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Thank god Scott or whoever convinced him. But just goes to show not all great ideas originated frm Steve's brain. ;)

That's not the point, no one saying all great ideas originated in his brain, quite the contrary. Every good leader is good because he has, the word I ve been using here from the beginning, GOOD JUDGMENT. The leader doesn't have to have even more than a few good ideas themselves as long as they are consistently good at chosing the best ideas presented to them, and, which to me is equally important, be good at saying a direct and unwaiving no to particularly bad ideas.

The state of apple in most ui issues now is there isn't that someone to say no to particularly bad ideas.
 
Who do you think did decide to not put the dual docks in ?:rolleyes:

No apple tv was released way post Steve, and he was never hands on with lion, just see the keynote, the man is dying for christs sake.


Apple TV: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_TV The original release date was 2007. Jobs was around then.

And if he wasn't hands on with Lion... well apparently you yourself said it wasn't new news that Jobs was working on iPhone5 until his death. So why not Lion?
 
Apple TV: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_TV The original release date was 2007. Jobs was around then.

And if he wasn't hands on with Lion... well apparently you yourself said it wasn't new news that Jobs was working on iPhone5 until his death. So why not Lion?

Jesus Christ, I am talking about the new atv interface...that's had it's ui influenced by ios...he didn't work on lion, see how much he had at hand while for a couple of years he effectively had about 6-7 months a year to work. Do you think its a piece of cake to recover froma liver transplant, do you think iCal design was his concern amidst the real apple tv, his legacy, iOS, iPad, iBooks, the new iPhone, plans to leave ahead, corporate pipeline, organising apple without him etc etc. and trying with all his might to stay alive from cancer?
 
Geez, tough choice... (1) $10,000 prototype iPad 1 with TWO choices for dock connectors...

or (all new)

(1) Mac Pro
(1) 27" iMac
(1) Macbook Air
(1) Macbook Pro
(1) iPad
(1) iPhone

+ extra $$$$ to boot :D
 
Apple could get away with doing a second dock connector as long as they had an aluminum dust cover that'd appear to be flush when not in use. Same concept as the Express card slot on a Macbook Pro.
 
at 10k and in the auction it said buy it now for 10k but to message him privately. bet he is going to remove that lol
 
It's all beat up... I'd rather have my new iPad that is 100 times nicer. It would suck to win and then get caught up in a stolen property case. Lol
 
That's not the point, no one saying all great ideas originated in his brain, quite the contrary. Every good leader is good because he has, the word I ve been using here from the beginning, GOOD JUDGMENT. The leader doesn't have to have even more than a few good ideas themselves as long as they are consistently good at chosing the best ideas presented to them, and, which to me is equally important, be good at saying a direct and unwaiving no to particularly bad ideas.

The state of apple in most ui issues now is there isn't that someone to say no to particularly bad ideas.

Ok then I'll put it another way. I don't think Steve is the only one at Apple who had(s) good judgement and the ability to say no. But it seems these days every time people see something they don't like (ATV UI) or something not working well (Siri) they assume if Steve was around it wouldn't have happened. As if only good things happened under Steve and Tim Cook is just a bean counter or something.

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Yes you are kidding if you claim that Steve didn't have the final say, to me the fistt and final say on the first iPad design.

Nobody's perfect, and dtw skeumorphism in itself isn't a bad thing, the lines are very thin between what poor, good, and great design is. ICal and contacts on the mac are indeed **** in design, and that's a as close to matter of fact and not opinion as anything in design can get. You seem intelligent enough for me to not have to repeat once more why. Particularly so contacts, with iCal not being better but not so apparently bad. Those two amongst other things in lion and of course the new atv ui show a lack of judgement by someone at the very top, makes sense if someone at the very top is Forestahl or Creg fedreighi.


Kids here and apple cultists may downvote my posts as much as they want, but shooting the messenger doesnt amount to anything at the end of the day. iCal, contacts, and atv will still look like ****, are **** in usability, and ill suited to the particular device they are meant for (mac and atv) for pandering to an iOS rubbish skeomorphism.

