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I think he's referring to the thread title, the recent debacle that was 16.2 -> pull back HK architecture -> 16.3.1 -> 16.3.2 -> 16.4 HK architecture option restored. Some people upgraded HK architecture under 16.2 and others didn't... then Apple left us all hanging for seven+ weeks until 16.4.

Meanwhile, people like me had broken HomeKit functionality between 16.2 and 16.4 ... seven weeks of daily router and Apple TV reboots to temporarily restore function. For now, everything is working properly again under 16.4.
Makes me wonder if all this smart home is really worth it
 
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Is the new architecture also working on Monterey?
My new HomePod 2 is not available in the Home App on my Mac.

My fear is that the Home App will not work at all after the architecture update.

Can somebody confirm that?
 
Same here - the ‘fix’ was power off/on my 43 home kit devices
Well… to be fair that could have been expected to be needed. Both PCs, Mac’s and phones need a reboot after a firmware upgrade. This is probably on the same scale.

But it would still have been nice if Apple put that as a disclaimer: Do the upgrade and reboot all of your devices in said order: “….”
 
Thankfully, the update worked fine for me, no issues after upgrading. Everything is still working fine, and devices seem slightly faster to respond to verbal commands.
 
would still have been nice if Apple put that as a disclaimer: Do the upgrade and reboot all of your devices

Ummm...

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August use BLE to a small hub (size of a smartplug) that plugs into a nearby wall socket and relays the signal to WiFi.

The BIG problem with August is that their supposed reset mechanism is extraordinarily finicky. It involves like seventeen steps each of which requires three arms to complete, and won't work unless the batteries in the devices are all super fresh. Designed by an utter moron.

So then what happens after a power failure?

Maybe there is nothing wrong with your BLE to August hub connection. Try rebooting your router while the Apple TV and any Home Pods are powered off. Then bring up your Apple hubs after the router comes back online.
Uh, what are you talking about?
Reset has NOTHING to do with power failure. It has to do with the issue of re-pairing a HomeKit device that has already been paired with HomeKit. This may be necessary if
- you move houses/change your entire HomeKit setup OR
- sell/give away the device OR
- Apple has completely fscked up your HomeKit state (my situation) and you are trying to recover.

The issue is that during HomeKit pairing, the device gives HomeKit some sort of unique ID, and once HomeKit knows that ID, you CANNOT "re-pair" the device with HomeKit (even when the rest of HomeKit is so fscked up that it cannot see the device).
So what do you do in this situation? You execute some sort of "reset" operation that generates a new random ID on the device. Look at the details of any HomeKit device, they will tell you how to do this. For most devices it is an easy and trivial operation ("push this button for 30 seconds", "flip this switch fives times rapidly", that sort of thing).
Only for August is is this INCREDIBLY baroque operation that requires unscrewing the device to get into its guts, pushing this button while holding the circuit board in your second hand (because it has been unscrewed from the lock, while moving batteries in and out of the battery holder with your third hand) -- an even then it frequently doesn't work! I have had it work on one device and not on the other. August claim to have escalated the issue to engineering, but I have seen zero results of that escalation.

If you haven't had to perform HomeKit resets, you are lucky. But perhaps realize that that, by its very nature, does not make you an expert on them...
 
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All our home devices are on 16.4 yet it claims my wife is not.

I’ve triple checked everything and it’s all updated. Any clues how to resolve this? (It doesn’t inspire much confidence to upgrade…add to the fact I will no longer be able to manage my mother in laws home remotely until I update hers too).

Is it really worth this agro?

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Everything about it is STILL so fscked up!!!

Here's my current experience⬇️. Every device (iPhone, iPad, Mac) all updated but all unable to update the HomePod.
You'd think after such a disaster the HomeKit team would have put some effort into ensuring that EVERY i was dotted and t was crossed before releasing this, but no.
Same slapdash garbage software (produced by slapdash garbage human beings) as always...
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Makes me wonder if all this smart home is really worth it
Right now, honestly, it is not.
EVERY company in this space (including Apple) is complete and utter garbage. It's fine for monkeying around, but it's an endless time sink because nothing ever works the way it is supposed to (50% Apple fault, 50% device fault) and everything is way too fragile so that it can break on any random update.
 
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Uh, what are you talking about?
Reset has NOTHING to do with power failure.

