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Didn't we used to have a console war thread where people could say all the stupid, flame causing garbage that they would ever want to spew forth?

We did, but in fairness this kind of rubbish has died down a heck of a lot in the last few months.

Its up to us regulars to mind the forum, and certainly not raise to the bait, just use a bit of intelligence and dry witt, and make it patently clear that

'we don't take kindly to those types round here' ;)

And hopefully the newbies will get the message and either grow up & tow the line, or if they continue to wish to troll, they will probably go elsewhere - where their posts will create the uproar they so desire.

Anyone being a repeat offender, I suggest you report their post to the moderators and let them deal with it, though I do advise you to not go on a report spree just for the sake of it, as the mods have enough to do keeping all the newbs in check in the iPhone section ;):)
 
haha, sorry, I had quite a lot going at the time and forgot to search and check for other threads. :(

My friend went through 8 XBOX 360s.

8.

He bought a PS3 and a Wii and they are GREAT. No problems.

There are also a lot of PS2 games I like so that is also a benefit of PS3.

I went through 3 Ps1 systems and 3 Ps2 systems not to mention the countless other Sony optical device products that have failed on me (Discmans, cd players, dvd players).

Sony is FAR from a reputable hardware company these days...don't be fooled by the pizazz of the name "Sony" which has 0% of the cache that it did 15 years ago.
 
First.. I gotta say, if somebody went through EIGHT Xbox360s, you have to wonder just how they are treating the system. I can believe two, maybe three systems dying because of design defects. But eight? No. That comes down to user abuse right there.

I can, however, agree that Sony's optical drives are piss poor. My first PS2 (bought in 2003) died one month out of warranty. My slim PS2 died not too long after the one year warranty was up.

Even my original Playstation was on the fritz after only a couple of years.

I've also had other Sony products that were not good quality at all. Those $150 Sony MDR-V700DJ headphones? Ask anybody who has had a pair for more than a year. They crack and break at the hinges, even if you baby them.

Sony, honestly, makes junk. They're the Bose of the electronics world. They rely on their once good name and sell junk at a premium price.

That is reason number one I didn't buy a PS3. When it launched it was $499 and $599. How could I spend so much on a single piece of hardware that was using first generation technology as its main means of reading data?

Theres a lot of other reasons the Xbox360 is a better buy than the PS3 as well.

Sure, Sony has blu-ray. But so what? Its foolish to buy into either blu-ray or HD-DVD at this point. Ask anybody (like me) who bought a SACD or DVD-Audio player or disc. Ask us about our investment now and just how many new discs we can buy or how we can get new players. Anybody who takes sides in the blu-ray and HD-DVD war, buys either format at all, is foolish. You're throwing money away into a format that might lose and you'll be out potentially hundreds of dollars. Sony's also overcharging for the blu-ray drive in the PS3. You can already buy replacement drives for the system for around $60. If it costs that much retail, then you can imagine that it costs Sony maybe 1/3 or less to produce them themselves.

Most importantly of all, theres the games. The PS3 simply doesn't have good games. I loved the PS2 lineup. But I look at what the PS3 has and whats coming out.... and theres nothing worth the enormous price tag.

Resistance and Ratchet are basically all the PS3 has at this point. $500 for that? No thanks. I loved Ratchet on the PS2... and I think its absolutely hilarious how Ratchet basically went under the radar until now.. when the PS3 has absolutely nothing else, all the fanboys and Sony are talking about how great Ratchet is. Welcome to half a decade ago for a lot of us. The upcoming games on the PS3 have absolutely no appeal. Final Fantasy 13? No thanks. Final Fantasy peaked with 6, 7 was good, 8 was fantastic, 9 was okay. Final Fantasy 10 was one of the worst games I had ever played, and 12 somehow managed to be even worse. Gran Turismo 5? No thanks. I refuse to buy 1/4 of a game for full price and then have to buy the rest via microtransactions at a later date. Gran Turismo still doesn't have car damage either. I was disappointed in GT4 that all of the promised online features were removed at the last minute and the game was delayed endlessly. But GT5 is even more of a disappointment. Metal Gear Solid? Loved the first game. Second game was so ridiculously boring and all around stupid that I have no intention to ever play a MGS game again.