The irony is that the cream of the crop of iPad apps use very sparse skeumorphism elements to none at all. It's highly ironic that a company who prides themselves on aesthetics should not only not be in the forefront of design in their own device the iPad, but should also borrow said (at best) passable iPad interfaces and force fit them in devices such as macs and the atv where they don't make sense, because it doesn't make sense to have a 12 by 7 cm contacts book on the mac, period.


People can say as much as they want about talent at apple, but these certainly don't show any talent at all. And I didn't switch way back when to have to switch back to ms products such as outlook say and think, hmmm, the way apple counterparts are they are not half bad.
You seem to be suggesting that the good decisions Steve was the final say, and the bad decisions he had nothing to do do with. The skeumorphic design language within Apple's software isn't new. So it seems to me either Jobs approved of it or didn't care (not likely). I agree with you that the best idevice apps use sparse skeumorphism, but most of those aren't designed by Apple. Of course others would disagree and think you need a certain level of it to give software personality. Personally I think it's unnecessary ornamentation.
 
I charge my lithium-ion iPhone battery almost twice as fast with my iPad charger. ;)

Well then the iPhone charger is under powered, Apple probably designed it for portability, most Manufacturers do, My Blackberry also charges faster on a 1000mA cheap Chinese USB charger.
It's also cost of manufacturing and Apple is known for being on the cheap side, just to safe money.
If a Lithium Ion is designed to charge at 1 Amp and you try to charge it at 2 Amp it will heat up and without proper management it will explode.
Educate yourself on LiIon, they can be dangerous cells if not charged properly.
 
Geez, tough choice... (1) $10,000 prototype iPad 1 with TWO choices for dock connectors...

or (all new)

(1) Mac Pro
(1) 27" iMac
(1) Macbook Air
(1) Macbook Pro
(1) iPad
(1) iPhone

+ extra $$$$ to boot :D

Whomever seriously bids on this thing is almost guaranteed to already have at least one of every item you just listed (including extra $$$ laying around).


And the winning bid.....

$10,200.00
 
Well then the iPhone charger is under powered, Apple probably designed it for portability, most Manufacturers do, My Blackberry also charges faster on a 1000mA cheap Chinese USB charger.
It's also cost of manufacturing and Apple is known for being on the cheap side, just to safe money.
If a Lithium Ion is designed to charge at 1 Amp and you try to charge it at 2 Amp it will heat up and without proper management it will explode.
Educate yourself on LiIon, they can be dangerous cells if not charged properly.

You might want to check out this teardown of the iPhone charger. Apple went to a lot of effort and expense to make a quality device.

http://www.arcfn.com/2012/05/apple-iphone-charger-teardown-quality.html
 
If nothing else, a second connector means another part that can break.

Look at it another way, I would love to have a spare dock connector to keep me going should one get messed up!

Apple makes the dock cables short and crappy. The Macbook charger was just as crappy until they made the much beefier angled magnetic charge cable. They were class action sued for the original poor design.

I just don't get why they have never made a quality angled dock cable for the iPad/iPhone. That would help with the landscape usage and save cable wear. But for now I buy long cables from 3rd parties and am happier.
 
If you think about all the cost savings of each little connector and the amount of copper shipped with each iPad that has been unused, it seems a bit wasteful to me. Apple never had any intentions of re adding the connector so to me that they left it is strange to say the least.

it's possible that the circuit boards were assembled before the decision not to include the 2nd dock connector. when in doubt, include things
 
That's not a "prototype", that's the store version, equipped with two connectors so it can be built in in both portrait and landscape orientation without the cable sticking out at one side and without the "iPad"-tag on the back because that can't be seen anyway.
 
I would like my iPad to have a second connector. I would even pay extra for that. A second connector would be very very useful when holding the device in portrait mode and having to charge it at the same time.
 
Whomever seriously bids on this thing is almost guaranteed to already have at least one of every item you just listed (including extra $$$ laying around).


And the winning bid.....

$10,200.00

And probably a decent buy for a serious collector, if Apple's lawyers don't hunt the buyer down. Watch out for the next appearance of this in 20 years, bidding to start at $200K.
 
What will happen:
1) apple will contact police
2) police will contact ebay to get the address of the buyer
3) buyer will be requested to surrender it
4) apple gets it back and locks it in their safe

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