The problem then comes when the lesson Apple learns is different from the lesson you want Apple to learn.
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The problem then comes when the lesson Apple learns is different from the lesson you want Apple to learn.
Yeah people who haven't spent one second with these machines throwing a temper tantrum saying they're not going to buy. As far as I know Apple has never offered 32GB RAM option with the MBP before, when the machine was thicker and heavier than it is now. Why are we getting these temper tantrums now?
"It has seemed clear for a while that the CEO doesn't really understand the Mac, or simply doesn't like it that much, and that's a problem for those of us who do."
This is key, and such a sad, sad, reality.
This is key, and such a sad, sad, reality.
Apple have lost touch - and vision. Thinner and lighter is their target, and everything else gets compromised.
The price hikes are insane.
Laptops are still heavily used - businesses tend to buy laptops rather than desktops. Consumers tend to buy laptops over desktops.
It would be easy for Apple to offer 32gb. Make it optional upgrade.
Poor GPUs.. again.
I don't care about the USB C ports - it's the future. However, the power takes one of them. Down to threee. The SSD card reader is gone.
BTO ram and ssd are both excessively expensive , again.
The criticisms as
referenced in the story are very valid. I doubt wether apple are listening much though.
Comparing these laptops against competitors make them look very poor value.
Having said that - the touch bar looks like it has some potential.
The force touch - although not new hasn't really been picked up by 3rd party developers and still under utilized by Apple too.
The price hikes are insane.
Laptops are still heavily used - businesses tend to buy laptops rather than desktops. Consumers tend to buy laptops over desktops.
It would be easy for Apple to offer 32gb. Make it optional upgrade.
Poor GPUs.. again.
I don't care about the USB C ports - it's the future. However, the power takes one of them. Down to threee. The SSD card reader is gone.
BTO ram and ssd are both excessively expensive , again.
The criticisms as
referenced in the story are very valid. I doubt wether apple are listening much though.
Comparing these laptops against competitors make them look very poor value.
Having said that - the touch bar looks like it has some potential.
The force touch - although not new hasn't really been picked up by 3rd party developers and still under utilized by Apple too.
As it's one of the most successful companies in the world, and has the money and resources to devote to whatever it wants to, i refuse to buy that. In a small company of four people, yes it is ok to put the focus on the most successful and most important project. But Apple could very easily devote an entire team to developing the Mac Mini alone and it would be a drop in the ocean when it came to their expenditure. Yet if a Mac Mini was loved and maintained and constantly innovated, heaven forfend it might actually be a successful product. They have no excuse. If it's the case that they really don't want to be developing these products anymore, then just drop it. As Apple is so secretive, it's insulting to their customer base to string them along for so long as people's jobs and livelihoods depend on these products. In the case of the Mac Pro especially, a 3 year gap between updates is pathetic really.
You mean the same people posting the same stuff and the same Steve Jobs videos under every Macrumors article? That vocal majority?
It seems everyone is pretty much only complaining about the RAM capacity. I have a Mid 2015 15" MBP, and run multiple VMs at once which is quite memory intensive and the laptop is still snappy. Also, for you video and audiophiles, it's all about processing vs memory. I also heavily use Pro Tools and Final Cut Pro, so really what the hell are you people running that requires 32g of memory?
I won't be buying one.
How can you sell a "pro" that you can not plug the wire that comes with iPhone especially the 7 without buying another damn dongle.
This should of been released as an "Air" and not the "MacBook Pro".
As CNET's Brian Tong would say, "Bad Apple"!
How can you sell a "pro" that you can not plug the wire that comes with iPhone especially the 7 without buying another damn dongle.
This should of been released as an "Air" and not the "MacBook Pro".
As CNET's Brian Tong would say, "Bad Apple"!
Maybe that's just you.
I'd much rather trade a USB-C port for a MagSafe and another one for USB-A. I'd still have two USB-C/Thunderbolt 3 ports left over. I could accept the loss of the SD and HDMI but seriously I don't need 4 USB-C. Give me back a single legacy USB-A and my magsafe damn it.
I think you missed the point. For thin and lightweight, people have the air and macbook lines to choose from. Macbook pro target heavy users and it's not a niche market. Feeling like inside Apple, their goal is how to make thing thinner and lighter, not better and revolutionary like when Steve was still there. Just looks at what they have done pver the past 4-5 years.
I think the new MacBook Pro is essentially what most people wanted. It's fast, good looking, and innovative. The price is high but if you go back four years and look at what the starting prices were on the Retina MacBook Pro, it's certainly not unprecedented.
People stuck on complaining about USB-C need to realize that the battle is not worth fighting. This is the future. You're just gonna have to deal with it.