Um... what are you talking about? I never said that you should "reset" anything.

My suggestion was only about rebooting your router and any Apple Home hubs, which is basically a controlled version of what would happen whenever there is a power failure. And when I simply suggested that you try this reboot, you went off about how many steps to reset your lock, something I never suggested.

So then I simply wondered how if rebooting causes you so much trouble, then what happens when the power goes out on your August hub. (Does that force you to do the enraging 17-step reset?) It was an honest query about your troubles, nothing more.

If you haven't had to perform HomeKit resets, you are lucky.

What are you talking about?! HomeKit since 16.2 and 16.3 has been nothing but hot garbage for me, and I only made a suggestion about a known router/hub reboot procedure that seemed to temporarily get my BLE deadbolt working again within HomeKit when nothing else would.

But perhaps realize that that, by its very nature, does not make you an expert on them...

Realize that your frustration with Apple does not give you a reason to be such a complete jerk to somebody with similar hardware who took the time to make a suggestion only thinking it might help.
 
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The frustrating thing is that in my experience, the new architecture is a massive improvement over the old - so much quicker responses, no 'lost' requests or feedback... but I still can't share my Home with the rest of my family, even though they're all running devices on 16.4
If you updated the architecture in 16.2 and your still having this problem I have bad news for you. You will likely have to clear all your home settings and set up a new home....from scratch. That's the only way I got invites to work after 16.2.
 
I was able to upgrade before they pulled it last time. With that said, I’m still dealing with an inability to add people to my home. Invites just don’t go out. Very frustrating.
If you updated the architecture in 16.2 and your still having this problem I have bad news for you. You will likely have to clear all your home settings and set up a new home....from scratch. That's the only way I got invites to work after 16.2.
 
Some things of note as also identified previously in this string. If you use HomeKit within a family for things to work just right, everyone must be on 16.4. If you have teenagers that can’t update or not use their phone for 30 minutes, they can’t honestly take advantage of the new architecture. In my home for example, my 2 teenagers still show as pending invitation for my Schlage homekey smart lock they were previously using every day. (I also show 3 guest codes for some reason)

Also, and I don’t know why this is, I feel that HomePod stereo pair needs a few reboots before they work correctly. YouTube for example is just plagued with lag after a fresh update. Power off/on 2-3 times usually does the trick. Real Strange to me.
 
I upgraded to the new HomeKit architecture yet not seeing the ability to link to devices via Matter. I have a 1st gen google home mini I got for free and haven’t used because it doesn’t connect (well, used Airfoil but….). I thought matter would allow these types of connections?
 
I upgraded to the new HomeKit architecture yet not seeing the ability to link to devices via Matter. I have a 1st gen google home mini I got for free and haven’t used because it doesn’t connect (well, used Airfoil but….). I thought matter would allow these types of connections?

I don't even know how to tell. I guess if it isn't Matter it doesn't matter :p
 
I don't understand why I don't get the upgrade option... I didn't upgrade before and my iPhone, iPad, AppleTV and Homepods Mini are now all on version 16.4 , but still no upgrade option in the Home app....
 
I don't understand why I don't get the upgrade option... I didn't upgrade before and my iPhone, iPad, AppleTV and Homepods Mini are now all on version 16.4 , but still no upgrade option in the Home app....
It doesn't show when you go into the settings? Click (···) then Home Settings / Software Update ?
 
It doesn't show when you go into the settings? Click (···) then Home Settings / Software Update ?

No, when I go to the Software Update section, I get the message "Checking for updates for the HomePod...." and after a few seconds it displays "This home and all accessories are up to date".




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I did the HomeKit update yesterday and everything seems fine and my Kwikset lock is no longer going offline. Plus everything seems a lot faster to run.
 
I don't understand why I don't get the upgrade option... I didn't upgrade before and my iPhone, iPad, AppleTV and Homepods Mini are now all on version 16.4 , but still no upgrade option in the Home app....
Are you using IPv6? Who knows what's correlated with what, but on a guess I switch off IPv6 on my router and HomePod update started working correctly!

At this point nothing would surprise me, including that the HomePod update server is somehow misconfigured for IPv6 so that devices that want to update kinda sort think it's available by IPv6 (eg valid DNS record), but can't actually download from it (invalid IPv6 config on the server)...
 
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