That leaves every other game on the PS3 as multi-platform. Why buy the more expensive and less capable system when the same games are on the Xbox360 and better on that platform? Grand Theft Auto 4 will be better on the Xbox360 according to Rockstar, and it'll have exclusive content. Plus the Xbox360 has better exclusives than the PS3, like Halo and Gears of War.

Plus, for $349 you get a FULL package. You get the system, HDD, wireless controller, headset, and component cables IN THE BOX. $499 PS3 still only gives you RCA cables.

That $349 system maintains backwards compatibility as well. Microsoft has not backtracked ONCE on their promise with backwards compatibility and has even done a better job with it than Sony.

It's funny how, just a year ago, Sony mocked Microsoft's backwards compatibility and said that the function was "paramount" to their strategy and hardware. Now, a year later, Sony says backwards compatibility is not important at all and that the PS3 games are good enough. While during all of this, Microsoft goes and launches the service to allow you to download original Xbox games and play them from your Xbox360 HDD. Meanwhile, Sony hasn't even been able to keep their promise with the PS "Archive". They said they wanted "every" Playstation game available on the Playstation store. Yet they still have the same junk that it launched with and very few titles have been added over the year.

Sony has such a horrible track record going back the last 5 years with their promises. First, they promise the PS2 HDD will have all kinds of multi-media functions, online capabilities, etc. It gets delayed endlessly in the US and when it is released, they silently pull all of the promised features from it and it basically ends up just making Final Fantasy 11 cost $99. The backlash at their forum was so widespread that they threatened (and did) ban users for mentioning those promised features and even deleted all of the press releases from the site that had any mention of those features.

Let's not forget Sony's promised features with GT4. Full online community, downloadable cars, online racing at 60fps. What did we get? None of that. All pulled at the last minute.

PSP promises? Wheres the online music download service? Wheres the movie download service that was promised? Where are the PS1 games? We were supposed to have a "full library" by now, yet we don't have crap.

Now we have the PS3 and Sony has stepped back on every one of their promises with it. The currently supported system has no backwards compatibility, and the heads of Sony's gaming division have come out and clearly said that the PSN won't always be free.

The sad thing is that I used to be a big Sony fanboy (and a big Nintendo fanboy until the N64 came out and I had nothing to play but Mario 64 and Mario Kart 64 for a full year before I bought Playstation). But they got arrogant, went back on way too many of their promises, and overpriced their console by several hundred dollars. Now their console is where it should have been at launch, price wise, and its a gimped version that is basically useless.

It's funny how times change. Microsoft went from the enemy to the only one doing anything right as far as gaming is concerned. I can't believe that when the next Grand Theft Auto game comes out, I'll be forced to buy a Microsoft console because Sony screwed up and Nintendo isn't even an option.

One final note.. the Xbox360 might have had hardware issues, but let's not forget the hardware issues (disc read errors) the PS2 had when it started to reach 1-2 years old. Microsoft did the right thing by extending warranties and fixing the problem. It took Sony losing a class action lawsuit before they'd fix faulty by design PS2s.
 

Wow.... well I'd like to comment on some wrong things in this rant.
1. "for $349 you get a FULL package."... hmm I feel its missing something... what is it... oh ya Wi-Fi, the only way I hook up to my internet... and how much is? $100! wow... they could at least make it $50.
2. You seem really pissed with GT4...
3. MGS series isn't bad, it's just an opinion.
4. "Bose of the electronics", since when did Bose not make electronics :D, I use Bose products.
5. PSN is gonna cost money? Well that sort of sucks.
 
Games. Good ones. The 360 has them, the PS3 does not. Simple as that for me, at least until the real Sony exclusives like MGS4 start arriving (Resistance is laughable compared to Halo 3 or Gears of War, and Heavenly Sword is good for maybe five hours of entertainment before it's over). Beyond that, Xbox Live is ten times as good as the online system in any PS3 title, and the price difference between the consoles makes a world of difference on top of everything else.
 
