I have one mail disappear from mail but it is still on my server. I also got a mail showing content from another email. It is kind of scary
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PSA: Apple Mail Bugs Can Lead to Data Loss in macOS Catalina
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Probably about 2% of those commenting on the subject as though the sky is falling down
I mean obviously this bug is indefensible - even though I’ve used every beta and haven’t experienced it, but why are there so many people trolling these forums with the doomsday nonsense? If you hate modern Apple products so much you’d think you would stop reading and posting on these forums at some point no?
Macrumors readers are in ecstasy. They love negative information.
They will not go away. They love to hate.
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This is the best update for many years.
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Goodbye, don't come back.
I'm still on High Sierra because I didn't want to lose access to app management in iTunes. Was looking forward to finally giving up on that battle and upgrading to Catalina, but I think I'll stay with High Sierra a little longer.
Say what you want about Google, but Gmail has been my primary since it was beta (2007?).
Gmail losing email is essentially inconceivable.
Apple messing up anything and everything - very conceivable.
Gmail losing email is essentially inconceivable.
Apple messing up anything and everything - very conceivable.
I’m a big fan of Catalina, though it is a bit rough in spots as yet. I’ve had no problems with mail. I think the tricky thing is, they’ve really strengthened security, by forcing some app functions to work in user space while others are inside a secure area. Those of us with years of cruft on our machines may have some kinds of things going haywire. I have faith that a couple of updates later, it will be an epic release.
I was on the phone with Apple support about my problem for hours today. Everything worked great except... the App Store. I had to download from and external boot with Mojave on it, and install it on my main volume, i thought my problems are over. But. Everything works— but the App Store. The buy buttons are all dimmed and non-responsive. The ”senior” guy was very careful and patient, and he walked me though five or six possible fixes, and none of them worked. He promised to think about it, read and consult, and get back to me.
I was on the phone with Apple support about my problem for hours today. Everything worked great except... the App Store. I had to download from and external boot with Mojave on it, and install it on my main volume, i thought my problems are over. But. Everything works— but the App Store. The buy buttons are all dimmed and non-responsive. The ”senior” guy was very careful and patient, and he walked me though five or six possible fixes, and none of them worked. He promised to think about it, read and consult, and get back to me.
Apple was:
"It Just Works"
Apple is:
"It Works, Just…"
"It Just Works"
Apple is:
"It Works, Just…"
Catalina OS: Because unemployed 737 Max software developers need jobs, too...
Google released a chrome update that literally deleted the /var directory on every Mac like a week ago... implying google software is infallible or something.
no need for mail in 2019
simply say it with an emoji
think different
show some courage
simply say it with an emoji
think different
show some courage
Time to rename 10.15 to macOS Bètalina
10.16 to: macOS Gammalina and
After that, version 10.17: macOS Deltalina 😆
10.16 to: macOS Gammalina and
After that, version 10.17: macOS Deltalina 😆
i can confirm that the behaviors mentioned in the original article are correct
mail will become not findable/missing/deleted/dissapear causing either (1) only headers to show up or (2) when messages are moved in any way they cant be found and probably need to be considered deleted.
any way that mail is moved makes this happen when mail is moved a 2nd time. moving mail by any way: (1) using the Move To icon in the menu bar (2) through Rules or (3) through drag/drop can all cause this.
the only way that Mail is currently useable (in a reliable way) is if incoming email is left on the server and not downloaded to your computer locally.
having said that, my email can seem to handle being downloaded off the server into a local mailbox/folder the first time it is moved/downloaded to a mailbox/folder locally.
but the same mail may (usually?) become lost if its moved to a different (2nd) mailbox/folder at any point later.
in my setup, i have 4 mail accounts, all IMAP, but i choose to always download mail from the server and store it in various local mailboxes/folders on my mac. Catalina Mail will download and apply my rules to get the email into the right local mailbox/folder. it is stable there. it won't be lost.
but when/if you move that mail subsequently, it either will lose its content (showing only headers) or become totally missing (not findable - probably deleted, but certainly not accessible).
since i was able to confirm the above problem, i havent done any more experimenting with it to know if happens all the time, or just some of the time.
additionally, i can also confirm that doing a restore of new mail downloaded into local mailbox/folder that becomes subsequently lost can in fact be restored from Time Machine as i have done that for 1 (one ! critical mail that was lost through xfer to a different folder by Rules). took 20 minutes to get it back, but it does work.
the confusion on this point cited in the macrumors article probably stems from the timing of the Time Machine backups. if there was a Time Machine backup done after the email got onto your system (initially safely),it is of course backed up by Time Machine, and fully recoverable.
there is something wrong in the way that Mail is tracking the email as it gets moved around internally.
