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Professional Mac Users' Complaints List Grows After 'Disappointing' Apple Event
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Very true. Apple has always been that way though when it comes to the Mac Pro. I don't remember a time when Mac Pro prices dropped in the years it took for it to receive an update.
Not trying to justify Apple, but just saying.
That's your opinion and nothing more, you have absolutely no idea or facts to use to claim people using old computers will never replace them.
If I could build a stable computer that would run MacOS I would be more than willing to. As it stands hackintosh isn't stable and I hate Windows so I have to choose between the power I need and the Software I enjoy. That was never a choice I had to make with apple before.
The issue I have is they said it too 3 years to produce the touch bar - ok, there's lot that went into it no argument, but I would qualify that feature as a minor improvement, and they did nothing else to the MBP other then making it thinner. Many of us were hoping for a bit more, especially after the Microsoft event which garnered a lot of positive press. Conversely we got a lot of introspection of other products. Cook proclaiming the future of TV is apps, and then rolled out a TV app to watch TV - seemed kind of weird to me. We only saw a minor update to the MBP at a time when people were hoping for a major update
LOL. Define "content".
Pretty much everything you see on the web - be it the written word, videos, photography. I know people who edit video on an iPad now and publish it. The workflows are still not as streamlined as doing it on the Mac, and there are obviously some more advanced techniques that you cannot do from an iOS device, but certainly a lot can be done today. And giant strides continue to be made towards eliminating the need for a Mac.
USB-A has been abundant for nearly 20 years now. Complaining about USB-C is futile. Combined with Thunderbolt 3, it is really the best port ever created. Just have to weather the storm of the transition and use one of the vast array of hubs and adapters until you upgrade peripherals to USB-C versions over time.
I'd much rather do that and move the tech forward than stick with older, worse tech just to avoid inconveniencing a vocal minority.
Pro, if the product is viable, semi-Pro if not.
The problem Apple is now forcing itself into is making itself a company of mediocre or middle-road Mac products. They used to punch up all top-end Macs to be something desirable and something that would make the work flow faster and easier--more memory, more drive space, more processor speed. That isn't Apple anymore, but it is what a Pro needs. And it is compounded by the fact that the tech they can use inside their Macs to "max them out" is not being offered or utilized.
Every Pro could use the best processor, or two of them, or 10 of them. As a semi-Pro, the top-line Apples are still not quite where I would like them for video, music, and graphics work (they are getting close). This kind of slack attitude might be fine in another 5 years when the machines are 2x the speed they are now, but Apple should always be adding more memory and larger drives/more drives.
Macs are caught in a decaying product cycle and are becoming more novelty than productivity.
The problem Apple is now forcing itself into is making itself a company of mediocre or middle-road Mac products. They used to punch up all top-end Macs to be something desirable and something that would make the work flow faster and easier--more memory, more drive space, more processor speed. That isn't Apple anymore, but it is what a Pro needs. And it is compounded by the fact that the tech they can use inside their Macs to "max them out" is not being offered or utilized.
Every Pro could use the best processor, or two of them, or 10 of them. As a semi-Pro, the top-line Apples are still not quite where I would like them for video, music, and graphics work (they are getting close). This kind of slack attitude might be fine in another 5 years when the machines are 2x the speed they are now, but Apple should always be adding more memory and larger drives/more drives.
Macs are caught in a decaying product cycle and are becoming more novelty than productivity.
The price never dropped but they would update the hardware. The Mac Pro in 2012, for example, was exactly the same form and price as the 2010 model but received a silent (as in no event at all) upgrade to newer CPU and GPU models.
The only Apple device in recent memory whose raw specifications were on-paper "better" than the competition was the iPod Classic. Apple devices have never been about the numbers, they've been about software-hardware integration and optimization.
So yeah, for your money, you won't get as much RAM, for example, in a MacBook Pro than a similar "Pro" laptop running Windows. You won't get as big of a battery in your iPhone as in a Samsung device. This is how Apple has been since time immemorial and it baffles me that this still shocks people.
That having been said, the opinions of pro users should be weighed more heavily than the opinions of non-pro users when talking about a "pro" device. So if graphics, audio, or video professionals say that the MacBook Pro is lackluster, I would take their word for it. Shame because it looks like a sweet device.