"for $349 you get a FULL package."... hmm I feel its missing something... what is it... oh ya Wi-Fi, the only way I hook up to my internet... and how much is? $100! wow... they could at least make it $50.

WiFi is bad for gaming. I don't care what anybody says. 802.11g is just not meant for gaming. Why? Because it can fall victim to too many different environment variables that kill the connection. Plus signal strength, or even just sitting the system too close to the TV, can interrupt your signal in some way and drive your ping up to insane levels.

The Xbox360 is also designed to stream content from your PC. Streaming high bitrate content over wireless? HAH! You can't even stream a DVD (not compressed to an MPEG-4 format) over wireless if you're not in the same room with a perfect signal. Streaming HD content over wireless? Forget it. Not happening.

Wireless is okay for casual browsing. But for bandwidth intensive applications, or those that require quick response times and perfect signal strength (don't let the full 5 bars trick you), such as gaming, file transfers, and video streaming.. 802.11g just does not cut it. Even if I had a PS3, I'd still be running ethernet to it.

You seem really pissed with GT4...

Yup. Like a lot of things, Sony promised the world and delivered nothing but the same game that had been released three times previously.. but this time it had better graphics. Somehow, running in 1080i makes up for the lack of all of the promised features and car damage. Now Sony is going to release GT5 as a partial game and release the rest of it later via microtransactions. Not even MS and Xbox360 developers have sunk that low with microtransaction ripoffs.

MGS series isn't bad, it's just an opinion.

I honestly don't know a single person who loved the first game and still likes the series after the second game.

"Bose of the electronics", since when did Bose not make electronics, I use Bose products.

Bose generally just makes audio equipment. They've branched into other fields, but they mainly stick to audio. Anyway, I said that in the sense that Bose is regarded as the worst of the worst when it comes to audio equipment (I can't even begin to tell you how awful their products sound compared to superior, and more cheaply priced products) . Sony is the same way. Their stuff is expensive, but junk.

PSN is gonna cost money? Well that sort of sucks.

Thats what Sony said. They said "it won't always be free". And we all know that "Home" is going to be microtransaction hell as well.

the price difference between the consoles makes a world of difference on top of everything else.

Exactly. The fully functional PS3 costs $499. The fully functional Xbox360 costs $349. With taxes, you can walk out of the store with the fully functional Xbox360 + 2 games for around $505, depending on sales tax. The PS3 itself, without component or an HDMI cable, would run around $540 depending on taxes. Then you have to think about getting component cables or an HDMI cable and games. You could easily end up spending close to $700 just to walk out of the store with a PS3, what you need to connect to an HDTV, and a couple of games. Thats absolutely ridiculous for a game machine.
 
I'm no Microsoft fan, I am always the first to advise against any Windows product, but I have one exception.

Dude, unless you are a huge japanese RPG fan, and don't care about online play so much, or really need a Blu-Ray player, you would be making a mistake if you didn't go with a 360. The online community on Xbox Live has been going strong for 5 years now...and it has improved so much. I read somewhere that PS3's online service is "like your grandma who just got her first AOL account."

So if you have the balls to stick with the PS3 for the last remaining exclusives like Metal Gear Solid and Gran Turismo and Rachet and Clank, then don't let me stop you. Otherwise go with the 360. There's plenty of exclusives you'd be missing out on like Halo 3, Gears of War, and Mass Effect to name a few.
 
Oh nevermind.....I can't be bothered.




