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I can make up stats too! The PS3 is more stable than the XBox. The XBox has a little problem called Red Ring of Death. It happens to 110% of the consoles out there.

Actually, I didn't make up any statistics. Learn how to use google, its your friend. It will show you that there have been roughly 2 to 3 games sold per PS3 so far.

Oh and its "Xbox" not "XBox".

And yeah, the Xbox may have issues with the red ring of death. But you know, the PS and PS2 were notorious for their heat related failures. Microsoft actually stood up and admitted their fault and extended everyones warranty to 3 years for that failure. What did Sony do? Sony had to lose multiple class action lawsuits before being forced to repair systems out of warranty. Again, software sales show that the PS3 isn't being used for games enough to judge its failure rate. But if you go to PS3 forums you'll hear of plenty of PS3s dying.

And by standard do you mean 20GB standard?

At least Microsoft gives you the choice of buying a gimped system. Sony forces it on you by calling it a "price cut" ;)

The funny thing is that Microsoft has NEVER removed features from the Xbox to get the price lower. They've actually added features (the pack-in memory card, HDMI output) while lowering the price.

The Xbox360 Premium has always been around. it started at $399. So yes, it is a "Standard feature". You can choose the system WITHOUT a HDD option.

But, really, what good does the HDD serve anyway? The PS3 wouldn't need it for game installs if they had gone with a high speed DVD drive rather than a snail slow BD-ROM.

Keep dreaming for a HD-DVD win?

http://news.cnet.com/8301-10784_3-9932311-7.html "The NPD Group released some of its retail sales tracking data Wednesday that showed sales of Blu-ray standalone players (not a PlayStation 3, combo player, or PC with Blu-ray drive) had mostly decreased since the beginning of the year."

I don't support HD DVD or blu-ray. Blu-ray has too much draconian DRM and HD DVD didn't have enough support. Plus Blu-ray players are still more expensive than DVD players were at the same point in their life time. Two years on we saw DVD players dropping below $200 and DVD drives for the PC dropping below $80. HDTVs still are not in most house holds. I have one, but the rest of the house has SDTVs. My HP can play blu-ray via an external drive (thanks to dedicated graphics, unlike my MacBook), but my MacBook can only read DVDs. So, realistically, what are people going to choose? A $40 upscaling DVD player that makes their DVDs look as good as their HD cable on their $400 Wal-Mart 720p LCD set? Or a format with a player that costs more than their TV did with discs that cost an average of twice as much as the same movie on DVD?

I'll give you the fact that the low end PS3 can't emulate PS2 games, but it CAN play PS1 games. And the high end does both! So half point for you.

What high end model? Here in Southern California (and nearly every online store) the only model available new for almost this entire year so far has been the 40GB PS3. There is no "high end" model any more.

So the low end model can play PS1 games. Big deal. PC emulators for the PS were available more than 10 years ago.

Which some people say is the XBox. But I don't know so I'm not going to get into that. They look the same to me.

As you conveniently ignored, I pointed out that CoD4 runs flawlessly at high settings on my GeForce 8400M GS. CoD4 is just a really well written game and it honestly doesn't look particularly realistic. Well, the environments do. But the character models sure don't.

Anyone who says the Xbox360 is weaker than the PS3 needs a refresher course in computer architecture.

You keep mentioning GRID in the same paragraph with GT5P. Why? You want cars but choose GRID over GT5P.

I want race cars. I don't want VW Bugs, I don't want every model Honda Civic ever made. I don't want trucks. I don't want the Mini Cooper. I want good racing cars.

The problem with Gran Turismo is that it has every Japanese car ever made. It barely includes any Euro or American cars. And out of the Euro and US cars it does include, it has a bunch of crap like station wagons, trucks, the Model T, etc.

You want realistic damage but GRID doesn't have realistic damage either.

Heh, I think its about time you actually download the GRID demo. Let's say you misjudge a turn in GRID and your car's right front side goes full force into the wall. The body breaks up and off like it would in real life, and your tire gets jacked up, like it would in real life, so it throws off your handling.. just like it would in real life. Run head first into a wall? Your cars toast, just like in real life.

And you want a game that has cars that handle like cars. Well, you can just throw GRID out the window with that one.

