The only reason the new MacBook Pro doesn't allow more than 16gb's of ram is because they went with ddr3 ram and because it got them more profit because ddr4 ram is more expensive and they weren't willing to give up what is probably 10 dollars per unit wholesale.
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Great article.
Apple does not give rats a$$ about peoples opinions, wants needs or however you want to spin it.
4 Years of nothing and then this ! As of the writing of this the 13" MBA and 15" MBP refurbish are sold out and probably will continue to be until people either settle on the fact there getting screwed on an over priced computer dongles not included. Or you wait a year for the new to become the old in the refurbished area. I'd wager as soon as these new overpriced POS are in full swing for supply that they'll pull the older model out. There's also an article / post about new MacBooks coming out soon and they'll pull the MBA from the site also. I'd love a 15" and waited for this new update but it's not worth it to me for what programming I do at current.
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See, I know a former computer manufacturer that had the slogan "something something for the rest of us". They weren't catering to the majority of users who basically needed electronic typewriters, but the content creators, scientists and other "fringe" groups. That company is now chasing the "bling" crowd with overpriced phones and checkbox items like "thinnest laptop".
I'd rather have the old company back, even if it always had kind of a shaky foundation. But as things are, one of the richest companies in the world has reduced their laptop lineup to three machines, and none is suitable for the high-end users. None is pushing the envelope except for thinness. None is appealing to Geeks. The Elves leave Middle Earth when accounting takes over companies but likewise when supply chain and marketing takes over.
You know, there's a fitting quote:
“Here's to the crazy ones. The misfits. The rebels. The troublemakers. The round pegs in the square holes. The ones who see things differently. They're not fond of rules. And they have no respect for the status quo. You can quote them, disagree with them, glorify or vilify them. About the only thing you can't do is ignore them. Because they change things. They push the human race forward. And while some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius. Because the people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world, are the ones who do.”
As far as I know ddr4 is less powerhungry than the older ddr3 and intell has plenty of 16gb+ options available, Apple just decided to go with both older memory and logicboard
Older logic board? You'd think after 45 pages you'd at least bother to understand the technical difference between DDR4/DDR3 and LPDDR4/LPDDR3 and their power draws, along with their support within the Skylake architecture.
Funny, I don't see anything about 32GB of RAM in there.
Most of human history and the people pushing forward the human race did it without 32Gbs of RAM.
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You aren't saying anything other than what Lindsay acknowledged already. However, his point was that Final Cut was as popular as ever because it is used by a lot of people that aren't in the point of the pyramid, which is where the Coen brothers reside. His comments on this issue are on the current MacBreak Weekly program if you want to check it out.
If your point is that Hollywood uses something other than Final Cut, I will take your word for it. It is simply a very small and shrinking part of the overall professional video production market.
Or without Apple. But yeah, try to defend Apple's turn away from pushing the performance envelope and towards lukewarm performance with lipstick. Good luck with the new bling-bling Apple
Well therein lies the problem. Why is Apple, one of the richest tech companies on the planet only designing ONE laptop??? One can pretend that they can't hire more people to do Metal API or whatever nonsense I've seen in other threads, but it's a freaking SIMPLE matter to put out hardware updates and you don't need Jony Ive to do it, particularly for more run of the mill stuff like say an update to the Mac Pro (Where the hell is it? Oh yeah, Apple doesn't give a crap).
There is simply NO REASON WHAT-SO-EVER OR EXCUSE for Apple to not offer something like PRO level workstation computers. Bring back the old Mac Pro case (or update it; it's just a god damn case after all) and put a regular full size motherboard in there with Apple's little chipset dongle that prevents OS X from installing on any every day PC) and you can have whatever a Pro NEEDS (as opposed to what Apple feels like selling at 3x what it should cost to make obscene profit levels). That computer could have 512GB of ram if you wanted. It's just not an issue with a desktop and there are plenty of standard motherboards out there Apple could use with very little modification at almost no cost (relative to their insane wealth).
Something similar could be done with a larger sized notebook that an ACTUAL PROFESSIONAL might want. More space = easier to design professional level notebook. Apple's problem is that they keep trying to design the world's thinnest computer for some BIZARRE UNKNOWN REASON. Who the hell needs it thinner than it already is? WTF is Apple's OBSESSION with THIN? Steve's dead. Thin and gaunt should be over. We used to be able to buy "POWER Macs" and POWER is what PROS need. And I don't mean a 3-year old outdated Mac Pro (selling at its introduction price with no price drops what-so-ever even though 3 years is an ETERNITY in computer years) with an ancient GPU that can't run even the lowest level VR.
The POINT is that Apple has ZERO interest in catering to actual professionals and haven't for a LONG LONG time (certainly since Steve died, but a few years before, IMO). They just ditched the video editing market. The kicked it to the curb when they put out an unready Final Cut Pro X. NO ONE of any consequence (read professional not home user editing local videos) uses it anymore. Music production is about the only professional area left for the Mac and I'm SHOCKED that Apple hasn't killed Logic Pro off the same way they did Final Cut Pro yet.