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"Stupid sh*t" happens to be my opinion, thank you very much. Given that four of my favorite games in all existence - Mass Effect, Bioshock, Halo 3, and Gears of War - happen to be 360 exclusives, I see no compelling gameplay reason to even consider the purchase of a PS3, at least at present, particularly when given the price difference and lack of quality universal online support. And yes, that is taking into account upcoming titles. As much as I'm desperate to play MGS4 and God of War 3, I can say that I'm even more desperate to get my hands on Alan Wake, Too Human, and Ninja Gaiden 2. Beyond that, a host of my other favorite titles (Call of Duty 4, Assassin's Creed, Oblivion, etc.) as well as my most anticipated titles (Devil May Cry 4, Star Wars: The Force Unleashed, etc.) currently are/will be available on both systems with no significant difference. Previously I was desperately awaiting Lair (only to find out it was a complete load of garbage upon arrival), but at this point the only currently released PS3 title which I truly envy is the glorious gem known as Eye of Judgment, which provides me with pure bliss upon every opportunity I have had to sample its wonders. And yes, I enjoyed Heavenly Sword, but having beaten it in a single afternoon at my cousin's place I have little desire to play through it again, however enjoyable it was. And no, I am not a Ratchet and Clank fan (or a fan of 3D action platformers in general, for that matter).
I am no fanboy. I still consider the PS2 the greatest console of the last generation in many ways, however much I loved the Xbox and Gamecube as well, and my refusal to purchase a PS3 stems from far more realistic motivation than simple Microsoft-loving stupidity (Besides which, who honestly likes Microsoft to begin with? I simply enjoy their Xbox line of products, but little else beyond that.)
 
WiFi is bad for gaming. I don't care what anybody says. 802.11g is just not meant for gaming. Why? Because it can fall victim to too many different environment variables that kill the connection. Plus signal strength, or even just sitting the system too close to the TV, can interrupt your signal in some way and drive your ping up to insane levels.

The Xbox360 is also designed to stream content from your PC. Streaming high bitrate content over wireless? HAH! You can't even stream a DVD (not compressed to an MPEG-4 format) over wireless if you're not in the same room with a perfect signal. Streaming HD content over wireless? Forget it. Not happening.

Wireless is okay for casual browsing. But for bandwidth intensive applications, or those that require quick response times and perfect signal strength (don't let the full 5 bars trick you), such as gaming, file transfers, and video streaming.. 802.11g just does not cut it. Even if I had a PS3, I'd still be running ethernet to it.

Ladies and Gentlemen, allow me introduce you to a concept known as tech snobbery. The quoted post is a prime example.

mosx; I play with my DS and Wii online all the time, lag-free, over 802.11g. I do the same with my MacBook.

Exactly. The fully functional PS3 costs $499. The fully functional Xbox360 costs $349.

Faulty comparison; the lowest-end PS3 still has every single thing the "fully functional" XBox 360 Premium has and then some (a bigger hard drive, Blu-ray, and WiFi).

And the high end XBox 360 was $449 last I checked (the Elite).
 
360:
Pros:
Good games that I would like
OK looks
Like the controller
Big XBOX live community

Cons:
I don't trust the device after they've had SO many problems.
XBOX live is a bit expensive.

What do you think? I like them both... but I think the PS3 is a bit better. Your opinions?

XBox Live is a bargain. It's 50 bucks per YEAR. I have 2 XBox Live Gamertags, and I've had them for going on 4 years now.

Seriously, XBox Live is great because it costs an annual fee. I play World of Warcraft too because it's a fantastic game, and I'm paying $15 per MONTH for that. I get more than 15 dollars worth of enjoyment out of that every month.

My point is, you really get what you pay for, which is what worries me about the PS3 online service. And do you really think PS3's online play is "free?" It's a ploy. You know that all the best features and/or content is gonna cost you.
 
That's kind of sad. ;)

<]=)

Again, opinion. Whether or not you share a similar one is hardly relevant.
Now granted, I haven't played Mass Effect yet (for obvious reasons) so it's pure speculation in comparison to the other three titles, but in essence everything about it seems to be geared towards what I would likely consider an unbelievably amazing game - Knights of the Old Republic meets Gears of War. And given that the former remains my most beloved RPG title of all time (with the close possible exception of Baldur's Gate 2) while the latter contains what I consider the pinnacle of shooter gameplay, I hardly see how Mass Effect could possibly not be as good as I expect it to be.

