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Some of you guys need to start being more realistic. Apple focuses on their most POPULAR products first. Are you really surprised that the Mac mini and Mac Pro take longer to receive updates?

iPhones are their most popular iOS devices and MacBooks/MacBook Pros are their most popular computers...

It's unfortunate, but Apple is huge and their focus shifts over time. So is life...
There's nothing innately wrong with them focussing on their top selling products but to charge over $3000 for a computer that's 3 years old while looking at 5 year old tech as "outdated" is a little much. Mac Pro users don't even expect a full re-design or anything, just a spec boost to keep it up to date with modern technology and it's price tag would be plenty. As it stands now I could get a lot more power for a $3000 PC then I could from a Mac Pro.
 
Considering the pricing Apple has placed on the new MacBook Pros what market is it aimed at if it's not the professional power user? It's hardly aimed at the consumer....

And what's stopping the average consumer from picking one up?

A teacher is a professional. So is a lawyer. Right now, there is a huge hole in Apple's laptop lineup. If my MBA conks out tomorrow and I am in the market for a new laptop, I can either choose the MacBook or the new MacBook Pro.

The MacBook is quite thin and light, and I am prepared to live with just one USB C port, but I don't like the performance constraints. From the YouTube reviews I have seen, the system can lag simply by scrolling through a huge PDF file.

And if I don't want a MacBook or a 13” MBA (which doesn't sport the latest tech), then the next logical step is to get a MacBook Pro. In which case portability and battery life would matter just as much to me as a user, if not more.
 
Your comment makes absolutely no sense, last time I checked the world was pretty much still run in COMPUTERS! Their are far far far more computers then tablets in this world and possible smart phones too. Hardly a niche market...
I think you believe your living in a world where computers don't exist because you've been feeding on the iPhone and iPad for too long.

The market for computers has been shrinking for years, and it's falling off a cliff now. The evidence backs my opinion up. I absolutely understand and appreciate why some people want to fight against this trend kicking and screaming. I grew up with computers too, and will miss them when they are gone.
 
People stuck on complaining about USB-C need to realize that the battle is not worth fighting. This is the future. You're just gonna have to deal with it.

USB-C isn't the future. It's just the next stop. By the time USB-C is widely adopted, Apple will have a laptop with nothing but USB-D ports.
IF there was 32gb of ram you'd be complaining about how expensive it was and how **** the battery life was.

Yes, because Apple gouges the prices and solders the RAM so you can't upgrade it later. That bit about 32 GB adversely affecting battery life is a red herring. The actual problem is that Apple made the battery thinner.
 
A lot of these people are living in the past. We are where Steve Jobs predicted we'd be, living in a post-PC era where the market for high-end traditional computer products is a niche within an already tiny niche.

What Tim and Apple are doing is absolutely right for the company. Those complaining and hating on Apple and Tim are broadly speaking living in the dark ages.
The problem is that the people complaining are Apple's customers, I also don't think they're living in the past. Its apple that is living in the past, hence the navel gazing at the media event. Apple's competitors are rolling out bold designs, and features at a competitive price. Apple is giving us thinner designs with less battery for a higher price. I'm not sure how that could be considered absolutely right for the company.
 
I simply don't get Apple's strategy for it's Mac line. We all know that the world is going more and more mobile and dependent on the web. At the same time there is still an active market for laptops, desktops, mini's etc and Apple should be maximizing this market as it winds down. At some point there may be some kind of crossover from Mac OS to iOS but in the mean time why wouldn't you keep your Mac business as healthy as possible to drive people into and then support the whole ecosystem? Macs are favored disproportionately by creative professionals and yet Apple's strategy is to ignore their real needs and go for a premium consumer segment that is fickle at the best of times. If you read the comments from these forums it is obvious there is a lot of frustration from creative professionals that Apple is not meeting their needs in designing hardware that supports how they work whether it is RAM, USB ports, SD slot, etc. What I don't get is that playing a defensive strategy with the Mac line by keeping it current with available processors and creating a transition strategy for things like USB C isn't difficult but does require a determined effort. If Apple had upgraded the Mini with Skylake and created a better transition strategy for its MB Pro line by offering Skylake processors in both a larger USB A/C variant that could handle 32MB and a consumer variant that was all USB C then I bet we wouldn't be looking at falling Mac sales right now but a much healthier market. It looks like those in their Ivory Towers in Cupertino have been so focused on iOS, Beats and services that they have forgotten about what got them there.......
 
A lot of these people are living in the past. We are where Steve Jobs predicted we'd be, living in a post-PC era where the market for high-end traditional computer products is a niche within an already tiny niche.

What Tim and Apple are doing is absolutely right for the company. Those complaining and hating on Apple and Tim are broadly speaking living in the dark ages.

A niche product?
It is absolutely obvious by your comment that you don't use a computer for a living, and if you do it's just for checking email and little more.
 
We aren't living in a post PC era.

I don't see offices full of tablets. I see developers, project managers, analysts and more working from laptops.

Tablets are great for internet, email and point of sale systems and light work. Heavier work is out of the question - laptops or desktop machines are still required.

You are seeing these people working from old computers and laptops they never intend on replacing, while rapidly transitioning to doing more of their work from phones and tablets.
 
Touch bar is a cool feature but not great. Try to recall yourself how often do you use the function keys on your Mac? You use it occassionally to make some changes to your computer then leave them there. Most of the functions of the touch bar have been handled fine for years by the trackpad. Apple's trackpad is simply one of the best out there on the market

I use the escape key quite a lot with the vi editor, which means that I need the tactile feedback rather than looking for the key each time. Removing the physical key and replacing with a touchable key on a display is an anti-feature to me, one that reduces the value of these so called 'Pro' machines.