Apple is a high priced TOY MAKER these days starting with their overpriced underpowered phones. When I can buy a phone that has 80% of the ability of an iPhone 6 for $40 (Lumia 640) and can be expanded to over 256GB for $100, I know Apple has become a niche market for spoiled rich people that refuse to admit Apple is incompetent. I don't enjoy saying that. I use OS X because it's not a key logging spyware OS and it used to be the best made commercial OS on the planet (save it always lagged in the GPU/OpenGL department).
Apple absolutely COULD offer a real desktop with a real GPU in it and keep Metal up-to-date, etc., but they don't see that as their market. They see their market as spoiled rich people and rich people wannabes that will pay a premium to say they own an Apple product. That market demands niche features (super thin and the latest bus standard and/or CPU but with horrible graphics because that might require noisy cooling and/or a slightly thicker case) and "ooh" sparkly things like that new touchpad that might just crash on its own separate from the OS (seeing it's running a separate OS within an OS, a modified Apple Watch OS).
None of those things help in the areas that professionals actually need, like a user configurable machine with the amount of ram and hard drive space they NEED, not what Apple feels like offering. Ironically, price isn't the real issue for most professionals since they typically make a lot of money with the machine so they need what works. The Mac Pro, for example doesn't suck because a top configured model costs over ten grand. It sucks because no amount of money will get it a better graphics card. No amount of money will get it updated to Thunderbolt III (sad the "flagship" almost always lags behind the notebook these days). And adding any PCI type cards means dragging around external cases and loads of wires that make it anything but a "neat" setup. It's painful to realize Apple CANNOT COMPREHEND THAT and apparently doesn't WANT to comprehend it.
Apple lives in their own little world that having the most profitable phone allows them to live in. When you're making money, who cares if you lost all the pro and niche markets? You've only got to sell lots of "pretend" computers to people with more dollars than sense.
You have no idea what you're talking about. 3rd party companies that make 1/50,000 what Apple makes can manage 25 motherboard designs and 100 cases and you think Apple "can't" do it for some logical reason? No Apple doesn't WANT to do it because they have it in their mind that their computers need all look and behave more or less the same even if they're totally behind everyone else.
Apple's is on borrowed time at this stage, IMO. Even enamored fanatics eventually get sick of getting ripped off sooner or later.....
That's about as intelligent of a statement as Bill Gates' comment long ago that 640K of ram should be enough for anybody..... In other words, at no point in human history until now was there a NEED for 32GB of RAM, but times change (apparently faster than some people can).
Do you not understand that every other PC manufacture other then Apple has no problem designing more than one laptop at a time for a vast quantity of different usage scenarios and doesn't have to have tradeoffs? And some how magically makes it simple to "offer" 32GB of RAM, the motherboard and chipset are already pretty much designed to handle it, while maintaining the rest of the specs desired parameters. They are not going to build a PC with a different motherboard/chipset just to accommodate the 99.9% of users that actually need more than 16GB of RAM. (Because they have multiple models of computers so people can have options) There just aren't enough people like you to justify every other PC maker focusing on this kind of thing.
Apple opted for an old processor and old ram, they are large enough to time things right push manufacturers and they decided to focus on price instead of performance.
Their iphone chipset is a great performer, but that is the exception rather than the rule amongst apple products for some time now.
Show me a newer process that Apple could have used. Go ahead. Where's the one from Intel that has the right TDP? Oh yea, they haven't released the damn thing yet.
So in the same week, Microsoft releases a non-upgradeable Surface Studio with a 6th gen processor and the Tech worked collectively fawns over it. Apple releases a MBP with a 6th gen processor and appropriately paired ram and we get the crybabies all over the web.
I honestly don't get it.
You're right, I really don't get why people don't buy the damn tool they need and instead bitch endlessly online about Apple like it's a family member that no longer wants to speak with them.You've got one thing right there, the bit about you not getting it.
We get it, some people need to do crazy complex modeling (on a laptop for some reason) or other tasks that just 5 years ago weren't even possible on a laptop of any type given the specs they are demanding as "minimums" to get by.
My question is if it's so damn important to your professional life, expense the tools you need to do your job even if it's a tax write-off for the self employed and call it a day. If the absolute latest and greatest is what you need at a minimum to do your job, buy the tools and get over your allegiance to system X or Y.
This ever so much. A Pro should be able to get his work done on Windows or - depending on the field - Linux. If the producer of your tools switches to being a toy company because that's where the profits are, you better stop bitching and adopt a new toolset.
There's a difference between being able to switch platforms because you have to and WANTING to switch platforms because you prefer Windoze or Crapix. That is why people are upset. They can and will switch platforms because they have no other choice. Yeah, they will probably have to buy their software packages all over again, but you have to do what you have to do. That doesn't mean you have to like it and hence the whining on here. Some of us don't use OS X professionally and that is even worse being forced to switch since we don't make money on the platform, buying all our software all over again hurts more and putting up with garbage like Windows spying on us is inane and awful and hence more whining. I'm sorry that doesn't compute with you.