Have you ever driven a real car? Look at Gran Turismo for a second. If you're driving a REAL car and not an Asian car in the game, you basically have to come to a stop at every turn, otherwise you'll fishtail and spin out of control. Real cars don't handle that way. In Gran Turismo you can take short cuts across the grass and dirt and not spin out. That doesn't happen in real life with real racing cars. In Gran Turismo you can take turns at full speed and just crash into the car ahead of you and use them to keep you on course as you take the turn at full speed because theres A) no damage and B) the physics aren't realistic and force of the car doesn't push both off course into the wall or turf.

You want real race cars? Is the F2007 real enough for you?

Maybe if Gran Turismo played like a real racing game. Oh and it had a realistic sense of speed too! I remember back when I was a GT fanboy and in love with GT3, an Xbox fan rightfully compared the speed in GT to riding on shopping carts. Heh, its true. Going 200MPH in Gran Turismo is about the same as doing 60MPH in real life.

And hate to break it to you but there are Minis in Forza too.

Yeah but you don't have to race stupid cars like that 20 times just to advance in the game.

And I didn't need a Mini to play GT5P, so I don't know what game you're playing.

If the final version of GT5 is anything like previous games, you'll have to race the mini about 10 times with 10 different configurations to advance. As well as other ridiculous cars, trucks, etc.

You really have no clue at all.

Sorry, I've been playing Gran Turismo since long before it became popular. I know how the game works. I know how unrealistic it is.

Why do you come into threads about the PS3? People don't go into the XBox threads to bash the XBox. (At least not respectable people.)
Why don't you do us all a favor and leave the Console Forum for good.

Telling the truth isn't bashing or flaming. I'm sorry if you can't handle facts.

No need to flame. Its clear he really can not make a rational argument, his reply to my post was the icing on an ignorant cake.

Comments like that show that you're wrong and don't have any way to come back at the others counter argument.

The PS3 still does emulate most PS2 games though. (Of course regions may vary.)

The 40GB PS3 is the only model in production as of now. It does not play PS2 games.

1. Its very badly, about 50 games actually work, and 2 of them are Halo >.>

Heh, 50 games? You're funny. http://www.xbox.com/en-US/games/backwardcompatibilitygameslist.htm Just about every Xbox game ever made runs on the Xbox360. The Xbox360 will even run games that are both it and the original Xbox! Half-Life 2! Call of Duty 2 and 3! Lego Star Wars!

Funny how Microsoft continues to update Xbox compatibility yet Sony completely backed down on their word. One year they're making fun of Microsoft for using software emulation and saying that Playstation 1 and 2 games will live on forever through backwards compatibility and that backwards compatibility is paramount to their strategy.

A year later they're saying that nobody wants backwards compatibility any more and that its not important.

Typical Sony. Just like how they pulled all of the features from Gran Turismo 4. Just like how they pulled all of the features from the PS2 HDD with no warning. The list goes on and on and on.

What games do you want to play that were on XBOX? That system was terrible!

Multi-platform games were better on the Xbox than Playstation2. Besides Ratchet and Clank, what exclusives did the PS2 have that were mentionable? Gran Turismo? That all ended with Forza 1. Final Fantasy? FF 10 and 12 were so bad that I was in tears from both being bored and laughing at the games. I seriously laughed at loud at just how bad both games were at points.

The Xbox had better versions of PS2 games (the GTA3 trilogy was better on the Xbox), it had PC ports (Doom 3, Half-Life 2, Unreal, KotoR), and it was the exclusive home of the second most popular franchise of the previous generation, Halo.

The Xbox outsold the GC but didn't catch up to the PS2 obviously.

So lets go over it one more time. Better exclusives (Halo, Forza, PC ports), better multi-platform games (nearly every 3rd party game, and the GTA games as well), plus it laid the frame-work for what we have today in both the PS3 and Xbox360.

Oh and it has one feature that the PS3 STILL doesn't have.

System/game-wide custom soundtracks.

The PS3 used to actually have a PS2 Chip inside, then they removed it, but used software emulation, with a roughly 70% Success of the PS2 game working, then the 40Gb had Software emulation removed too, for unknown reasons. All PS3's play PS1 games perfectly.

Actually, the first two PS3s had both the EE and GS.

Later PS3s removed the GS but kept the EE. So it was very much like the PS2 was with the PS1. The PS2 kept the PS1 CPU and that took over for the main processor, and the GPU did all of the graphics work. It was the same with the PS3. The EE would do all of the main CPU work for PS2 games and the GPU in the PS3 would do the graphics work.

