GB 15 inch Retina over 2 years ago, and while that was worth about AUD$3000 back then (still quite expensive but it was what I needed), it is now AUD$4200!!!!! Ain't nobody got time for that.
lets not use youtube as a source please. Getting paid a not consistent basis for being pro. My joke here is google biz markie singing "just a friend". I have heard the same quality of singing in a karaoke bar from people who had a few (possibly too many lol). Inb4 rap hater, I like some rap. I prefer if that big bad rapper who fears no man with a 9 mm....fears the man with a metronome who says sing in time to this well or you don't get paid lol.
many popular tube channels out there my son watches are god awful. Content and vid wise. For some reason they get hits. Youtube a strange beast. I watch lesser known gaming channels and leave amazed. They should be the ones with 2 millions subs and hits galore. Then I see the crap my son watches that have millions of hits and go....wtf is this crap. this...this gets the hits for odd and sad reasons.
Their game record vids are nice usually...but with stuff like elgato recorders and others you can't mess this up. I have one, I know as I have not messed this up for my son's channel. Its their picture in picture overlays things go awry sometimes audio as well. gaming giant giving you decent money per some thousands of hits (EA pays very well I hear, not sure about others)....splurge for a noise removal plugin for your higher iso indoor shots. I should not see snow falling in your house in the middle of July. Nor even in January lol. Is that dslr AGC hiss I hear....juicedlink (and others) have nice cheapish systems to solve this.
Not doing picture in picture overlay? this gets even easier. Elgato gets off good footage no editing required most times imo. have done that when lazy for my son's channel. Thing is...I am not paid by EA so can be lazy. If paid...yeah...I'd fix this more zealousy.
If your job works better with FCP or just involves moving obnoxiously large files, you'll find this offering to be great...
Do you not understand that designing a single laptop for a vast quantity of different usage scenarios is going to involve tradeoffs? It's not as simple as "offering" 32GB of RAM, the motherboard and chipset have to be designed to handle it, while maintaining the rest of the specs to desired parameters. They're not going to build a Mac with a different motherboard/chipset just to accommodate the 0.01% of users that actually need more than 16GB of RAM. There just aren't enough people like you to justify Apple focusing on this kind of thing.
YouTubers, including full-time YouTubers (just saying that makes me chuckle), have simplistic needs, and Lindsay isn't editing huge, motion-picture scale projects.
My point is that Final Cut Pro X isn't suitable for editors doing huge projects for big money. The software gets a lot of things wrong for these guys because Apple ripped it apart and put it back together with prosumers rather than professionals in mind. It's poorly suited for large productions. Otherwise, guys like the Coen brothers and Walter Murch would still be using it.
But by all means spend a few hours scouring the Internet for the one or two examples out there of FinalCut Pro X having been used on large projects. There are always people willing to suffer for their favorite tool, no matter how ill-suited it might be.
That is a matter of opinion. Clearly, a lot of other Apple customers disagree with Apple's direction under Tim Cook. I don't need a gimmicky toy - I want a new Mac Pro with some grunt.
Sad you feel like that. Some of us have been with Apple probably longer than some here have been alive.
The reason the mac platform took off wasn't because it was glitzy, wasn't' because it looked nice in the pocket. IT WAS BECAUSE IT DID MORE THAN ANY OTHER COMPUTER AND DID IT EASILY.
Sadly I agree Tim Cook has no idea of how Apple's culture started and how it was that culture that made the success Apple is today, but that success today will not last long if Apple carries on towards the glitz rather than functionality.
I was lucky enough to know Steve, and some of the other crew, and their passion was to make things that worked the best, and were the most productive they could be and were instrumental in taking out the mystery from the computer, which allowed graphics professionals to even exist.
They have though lost their way big time.
Every software upgrade used to be to address problems and increase usability, now we have updates that just look pretty, and that simply does not cut it with the professional market, and what's more it should not be acceptable to the general public either.
Look at the fusion drives and hard drives? They can do much better, and some of the HD used are just far too slow.
Of course they need to cater for the mass market, but they should not forget where their real success came from.....innovation, not glitz, functionality, not confusion over what connector is used to keep compatibility.