Yeah lol, because LpDDR4 was designed to be used in cellphones!
there is significant powersavings in going from LpDDR3 to LpDDR4 in a cellphone, and from DDR3 to DDR4 in a laptop, but LpDDR3 draws like nothing in a laptop environment (the problem is mainly from standby draw, which is a cellphone problem magnitudes more than a laptop problem)
Going to DDR4 is simply the right move with skylake, and even if it was possible to use LpDDR4 instead the advantage (in a laptop) would be negligible.
That Apple decided to construct their "pro" laptop as if it was a cellphone is Apple's decision, and it's the reason a lot of users feel like they are getting treated badly.
The expense in hardware for the home user in jumping platforms is considerable, but for professional users the expense in having to switch platforms in retraining, software and general business confusion can be atrocious!
Apple's promise when most of us bought into this ecosystem was that them owning the entire tech stack would mean that they will provide unique service and compatibility. Turns out that was a sham and your microsoft surface studio is the perfect example, it looks to be tailored to designers perfectly, and if you're not a designer you're ok too, because you have literally 1000's of other options!!!!!!
But why is it not the end of the world that the Studio is non user upgradable, when you get unbelievable anger here in the Mac community? I don't get how if it's disqualifying for the Mac, its somehow ok for MS's new computer?
Because MS is providing a great product for a niche consumer category, meanwhile they STILL provide GREAT service to all other consumers, if need 64 GB on windows or whatever else I can get that no problem!
Apple on the other hand is designing their PRO laptop as if it was a cellphone and then they simply do not provide ANY alternatives to all of us that bought into their....story.
And the whole Apple dongle situation at work is just a recipe for uncontrollable office rage, the IT department puts them everywhere with anti theft wires hooked up to them, not because their expensive - the cost is nothing in the big picture, but because people accidentally put them into their bag, and then scratch their names into them.
The problem is Apple promised us service and functionality but 5 years later and we are locked in and they use that to take away upgrade options and feed us cellphoned laptops, and scam us for dongles.
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The same kind of ignorant ridiculous statement that Timmy made about how great the iPad is and in another forum I responded with this:
That's a pretty fair video review of the base model. Its also a good reply to complaints about cost vs. value over a last-gen MBAir. But his his biggest complaint is the name? In a world where the competition names computers UHF13-NewAge-scxfp <-- literary license.
http://mobilesyrup.com/2016/11/15/heres-what-living-the-usb-c-dongle-life-is-like/
DERP!
"Nilay Patel over at The Verge has reported that plugging a DisplayPort monitor into a USB-C to Thunderbolt adapter doesn’t always work as you may think. Thunderbolt 1 and 2 use the same connector as Mini DisplayPort, but Patel’s adapter didn’t support DisplayPort and instead, just Thunderbolt. If the above two sentences sound confusing, you aren’t alone. The entire issue is difficult for almost anyone to wrap their head around.
Another example is the fact that the USB-C cable included in the MacBook Pro for charging purposes doesn’t work as a display connector. In addition, different ports on the new MacBook Pro also offer various throughput (this situation is complicated, so check out this story in Apple Insider if you’re interested).
In the end, navigating the complicated waters of USB-C is a chore right now, and consumers willing to deal with this mess will experience difficulties. On the bright side, Apple has lowered the cost of its USB-C adapters in Canada, though it likely would have been a good idea for the company to include some sort of hub for free in the Pro’s box in the first place.
USB-C is most certainly the future, the issue is that the future just isn’t here yet."
DERP!
"Nilay Patel over at The Verge has reported that plugging a DisplayPort monitor into a USB-C to Thunderbolt adapter doesn’t always work as you may think. Thunderbolt 1 and 2 use the same connector as Mini DisplayPort, but Patel’s adapter didn’t support DisplayPort and instead, just Thunderbolt. If the above two sentences sound confusing, you aren’t alone. The entire issue is difficult for almost anyone to wrap their head around.
Another example is the fact that the USB-C cable included in the MacBook Pro for charging purposes doesn’t work as a display connector. In addition, different ports on the new MacBook Pro also offer various throughput (this situation is complicated, so check out this story in Apple Insider if you’re interested).
In the end, navigating the complicated waters of USB-C is a chore right now, and consumers willing to deal with this mess will experience difficulties. On the bright side, Apple has lowered the cost of its USB-C adapters in Canada, though it likely would have been a good idea for the company to include some sort of hub for free in the Pro’s box in the first place.
USB-C is most certainly the future, the issue is that the future just isn’t here yet."
Its the same logic that a slight decrease in thickness and footprint are objectionable. However bezel thinness is super important? Do you still not see their logic? [irony]
This is why I come here. Call the MR community what you want, but when things get suspect at Cupertino, our collective voice actually registers on the Apple radar.
You would hope.
Market forces is right. I'm starting to see Apple's Touch Bar turn as the natural evolution of a solely money led operation that's lost sight of its form/function design principles.. There will be collateral damage.
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