Its really stupid that Sony did that because the PS2, for years now, has had the EE and GS on one die. So they essentially went with a more expensive solution with the PS3.

But anyway.

But the Xbox360's software emulation is better than what the PS3 did. All Xbox360 games get upscaled to 720p and 4x FSAA is applied.

Honestly, I was a big PS fanboy back in the day. But looking back on it now, I should have went with the Xbox. Same games with better graphics. Better games not available on the PS2. I stuck with the PS2 because of the sequels to PS games. I also wanted to play the FF games because I had been a big fan since the NES days. But sticking with the PS2 was a mistake. The PS sequels didn't turn out good, Final Fantasy went down the crapper, and the only noteable series was Ratchet and Clank.
 
As you conveniently ignored...
And as you conveniently ignore all of what I say...:rolleyes:


Heh, I think its about time you actually download the GRID demo. Let's say you misjudge a turn in GRID and your car's right front side goes full force into the wall. The body breaks up and off like it would in real life, and your tire gets jacked up, like it would in real life, so it throws off your handling.. just like it would in real life. Run head first into a wall? Your cars toast, just like in real life.
So what should I do with my full copy of the game after I download the demo?
The damage is NOT realistic. In real life, if your right front side goes full force into the wall, you are finished. You ain't going anywhere. But Grid allows you to keep going. Maybe even smash in the left front side to even things out.


Telling the truth isn't bashing or flaming. I'm sorry if you can't handle facts.
What truth? What facts? You have given no facts. You're 'facts' are purely subjective. And the few 'facts' that are somewhat objective you provide no links. Just like you, your 'facts' you are full of BS.


Someone had the perfect signature for this situation. (Sorry, don't remember the source)
'Never try to argue with an idiot, they just drag you down to their level and beat you at their own game.'
Well, I am done trying to argue with this idiot.

Sorry, MRU! I'm done now! :D
 
And as you conveniently ignore all of what I say...

Actually, I countered everything you said. You were proven wrong and you know it. Thats why you've ignored everything I said and made such a small response.

So what should I do with my full copy of the game after I download the demo?

Oh so now you own the game after you've made it abundantly clear that you don't own the game, have no real world experience with real cars, and that you're not a long time player of the Gran Turismo series.

The damage is NOT realistic. In real life, if your right front side goes full force into the wall, you are finished. You ain't going anywhere. But Grid allows you to keep going. Maybe even smash in the left front side to even things out.

First, "ain't" isn't a word. Neither is "aint".

Second, you've already made it clear plenty of times that you have no real world experience with this issue and that you barely even have experience with the Gran Turismo franchise itself.

Third, if you go full force into a wall in GRID, the amount of damage depends on the angle. If you hit it head on, on the corner, you are finished. If you brush it hard, then your handling and engine are going to be shot and you're going to have to pull left the rest of the race to drive in a straight line. If you just brush against the wall like what happens a lot in real races, you'll get some cosmetic damage and you have to hope that your tire isn't getting torn up by the displaced car body.

We'll see what Sony does as far as car damage goes too. It will probably be just like all of the online features that were promised for Gran Turismo 4. They announce it, delay it several years, then announce it has been removed from the final game.

Or maybe it will be like car damage in Gran Turismo 1. You'll have an onscreen diagram of the car that has spots that turn from green to red as the damage gets worse and it slows down your overall speed.

What truth? What facts? You have given no facts. You're 'facts' are purely subjective. And the few 'facts' that are somewhat objective you provide no links. Just like you, your 'facts' you are full of BS.

rofl, how old are you? 12? If you were actually old enough to play Gran Turismo 4 and the previous games, you'd know that everything I said about Gran Turismo is a fact. In GT4 you DO have to race ridiculous races with ridiculous limitations, like trucks or family cars with no tuning, to advance in the game.

And you'd know all about the online features being removed. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gran_Turismo_4_Online "This is a limited edition of the 2004/2005 racing game Gran Turismo 4 (GT4) featuring extra online services that were removed from the standard game due to some issues and a lack of time as the game had been delayed several times."

So Sony changes its position again. The original reason for the online services (races at 60fps, voice chat, car downloads, tournaments, etc) was "localization issues". Now its "time"? Please.

Someone had the perfect signature for this situation. (Sorry, don't remember the source)
'Never try to argue with an idiot, they just drag you down to their level and beat you at their own game.'
Well, I am done trying to argue with this idiot.

