Wow it's amazing,what he is saying is exactly what Apple is doing now.
Thanks for posting,everyone should watch this video.
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Wow it's amazing,what he is saying is exactly what Apple is doing now.
Thanks for posting,everyone should watch this video.
Watching the Keynote I got increasingly annoyed at "the thinness" (rather than thickness) being mentioned as a major attribute to each laptop shown. I'm more than happy with the dimensions and weight of my 2013 rMBP and would definitely miss the ports they've decided to drop at the expense of "thinness"!
Also you could hear a pin drop in the auditorium when the prices were announced.
Also you could hear a pin drop in the auditorium when the prices were announced.
The guy in the coffeeshop writing their new novel as depicted in a typical image of a Macbook user is fine with the base line models so who would be interested in the the more powerful ones? That's right, the creatives, dev ops, programmers, data analysts...basically everyone who has needs for lots of CPU/GPU horsepower, memory and disk space. Anybody who uses virtual machines needs lots of RAM and a beefy CPU. Graphics/3D/video software is using GPU to render more and more.
I would not be surprised if more of these people would be willing to move to more powerful Windows or Linux machines. PC manufacturers have also generally caught up with Apple when it comes to the hardware design though the trackpad is still a bit better. Personally as a web developer I might consider a Surface Pro for my next machine because I have little need for lugging around a laptop which I will generally connect to an external display, keyboard and mouse. There is literally nothing in the new MBP that I feel is worth an upgrade over my current one.
I would not be surprised if more of these people would be willing to move to more powerful Windows or Linux machines. PC manufacturers have also generally caught up with Apple when it comes to the hardware design though the trackpad is still a bit better. Personally as a web developer I might consider a Surface Pro for my next machine because I have little need for lugging around a laptop which I will generally connect to an external display, keyboard and mouse. There is literally nothing in the new MBP that I feel is worth an upgrade over my current one.
Well I like the new Macbook Pro a lot. I like the balance between weight / thickness, performance and battery life. The only thing that would be nice is 32GB for my virtual machines. But I understand the reason. Kaby Lake will have 32GB. However SSD has become very fast and will jump in when not enough memory.
The fact that so many complain about the SD card slot I really don't get. The specification for SD is almost 18 years old. Why keep this fossil alive? Maybe buy a USB-C to SD stick? I like that Apple sets new standards, and I also like that all conservative users always complain about progress and innovation.
The fact that so many complain about the SD card slot I really don't get. The specification for SD is almost 18 years old. Why keep this fossil alive? Maybe buy a USB-C to SD stick? I like that Apple sets new standards, and I also like that all conservative users always complain about progress and innovation.
I never thought I would see the day when MacRumors actually accepts what we've been trying to tell them.
People seem to forget A LOT on these forums and in the world in general. I wish someone made a document or some type of graph that showed all of the things that went down while Steve was alive and then they'd realize "wow, so Apple isn't that much different now after all."
Exactly. Why the temper tantrum now? And for people complaining about the iMac...if they had updated it for TB3 and then 3-4 months later updated it with kaby lake wouldn't people be complaining about that too? Jason Snell says he thinks Apple tried to skip a generation and got bit by delays from Intel.
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Not just Tim, but Phil, Joni and Eddy look like complete ignorant ghosts that live in another world.
They genuinely think that everything they create is great because it is Apple and they are great because they are Apple.
In fact they are a couple of misaligned borderliners (the above is close to the definition of borderline syndrome)
I felt so sad seeing grown up people self-fulfilled with something as archaic (and badly implemented) as TouchBar, completely disconnected from their customers that are eager for some serious stuff.
Just appalling.
Not just Tim, but Phil, Joni and Eddy look like complete ignorant ghosts that live in another world.
They genuinely think that everything they create is great because it is Apple and they are great because they are Apple.
In fact they are a couple of misaligned borderliners (the above is close to the definition of borderline syndrome)
I felt so sad seeing grown up people self-fulfilled with something as archaic (and badly implemented) as TouchBar, completely disconnected from their customers that are eager for some serious stuff.
Just appalling.
Curious why you not looking the air or macbook for portability? I guess they're more than sufficient for coding or programing. For those who use Photoshop or movie editing software, what are their options now for something that is portable? Trust me there are lots of folks in that category
32 GB of RAM in the real market costs far less than the 8GB of RAM asked by Apple.
Interesting that you consider the Surface Book to be a 'laptop' rather what it is which is a convertible tablet.
Almost every professional user is part of a minority, but together they add up to quite a significant number.
Photographers that regularly swap SD cards are not happy that connecting a dongle (and make sure you never forget to take it with you) is now part of their workflow.
People working with Linux/Unix/networking using *nix editors that require escape and function keys find that only the low end 13 inch model has a useful keyboard.