as a workaround, for all email that are critical i simply now drag to the desktop all mail i need to have for critical work, to ensure i have a copy (albeit on the desktop...).
in many other (less critical) aspects, Catalina Mail appears very rough and not finished as a product. many controls are missing that simply should be there.
its almost like they took iOS Mail and through the Project Catalyst black box made a mac version that doesnt work...on a mac.
mail will become not findable/missing/deleted/dissapear causing either (1) only headers to show up or (2) when messages are moved in any way they cant be found and probably need to be considered deleted.
any way that mail is moved makes this happen when mail is moved a 2nd time. moving mail by any way: (1) using the Move To icon in the menu bar (2) through Rules or (3) through drag/drop can all cause this.
the only way that Mail is currently useable (in a reliable way) is if incoming email is left on the server and not downloaded to your computer locally.
having said that, my email can seem to handle being downloaded off the server into a local mailbox/folder the first time it is moved/downloaded to a mailbox/folder locally.
but the same mail may (usually?) become lost if its moved to a different (2nd) mailbox/folder at any point later.
in my setup, i have 4 mail accounts, all IMAP, but i choose to always download mail from the server and store it in various local mailboxes/folders on my mac. Catalina Mail will download and apply my rules to get the email into the right local mailbox/folder. it is stable there. it won't be lost.
but when/if you move that mail subsequently, it either will lose its content (showing only headers) or become totally missing (not findable - probably deleted, but certainly not accessible).
since i was able to confirm the above problem, i havent done any more experimenting with it to know if happens all the time, or just some of the time.
additionally, i can also confirm that doing a restore of new mail downloaded into local mailbox/folder that becomes subsequently lost can in fact be restored from Time Machine as i have done that for 1 (one ! critical mail that was lost through xfer to a different folder by Rules). took 20 minutes to get it back, but it does work.
the confusion on this point cited in the macrumors article probably stems from the timing of the Time Machine backups. if there was a Time Machine backup done after the email got onto your system (initially safely),it is of course backed up by Time Machine, and fully recoverable.
there is something wrong in the way that Mail is tracking the email as it gets moved around internally.
as a workaround, for all email that are critical i simply now drag to the desktop all mail i need to have for critical work, to ensure i have a copy (albeit on the desktop...).
in many other (less critical) aspects, Catalina Mail appears very rough and not finished as a product. many controls are missing that simply should be there.
its almost like they took iOS Mail and through the Project Catalyst black box made a mac version that doesnt work...on a mac.
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This is highly necessary.
Till now I count over the last years exactly 18 BUGs in Apple MAIL – with Catalina the 20 will be filled, I fear – maybe they do not work with Mail anymore??
well, I will be staying on Mojave for a good while, that's for sure
Annual updates are the problem. You can't do 18+ months of development work in 12 months. You can do 12 months worth, and then 6 months of what is essentially incomplete software as point releases.
It took 8 years to progress through Panther, Tiger, Leopard, Snow Leopard, and Lion. In the next 8 years we had Mountain Lion, Mavericks, Yosemite, El Capitan, Sierra, High Sierra, Mojave and Catalina.
Fifteen years ago we used to mock companies with 12 month release cycles. Now we (and the market) have become addicted to it. Apple has had three pauses to tidy up code - Snow Leopard, Mountain Lion and High Sierra. I predict they will do one more major release before releasing a tidy up version.
It took 8 years to progress through Panther, Tiger, Leopard, Snow Leopard, and Lion. In the next 8 years we had Mountain Lion, Mavericks, Yosemite, El Capitan, Sierra, High Sierra, Mojave and Catalina.
Fifteen years ago we used to mock companies with 12 month release cycles. Now we (and the market) have become addicted to it. Apple has had three pauses to tidy up code - Snow Leopard, Mountain Lion and High Sierra. I predict they will do one more major release before releasing a tidy up version.
This will be the first time I’ll hold on updating. Probably until 2020. The latest iOS and macOS releases have so many bugs, it’s not worth it.
Reminds me a lot of the Leopard release.
Better to give new OS releases no matter the platform, a month (if low change) or more if there are a lot of changes. Both iOS and MacOS had big changes this year, so more time.
I'd wait till December before upgrading to either. JMHO. If you have a new iPhone etc your stuck but that's part of getting one first (I have an 11).
Better to give new OS releases no matter the platform, a month (if low change) or more if there are a lot of changes. Both iOS and MacOS had big changes this year, so more time.
I'd wait till December before upgrading to either. JMHO. If you have a new iPhone etc your stuck but that's part of getting one first (I have an 11).
Much better to throw some aggrandized outrage at the man and have that feel-good blip of power that's otherwise lacking. For a few minutes, anyway.