I'm not some head-in-the-ass elitist snob who feels the need to claim obscure Genesis and PS1 cult-classic titles as my "favorite" games for the sake of appearing to possess a higher level of "taste" for doing so. I bloody enjoy playing Halo 3 more than I ever enjoyed playing Gunstar Heroes (though the game was a remarkably good one), and as great as Vagrant Story was it can't hold a maintain the slightest sliver of valid comparison next to KotoR, as far as my level of enjoyment is concerned. And I'm not ashamed to admit it.

And no, I would not rather play Wolfenstein 3D than Call of Duty 4 or Doom instead of Bioschock, "classic" status of those titles be damned. And yes, Ocarina of Time does pretty much suck by modern video game standards. Gamers are starting to turn into crotchety, self-important old farts, so stuck in the past that it's "sad" to consider an obviously superior modern title (representing the pinnacle of gameplay evolution) as preferable to such relics.
 
First, I'd like to apologize for (somewhat) starting the flamewar in this thread. (Although I never brought games or Nintendo or durability into it.)

My biggest complaint is when the OP says in the opening post that he likes the PS3 controller and he likes the looks of the PS3, why do people have to come on here and say the PS3 controller sucks and that it looks like some accident from the 80's. You are telling him his opinions are wrong. We all have opinions and we all have a right to our own opinions but you don't have the right to tell me mine or someone else's are wrong!


Faulty comparison; the lowest-end PS3 still has every single thing the "fully functional" XBox 360 Premium has and then some (a bigger hard drive, Blu-ray, and WiFi).

And the high end XBox 360 was $449 last I checked (the Elite).
As mentioned before, I know Japan isn't the rest of the world but... since 'wifi is bad for gaming' you can get a fully functional PS3 with 20GB HDD and Blu-ray for only $225USD. That sure beats the $350 XBox.

How much is the 40GB PS3 selling for? Here it's going for 40,000 yen (about $360USD)

And in regards to durability... my brother has a PS1 that is about 8 years old that is still in perfect condition and has had no problems what-so-ever.


Edit:
Looking prices...
A 360 with HD-DVD, 2 controllers, and wi-fi is $580. Add a couple games and you're looking at $700.

A PS3 with 2 controllers, component cables, and a couple games is $600. Plus you get Spiderman 3.

(Priced at Bestbuy.com)
 
Its also nice to see when people ignore the complaints about the 360....see what I just did there...same thing :).
Because they are the same complaints again and again... PS3 this and 360 that. Plus it is easier to ignore a complaint and bash the other system some more. ;)
 
Some of you guys should know better, and it's obvious you never read my post because some regulars continued to raise to bait, and respond in rather blasé manner.

Lads if you wish to further discussion and answer someone who you disagree with. Do not just post one sentence dismissing them with a :rolleyes:

1. It is rude and disrespectful
2. Changes the mood of the thread completely and
3. Usually moves away from the opening thread topic
4. It is juvenile, and you all should remember we may prefer different things, but we are ENTITLED to do so.
5. Most of the things are personal preference, you can not say some one is 'wrong' for having a preference. Yes there are times when you may feel the need to correct them if their preference is based on no experience or incorrect information. But that's all
6. This thread section became a very bad place a few months back - we all need to remember that and appreciate that this section is not a right we have, but a privilege we share. A turn for the worse and MR Gods & Admin may decide to close the section completely.
7. Remember too that as much as we all have differences, we are people with feels and emotions. So again respect each other. Period.
 
WiFi is bad for gaming. I don't care what anybody says. 802.11g is just not meant for gaming. Why? Because it can fall victim to too many different environment variables that kill the connection. Plus signal strength, or even just sitting the system too close to the TV, can interrupt your signal in some way and drive your ping up to insane levels.

What? I've not got the best connection. 512kbps through a (albeit powerful) wireless router a good 30 or so metres and 2 walls and a floor away. Yet I find it easy playing HL2 deathmatch (ping of 12) and TF2 (ping of 18). I'm looking at the list of other people playing and they're at 5-100 ping. I used to get drops before we bought an N-band router. It's perfect now. I think you need to buy a new router if it's as bad as what you're making it sound...