People with workloads that require more and more data - whether that be virtualization or Full Frame DSLR video editing - these users are not happy that not only is there no 32GB option, but there is also no update to the Mac Pro desktop.
I'm sure there are plenty of others that wanted something more than just more thinness and an Emoji Bar.
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Maybe the 32gb complainers should read up on why the MacBooks have no 32gb option:
"The quad-core Kaby Lake processor still having not seen the light of day has caused other problems that are being attributed to Apple, and not as having been foisted upon the company by Intel. For low power consumption, Skylake only supports LPDDR3, which is limited to 16 gigabytes.
LPDDR4 will not be supported in MacBook Pro-bound Kaby Lake quad-core processors until possibly the end of 2017, and perhaps later."
"The quad-core Kaby Lake processor still having not seen the light of day has caused other problems that are being attributed to Apple, and not as having been foisted upon the company by Intel. For low power consumption, Skylake only supports LPDDR3, which is limited to 16 gigabytes.
LPDDR4 will not be supported in MacBook Pro-bound Kaby Lake quad-core processors until possibly the end of 2017, and perhaps later."
The problem is that then you are asking Apple to use two different motherboards, one for lpddr3 ram, the other for ddr4 ram. Apple is not going to further fragment their manufacturing line just for this small group of users, even if it's a BTO option.
There is no having your cake and eating it too. Either everyone gets lpddr3 ram (in which case they are limited to a max of 16 gb of ram, which may affect like 10-20% of users?), or everyone gets ddr4 ram (in which case the small segment of users who want 32 gb of ram get their wish, but then everyone suffers from subpar battery life, regardless of whether they need more than 16 gb of ram or not).
And you are not looking at just 1 hour less of battery life, but potentially much more.
Apple has made their call. The needs of the many simply outweighed the needs of the few.
Great clip. It's as though he's talking about Cook.
People should read through the comments when Apple announced the unibody MBPs in 2008. Not much different than what we see today.
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/apple-announces-new-aluminum-macbooks.580479/
To do what? Use a fast protocol to read a slower protocol which makes no difference in terms of speed?
If you are a photographer you do care about the SD card slot, and quite a lot.
No chance. The average consumer LOVES the new computers. Even some professionals do. Not all obviously, but many people are interested in the new computers.
Also, Apple has such a huge following and so many loyal users that a lot of people won't be phased by the price tag or lack of ports. People trust Apple and love having the newest technology and believe that Apple is the future and knows what they're doing.
Show me the desktop solution. Cook showed two workspaces, a mobile one, and an office with multiple LG monitors and a MacBook Pro hooked up to everything. Considering that the iMac and Mac Pro were ignored last week, this seems to imply that the MacBook Pro is THE solution they are offering everyone. It doesn't cut it for those in the two groups above.
They should have at least mentioned desktops, or presented a complete refresh of the Mac lineup. We are worried that they did...
Considering the pricing Apple has placed on the new MacBook Pros what market is it aimed at if it's not the professional power user? It's hardly aimed at the consumer....
Who knows how useful the touch bar is. I'm guessing you've not used it. Only time will tell. Surely you could at least try one for a while before whining about whether or not you may or may not get bored with it.
Ultimately function keys are pretty old fashioned, so why not try something different?
As for underpowered, I've never really had any power issues with my current MacBook Pro. I've seen it get a bit slow from time to time, but that usually happens after I go a very long time without rebooting it. That said, back in the day if I had gone more than 24 hours without rebooting, my PCs would have a fit. Now I feel bad if I have to reboot twice a month.
Further, I don't think it is fair to compare Apple specs to a PC. A PC, by nature, is running a very inefficient OS that has been designed not for speed, but to be compatible with millions of combinations of hardware and manufacturer. Whereas MacOS needs only power Macs made by Apple. No way that needs to run as much code to accomplish the same thing.
IMHO - the no touch bar model should have been the same price as the old model. For the touchbar model - hmmm, realisically I would think $150-$200 premium would be all I would pay for that (and mostly I'd be paying for the other spec bumps not the touch bar itself)
As a pro user who wanted to buy a new MPB this month, I was disappointed. There are a couple aspects of the new MBP that look great to me: better screen and a larger touch pad. But, the performance gains aren't enough to warrant upgrading (not to mention paltry amounts of RAM and crappy GPUs). I'm afraid that Apple thinks MBP customers are the same as iPhone customers: add a couple new features, maybe even ditch widely used ports in the name of progress and "courage", and people will flock to the store to buy them.
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If the MBP/MBA were a niche product, they wouldn't be what almost every college freshman buys. Only in Tim Cook's world where he's trying to make Steve Jobs' vision of the iPad work is the Mac in a niche product. Jobs would have realized his own mistake; Tim Cook either never really got consumer tech to begin with or holds such a hagiographical view of Jobs that he's unwilling to change course.