I'm using the function keys too, but perhaps not as much.
But yes, the trackpad is great and one of the main reasons I'm using a Macbook Pro.
 
News flash: content creators are creating content on iPads and iPhones.
Honest question, would a content creator use a drawing program that has less features and less ability on a 9.7" iPad then on a quad core machine with dual monitors?

I think you're out of touch with the concept of content creation. I don't know too many professional willing to create content on an iPhone 7 plus :rolleyes:
 
It seems everyone is pretty much only complaining about the RAM capacity. I have a Mid 2015 15" MBP, and run multiple VMs at once which is quite memory intensive and the laptop is still snappy. Also, for you video and audiophiles, it's all about processing vs memory. I also heavily use Pro Tools and Final Cut Pro, so really what the hell are you people running that requires 32g of memory?

Wolfram Mathematica, couple of VMs.

Just a sidenote: PRO does not necessarily mean video editing / DTP. There are software developers, scientists / students, medical, VR... for many of those the Apple "pro" products are becoming under powered. Just remember the statement of one of the major VR headset vendors: we don't support the mac because there is no mac hardware powerful enough to run VR.
 
A niche product?
It is absolutely obvious by your comment that you don't use a computer for a living, and if you do it's just for checking email and little more.

You couldn't be more wrong.

Sitting in my home office right now is a desktop machine running Ubuntu Linux, an iMac, a MacBook Pro, a Dell XPS 15 and a Mac Mini as my home server.

I definitely do a hell of a lot more than check email all day. In fact, neglecting email is a more apt description of what I do because I have bigger and more important things to do.
 
I use the escape key quite a lot with the vi editor, which means that I need the tactile feedback rather than looking for the key each time. Removing the physical key is an anti-feature to me, one that reduces the value of the so called 'Pro' machines.
I use the function keys extensively in my work, and I'm a touch typist, with the new MBP, I'd have to stop typing, look down and make sure the F keys are visible and I hit the correct one, since there's no tactile feedback, I cannot easily do that without looking
 
It's been detailed by many on how intel is part of the reason in what people complaining about the new Macbook Pros. It's funny how people were antsy, wanting Apple to release new stuff just because (despite their previous gen Macbook Pros gave them the power AND the connectivity they needed).

As a business, Apple has multiple dilemmas. Computer and laptop markets are shrinking. Let's be honest here. Heck, look at how many "fans" here are still using more than 5, 6, 7 year old laptops. So we have a shrinking and long product lifecycle market. Then there's intel, who switched from their tried-n-true tick-tock lifecycle into a longer one as well as there's limit on what they can do with silicon. Apple was between a rock and a hard place. They have to justify investing something that won't generate much revenue, with a partner that is also slowing down. They made a compromise and did what they could. As for the higher prices, again, Apple is all about margins. I mean people that expect Apple to suddenly behave like Acer is silly.

And this is not new. Many early iterations or revisions of Apple products come with questionable decisions.
- First iPad: 256MB RAM, making it useless fairly quick
- First Macbook Air: thermal issues, only one USB port
- First iteration of the current Macbook Air: No backlight keyboard (it was added on next revision), only Core 2 Duo
- First iPod nano: scratches like nobody's business
- 3rd gen iPod shuffle: no buttons at all
- First iPod: An MP3 player that only works on OS X, ignoring all Windows users
- First iPhone: 2G only, cost $500 WITH a 2 year contract
Oh for all Steve Jobs fans, ALL of those are under Steve Jobs.

And speaking of Steve Jobs, he himself said that he wants Apple to make computers for mere mortals. For decades, Macs are it. But Steve jobs himself recognized that the world is changing. He even used the truck vs cars analogy. And thus the focus on mobile. He even said during the announcement of iCloud, that the Mac is no longer the digital hub. It got demoted.

Now, for those complaining about the "Pro" monicker, go check out Microsoft's Surface Pros. It started with a core m3 processor. Is that a Pro machine? It is maxed at 16GB as well, and only has 1 UBS 3 port as its fastest i/o. Is that a Pro machine? The Surface Book also only have USB3 as its fastest i/o. Is that professional enough for you? These machines' target market are not people that need workstations.

Meanwhile, people is missing the fact that the new Macbook Pro contains a new Apple chip, T1, another amongst the slew of Apple custom designed chips: W1, S2, and A10. Apple is already preparing to play a different ballgame. For those only wanting Apple to be just another laptop company like Acer or Dell, well, I guess it's a good thing you are not working at Apple.

Am I buying the new Macbook Pro? Nope. Why should I? My current Macs don't suddenly self-combust after the keynote. And even if I must have a Mac with all the ports I needed, Apple has a well-known refurbished section in their online store.
 
I get that a lot of tech from most companies that is launched is gimmicky and often lacks the practical application that we hope for.

But I can't help but see most of Apple's products as "lukewarm". Which is very much different from how I felt with the refreshed Mac lineup in 2008.

"Thinner and lighter" is not the innovation people are looking for.
 
Honest question, would a content creator use a drawing program that has less features and less ability on a 9.7" iPad then on a quad core machine with dual monitors?

I think you're out of touch with the concept of content creation. I don't know too many professional willing to create content on an iPhone 7 plus :rolleyes:

Well, to be fair, a girl has illustrated her own book using only the iPad Pro...

https://the-ipad-artist.com/dear-tim-cook-abc3fbffba1b#.6mn6oqk39
 
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