So yeah, for your money, you won't get as much RAM, for example, in a MacBook Pro than a similar "Pro" laptop running Windows. You won't get as big of a battery in your iPhone as in a Samsung device. This is how Apple has been since time immemorial and it baffles me that this still shocks people.
That having been said, the opinions of pro users should be weighed more heavily than the opinions of non-pro users when talking about a "pro" device. So if graphics, audio, or video professionals say that the MacBook Pro is lackluster, I would take their word for it. Shame because it looks like a sweet device.
I hope those 2 zero's were typo's....
With pretty much every major phone released in the second half of this year (except for the iPhone) and laptops from almost all major manufacturers starting to ship with at least 1 USB-C port standard (Apple having only USB-C) it's a matter of 1 maybe 2 years before USB-C is the standard and USB-A will be a legacy port.
I was commenting on your comment that Apple are not aiming at power users, yet they clearly are when they have a stream of power users showing off the new features on stage.
Yup and that perfectly describes where Apple is right now, imo
Geezus it is not my opinion. IT IS FACT. Every PC maker will tell you they are selling less and less computers, financial quarter by financial quarter. The market continues to shrink, and analysts say we are not even close to the bottom yet. You just don't want to believe it.
lol so many people complaining about FireWire. Those people must've lost it over no USB-A. I still use the last MBP with FireWire, and I've never plugged in a FireWire device.
Well, as I've already read here, "I'm an old dinosaur that live's in a dark age"... I'm not the focus of this company, anymore.
Now, the main target are the youngsters and the hipsters. This type of group, buy Apple products to fell good and to be acceptable. They're "cool" and fashionable! The problem is, this group make loans, just to buy an iPhone. Do you think they have the money, to invest on the Macs?
With age one gets wiser. We, the old professionals (Europe calling), now we have families, other needs and we think better, before making a decision. We don't buy as an impulse or because of the "fashionable" factor. What Apple is forgetting is that, we are the ones who have the money, to buy the other products; not just the toys.
We vote with the wallet. If a product doesn't deserve it, we just don't buy it! Do they really think that the new target audience, is going to maintain the good results, for the investors? Well, let's wait and see.
Kind regards,
Xanix
Now, the main target are the youngsters and the hipsters. This type of group, buy Apple products to fell good and to be acceptable. They're "cool" and fashionable! The problem is, this group make loans, just to buy an iPhone. Do you think they have the money, to invest on the Macs?
With age one gets wiser. We, the old professionals (Europe calling), now we have families, other needs and we think better, before making a decision. We don't buy as an impulse or because of the "fashionable" factor. What Apple is forgetting is that, we are the ones who have the money, to buy the other products; not just the toys.
We vote with the wallet. If a product doesn't deserve it, we just don't buy it! Do they really think that the new target audience, is going to maintain the good results, for the investors? Well, let's wait and see.
Kind regards,
Xanix
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I'd like to thank Apple for making my decision really easy. I was holding off to get the newest MBP instead of the late 2015 iMac 5K. Upon seeing the pricing and the bang for the buck, the decision to go with the iMac became very clear and I ordered one right away. Sure I'd love the portability and playing with the new touch bar - but I'll jump off that bridge in a few years when there's wider adoption of T3 and Touch Bar support.
I don't normally chime in, but I'll drop my two cents here:
Like most of the people posting, I've used Macs since my dad first got a Mac Plus in 1988. Lived through the dark ages in the mid 90's, enjoyed the resurgence in the 2000's. I have no issue with Apple going in the direction that they are, as far as "consumer-want" features are concerned. There are, however, a few things that do concern me:
1: Thin and Light- I get that they want to keep making their machines as physically appealing as possible, but I think they they have started to sacrifice usability for form. I don't think that they need to pack in the latest and greatest of everything in there (PCs have routinely had better equipment stuffed in a horrendously huge box), but shaving off things like MagSafe represent a step back rather than forward. Also, companies such as HP have made great strides in producing very thin, light equipment as well, and can compete in that turf. Apple needs better features, not removal of some of its best, to maintain their edge. "Thinner and lighter at all costs" will be a losing battle in the long-term.
2: Not offering decent high-end options - Let's face it: not everyone needs a Mac Pro, or even an iMac, for most work. I take my 2012 MacBook Air 11" around to work, and it does everything I need it to, without fail. There are times that I do significant multitasking, video encoding and processing, and use my dual-screen 27" iMac at home. The loss in the future of my ability to do the latter at home because Apple would rather me buy a massive iPad Pro that can't even come close to the same thing is worrisome to me. I get that most people don't fall in this category, but you can't tell me that a fair number of people don't like having this capability. Letting the iMac and Mac Pro wither the way that they have is a bad move in my mind in the long-term.