And no, I would not rather play Wolfenstein 3D than Call of Duty 4 or Doom instead of Bioschock, "classic" status of those titles be damned. And yes, Ocarina of Time does pretty much suck by modern video game standards. Gamers are starting to turn into crotchety, self-important old farts, so stuck in the past that it's "sad" to consider an obviously superior modern title (representing the pinnacle of gameplay evolution) as preferable to such relics.

I would. see I have a problem with games that are trying to be films. Even Mario Galaxy suffers from this, I just want to put the disc in, press play and away I go. So why is it a game with less buttons and easier controls than Mario Sunshine and Mario 64 has to have a longer intro and practice bit? Because they wanted to be cinematic.
That is why I prefer old games. They just get the job done. With the benefit of faster frame rates (my fave) and shorter load times. Just as 2D games are more precise than 3D in terms of controls, the reasons why they added the "homing spin" attack on 3D Sonic games.

Technically The New Mario Bros (DS) is better than Mario 3 or Mario World. But it isn't. Technically a more modern game that is absolute crap in the gameplay is better than something genius like, OoT or FF7.

You're getting "superior games" mixed up with "better technology games" I'm afraid to say.
 
That is why I prefer old games. They just get the job done. With the benefit of faster frame rates (my fave) and shorter load times. Just as 2D games are more precise than 3D in terms of controls, the reasons why they added the "homing spin" attack on 3D Sonic games.

If by "old" games you mean "old Nintendo games," then you are absolutely right. The truth is that PC games used to have enormous load times on anything short of godly machines, and as soon as consoles started implementing disks they had the same issue, i.e. the Playstation, if you want a good example. Makes it near impossible for me to go back and play PS1 games on an actual PS1, as opposed to simply emulating it on my PSP and eliminating said load times.

raggedjimmi said:
Technically The New Mario Bros (DS) is better than Mario 3 or Mario World. But it isn't. Technically a more modern game that is absolute crap in the gameplay is better than something genius like, OoT or FF7.

Ocarina of Time holds up fairly well today, but again that is by and large a Nintendo trait, and even then only in regards to a few titles. Certain games simply hold up better than others, while some - take classics like Goldeneye and Mario Kart for example - play like absolute crap today in light of more modern titles, as far as I am concerned.

And to be honest, Final Fantasy VII seems to me scarcely short of pathetic when played today. The vomit-inducing graphics notwithstanding, the gameplay is dated to the point of irrelevance, and the synthesized epic musical score sounds like garbage now - and yes, I do consider voice acting to be something of a necessity these days, as the level of immersiveness it lends to a story-driven title is incalculable. If you ask me, Final Fantasy VI holds up much better to this day, given its gameplay superiority over VII and the fact that its graphics represented a lasting highmark of 2D (which still remains visually appealing).

raggedjimmi said:
You're getting "superior games" mixed up with "better technology games" I'm afraid to say.

Often games are capable of being superior because of their technology. Honestly, that is what has always driven the Half-Life line to its pinnacle of success. It does what simply could not be done before, and not just in graphical terms, but as extended to gameplay advantages, AI, scripted possibilities, and so forth.
This is most noticeable in the FPS genre, which happens to be my favorite, as you may have noticed. As well as many older 2D titles might hold up today, the same can not be said for shooters. Doom, Wolfenstein, Duke Nukem- even later "real" 3D shooters such as Quake, Goldeneye, and Perfect Dark - they all play, look, sound, and feel like unmitigated crap in comparison with their modern counterparts. Halo 3 does things that simply could not be done before, whether it is in relation to phenomenally superior gameplay or audiovisual immersiveness. And I should not have to even begin to discuss Gears of War. Bioshock obviously goes without saying.