What this boils down to is the Mac Pro and Mac mini people wanting updates. Which they deserve.
People stuck on complaining about USB-C need to realize that the battle is not worth fighting. This is the future. You're just gonna have to deal with it.
What this boils down to is the Mac Pro and Mac mini people wanting updates. Which they deserve.
I bet Tim Cook barely ever uses a MacBook Pro.
As if there aren't enough threads for "Pros" to reminisce about an Apple that existed only in their minds.
The CPU and GPU in the new models are of the same class as the predecessors, but they are the latest versions. If the current version is underpowered, so were the last ones. Where were the complaints at the last refresh dates in early 2015?
The CPU and GPU in the new models are of the same class as the predecessors, but they are the latest versions. If the current version is underpowered, so were the last ones. Where were the complaints at the last refresh dates in early 2015?
so I guess you never had to work with a mac ever? The data amount I have to deal with (huge PS files and couple of other programs working with simultaneously) requires a fair amount of RAM. 16 GB is a slap in my face. the only option is the "trashcan" mac. And that's not an option at all in respect to a mobile workstation.
these are all legit criticism and should be addressed by Apple otherwise they will loose their "Pro" customers and would eventually harm (even kill) Mac without a doubt.
What they announced,is not a MacBook Pro anymore but carries a Super Pro price tag.
At least they should've continued an updated model with necessary ports and upgradeable Ram.
IMO what they announced is just a Macbook.it's not a Macbook Pro.
they could have branded the 12 Inch laptop "MacBook Air" (or something else specific),the new (so called) "MacBook Pros" just "MacBook" and then release a third variant called "MacBook Pro" with real Pro features that Pro users want.
I cannot see how it couldn't work for them or harm their sales/profit in anyway.
The only reason why they are not doing this would be they simply aren't interested in Pro users and Mac as a serious,professionally used computer anymore and prefer to simplify it as much as possible and rely on aesthetics a gimmicks as a nieche,super expensive product and just focus on iOS.
What they announced,is not a MacBook Pro anymore but carries a Super Pro price tag.
At least they should've continued an updated model with necessary ports and upgradeable Ram.
IMO what they announced is just a Macbook.it's not a Macbook Pro.
they could have branded the 12 Inch laptop "MacBook Air" (or something else specific),the new (so called) "MacBook Pros" just "MacBook" and then release a third variant called "MacBook Pro" with real Pro features that Pro users want.
I cannot see how it couldn't work for them or harm their sales/profit in anyway.
The only reason why they are not doing this would be they simply aren't interested in Pro users and Mac as a serious,professionally used computer anymore and prefer to simplify it as much as possible and rely on aesthetics a gimmicks as a nieche,super expensive product and just focus on iOS.
Yeah I feel for the genuine power users but the current specs are more than I'll ever need (even in the base models). I just prefer macOS and don't mind paying a premium to have the latest MacBook Pro. I think it looks amazing, their build quality is always second to none and I have absolutely no issue with buying a multiport for hdmi, SD card and the odd time I might need a USB A connection. I use google drive for everything else.
So I guess Microsoft's Surface Book isn't a pro machine either since it doesn't offer 32GB RAM option? Is that the defining criteria on what makes a laptop "pro"? How did all these "pros" survive before? How are they surviving now? It's not like the market is flooded with laptops that offer 32GB and 64GB RAM.
So just a big F-you to the heavy users who want a 15" Macbook which is also portable?
So you have no need for 32gb so you call it a temper tantrum? :-/
The reason for people getting upset: The need for 32gb is growing evermore. People actually need the option for 32gb.
2012 - not so much.
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Number one complain is 16 gig max. I want 32.
I think the fundamental disconnect here is that everyone assumes that the 'Pro' moniker refers to 'Professional' when Apple actually meant it to mean 'Profit' Once you do that all the recent moves become clear.
Doesn't it seem equally arrogant to assume that only the needs of the "power user" matter and no one else's?
Yeah, maybe some people don't mind short battery life in exchange for 32 gb of ram because their laptops will be plugged in at their desks 24/7. But not everyone is going to be using their laptops in this manner. To make this group of "power users" happy, other people are going to have to put up with a thicker and heavier laptop with worse battery life.
Does it seem right for Apple to focus on the needs of the 20% at the expense of the other 80%?
And I still stand by my earlier assertion that I would take 4 USB C ports over 7 specialized ports any day. Think about it. Not everyone uses their ports evenly. Don't be surprised if some people have never plugged anything into their HDMI port since day 1. But these are ports which nevertheless take up space and that we are paying for. Now, with the right adaptors, those ports can be whatever port you want them to be, on whichever side you wish.
Still seems like a win in my book.
That is extremely accurate!! Well stated!