3: Leaning on the iPhone - There is no business in the history of the world that has maintained a meteoric rise such as Apple based on just one product (even Coca-Cola has had to branch out as Coke sales have fallen). It simply can't go on forever. Apple has, in my opinion, failed to give most people a convincing reason to buy an Apple Watch. Other phones are catching up (or have outpaced) the iPhone. The majority of their revenue is based on it. If it were to fall off in a hurry, I believe that there would still be a healthy appetite for computers...that is, if Apple gives compelling reasons to buy them. If the iPhone loses it's stellar performance, and the Mac line has been basically neglected, where will Apple turn? It's core computer users will have thumbed their noses at outdated machines. This will place them in a bad position for the long-term as well.
Like most of the people posting, I've used Macs since my dad first got a Mac Plus in 1988. Lived through the dark ages in the mid 90's, enjoyed the resurgence in the 2000's. I have no issue with Apple going in the direction that they are, as far as "consumer-want" features are concerned. There are, however, a few things that do concern me:
1: Thin and Light- I get that they want to keep making their machines as physically appealing as possible, but I think they they have started to sacrifice usability for form. I don't think that they need to pack in the latest and greatest of everything in there (PCs have routinely had better equipment stuffed in a horrendously huge box), but shaving off things like MagSafe represent a step back rather than forward. Also, companies such as HP have made great strides in producing very thin, light equipment as well, and can compete in that turf. Apple needs better features, not removal of some of its best, to maintain their edge. "Thinner and lighter at all costs" will be a losing battle in the long-term.
2: Not offering decent high-end options - Let's face it: not everyone needs a Mac Pro, or even an iMac, for most work. I take my 2012 MacBook Air 11" around to work, and it does everything I need it to, without fail. There are times that I do significant multitasking, video encoding and processing, and use my dual-screen 27" iMac at home. The loss in the future of my ability to do the latter at home because Apple would rather me buy a massive iPad Pro that can't even come close to the same thing is worrisome to me. I get that most people don't fall in this category, but you can't tell me that a fair number of people don't like having this capability. Letting the iMac and Mac Pro wither the way that they have is a bad move in my mind in the long-term.
3: Leaning on the iPhone - There is no business in the history of the world that has maintained a meteoric rise such as Apple based on just one product (even Coca-Cola has had to branch out as Coke sales have fallen). It simply can't go on forever. Apple has, in my opinion, failed to give most people a convincing reason to buy an Apple Watch. Other phones are catching up (or have outpaced) the iPhone. The majority of their revenue is based on it. If it were to fall off in a hurry, I believe that there would still be a healthy appetite for computers...that is, if Apple gives compelling reasons to buy them. If the iPhone loses it's stellar performance, and the Mac line has been basically neglected, where will Apple turn? It's core computer users will have thumbed their noses at outdated machines. This will place them in a bad position for the long-term as well.
Yeah I remember that. Apple execs need to be asked these specific questions when they get interviewed. Would love to hear the reasoning behind the lack of even a quiet Mac Pro update.
To clarify this more... LP means Low Power. So it would have been possible to put DDR4 32GB ram into the Macbook Pro's but Apple chose battery life instead of more memory.
They are overpriced, but to improve on virtually every aspect of the previous MacBook (display, speakers, weight, dimensions, SSD, trackpad, overall speed) is simply being overlooked by the 16 gig RAM complainers. Perhaps Apple should make a thicker and heavier machine that can support 32 gb, but perhaps not - it is an extremely small market. I'd guess that 90% of MacBook users would be more than satisfied with the entry level 13" that is almost as fast as the previous high-end much more expensive 13". The faster touchbar versions will satisfy almost all of the remaining notebook users...
True. I would add that most people don't really care about innovation in the sense Apple seems to understand it, most users simply want decent updates to specs regularly. Why is it such a big deal for Apple to upgrade RAM / CPU / GPU / display EVERY TIME when their vendors have new products available? I am perfectly happy with the design of my 2011 MBP. It's well thought of, lots of space for IO, battery and processing power. No need to change stuff for the change's sake. Just update the internals regularly. Same goes for the Mac Pro, mini, iMac, TB display.