This is not limited to the shooter genre. Having experienced RPG titles to the effect of Knights of the Old Republic, Final Fantasy XII, Jade Empire, and Oblivion, I find it nigh impossible to return to the classics of the PS1 era, let alone the SNES and PC days of yore. Eye of the Beholder may have been the greatest thing in the universe back then, but at this point I find it virtually unplayable, to say nothing of even - dare I say it - Chrono Trigger. Yes, they were titles of unmeasurable glory at the time, but technology has simply afforded us means of story-telling and gameplay far beyond the scope of what could be achieved at that time. Try finding anything on the SNES that can parallel the experience of Shadow of the Colossus, for example. Good luck.

RTS? I have yet to meet anyone that prefers Dune or the original Command and Conquer to Warcraft 3 or Company of Heroes. MMORPG? Ultima Online to World of Warcraft seems like something of a stretch, I would say. Racing? Show me anything on the Genesis or PS1 that could be comparable to the most recent Grand Turismoes, or Burnout for that matter. Survival horror? The original Resident Evil and Silent Hill do not even seem remotely frightening any more, due almost entirely to technical advances in the time since. Stealth action? Find me someone who prefers the original Metal Gear to a newer entry like Snake Eater (I'm sure such a person exists somewhere, but it is certainly not I).

Again, while this is all nothing more than opinion, in my eyes I simply cannot pretend some sort of inherent superiority lies within the titles of days long past. A choice between, say, an NES and an Xbox 360 is to me no choice at all. If offered a DOS-based monster of the early nineties or a modern Alienware beast, my decision would be of little difficulty, to be sure.

Technology does not equate to gameplay, but it is absolutely necessary for true gameplay evolution to occur.
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XBox Live is a bargain. It's 50 bucks per YEAR. I have 2 XBox Live Gamertags, and I've had them for going on 4 years now.

Seriously, XBox Live is great because it costs an annual fee. I play World of Warcraft too because it's a fantastic game, and I'm paying $15 per MONTH for that. I get more than 15 dollars worth of enjoyment out of that every month.

My point is, you really get what you pay for, which is what worries me about the PS3 online service. And do you really think PS3's online play is "free?" It's a ploy. You know that all the best features and/or content is gonna cost you.
Uh-huh.

$50 a year is NOT a "bargain". All MMO's cost monthly; you have to pay for MMO's on TOP of the XBox Live fee.

Microsoft is the ONLY company that charges for online play. Every PC game has had free online play for over a decade, and games on the PC that are ported to the XBox have free online play in the PC version.

Nintendo, Sony, and every PC game maker have free online play.

And no, I would not rather play Wolfenstein 3D than Call of Duty 4 or Doom instead of Bioschock, "classic" status of those titles be damned. And yes, Ocarina of Time does pretty much suck by modern video game standards. Gamers are starting to turn into crotchety, self-important old farts, so stuck in the past that it's "sad" to consider an obviously superior modern title (representing the pinnacle of gameplay evolution) as preferable to such relics.

Games today are trying for a cinematic feel, and while a few successfully integrate it with traditional gameplay, the really frustrating trend is for games to get shorter and easier in favor of looking good.

A lot of games put complex animations that reduce your control of the character. A lot of other games put complex button-mashing sequences to make the characters pull of cool tricks. I dunno, I still enjoy a good, traditional game that makes me think and requires skill and takes time to complete.

Call of Duty 4 I've been told is very short and has a very cool-looking but easy final stage IIRC.

I'd take Ocarina of Time over any modern game, honestly. Yeah, the graphics don't look very good, but you know what? It's got the story, and it makes you think and it has some very good stage design. It's one of the best games of all time.


Some games age better than others. Games that relied on graphics and music don't age as well. Games that relied on the gameplay (Mario 64, Ocarina of Time, any of the 2D Mario titles, etc) age fine.
 
P.S.
And before anyone claims again that technology has nothing to do with gameplay, I would prefer that anyone making such a statement keep a vivid image of the Atari 7800 (or a Magnavox Odyssey, for that matter) firmly captured in the mind all the while. It should help keep things in perspective.
 
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