Again, how old are you? If you're over the age of 10, try to act mature, okay?

Quoting that line right there is a classic example of being proven wrong, getting all emotional over being wrong, and then acting like an immature child when trying to get out of the argument.

Edit: So you own GRID? https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/501721/

You live in an area where its not available yet? http://www.gamershell.com/news_52320.html Hmm. Or are you going to try to say "I imported it!" now?
 
This little feud is starting to get boring... And I just watched Casino Royale on Blu-Ray... perfect!

Edit: Ok now it's just ridiculous, any way I can close it down?
 
Edit: Ok now it's just ridiculous, any way I can close it down?

Yeah, now that you have your PS3, you don't really need to get on this thread anymore. Obviously these guys ain't quittin' any time soon. Some people are like that, and all you can really do is just stand back and watch the fireworks.

See, watch. They might just react to this post, and then go back to flamin' each other.
 
All you have done is ignore my statements, twist my words, and put words in my mouth.

You are talking about maturity. The mature thing would have been for you to not even come into this thread just to start bashing. Your only intention was to create a flame war, which I am ending with this post. You can continue to post all you want here. But I'm not going to reply to you BS anymore.

And yes, I did import it. It may be hard for you to understand but I bought it on Amazon, had it sent to my parents, and had my parents send it to me. The Japanese version won't be available until winter and I decided I would rather have the English version. Plus, after doing a little research about DiRT and playing the demo, I decided I don't want it. Driving time trials isn't too fun for me. I'd rather have Motorstorm 2 as my off-road racer.

Have a good day. Feel free to completely change my words again. But don't expect a response from me.
 
Yeah, now that you have your PS3, you don't really need to get on this thread anymore. Obviously these guys ain't quittin' any time soon. Some people are like that, and all you can really do is just stand back and watch the fireworks.

See, watch. They might just react to this post, and then go back to flamin' each other.
Actually I'm done now! Sorry, I got pulled in by the flame bait. I'm usually pretty good at avoiding it but sometimes it does pull me in.:eek:
 
I'm just curious how mosx is managing to get high framerates in Call of Duty 4 at max settings with an 8400M GS when with my 8800 GT at max settings it gets only middlin' framerates of maybe 25-35.
 
All you have done is ignore my statements, twist my words, and put words in my mouth.

You are talking about maturity. The mature thing would have been for you to not even come into this thread just to start bashing. Your only intention was to create a flame war, which I am ending with this post. You can continue to post all you want here. But I'm not going to reply to you BS anymore.

And yes, I did import it. It may be hard for you to understand but I bought it on Amazon, had it sent to my parents, and had my parents send it to me. The Japanese version won't be available until winter and I decided I would rather have the English version. Plus, after doing a little research about DiRT and playing the demo, I decided I don't want it. Driving time trials isn't too fun for me. I'd rather have Motorstorm 2 as my off-road racer.

Have a good day. Feel free to completely change my words again. But don't expect a response from me.

It's amazing how fast your copy supposedly arrived in Japan. Even using the fastest shipping methods, it still takes a week or more to get things to Japan. Me and my girlfriend often send things to her family.

Anyhow, I never once twisted your words or put things in your mouth. Please show me where I did that.

Secondly, my intention wasn't to "flame" or "bash". Bashing is saying "LOL PS3 SUX". Not stating a fact, such as Sony going back on their promises.

My "opinions" on games are backed up by sales figures as well. Look at MGS for instance. MGS3 sold terribly compared to 2 and MGS4, so far, is already falling on the charts. Final Fantasy has sold progressively worse too. SO has Gran Turismo.

Yet games made popular by the original Xbox are on the rise as far as sales are concerned.

So you're free to think what you like. I never "twisted your words" or any of that nonsense.

But I know how the internet works. When someone has been proven wrong they have to turn around and act like a child and come out swinging to make the one who proved them wrong look bad.
 
I'm just curious how mosx is managing to get high framerates in Call of Duty 4 at max settings with an 8400M GS when with my 8800 GT at max settings it gets only middlin' framerates of maybe 25-35.

Playing on your Mac Pro?

Blame Apple.

If you had a PC with that same setup you'd be getting much better frame-rates at native resolutions.
 
Rather than handing out several temporary bans, I'm just going to close this.

Let's try to keep flaming and namecalling out of the forums, m'kay?
 
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