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Ok. So I guess I’m reading that 17.1 isn’t actually live yet? My bad. Must be the RC? I wasn’t sure because the update didn’t say beta update like it usually does. Anyway. Hope they fix it soon. I haven’t had issues with not being on for my alarms, so that’s good. But something that’s not Apple’s fault is me just snoozing or turning them off…

Final version due to release next Tuesday.
 
I think the past month or so, coming on the heels of several years of ahem rough releases, shows that it's time for Apple to start employing professional beta testers again, instead of relying on the free labor of unpaid volunteers. As the old expression goes, you get what you pay for. Unless you're buying a new Apple product on .0 release, it seems.
 
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People survived before mobile phones.
Yeah...time to break out the backup phone-on-the-go:

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So... There's this thing in call phones (all of 'em): The carrier section that owns the sim (or soft-sim nowadays) and controls connection to wireless infrastructure. This is an enclave of chips and code over which the carrier has total jurisdiction. It's goings-on are totally separate from the normal OS and UI in the rest of the device. There's no conventional way for ordinary users to control, view or audit what happens there, because the rest of the phone isn't even aware of it; the rest of the phone knows only that there's active transceiver interface (its dial-tone, if you will.)

So... A phone appears to power off. What powers it back on? OK, we know there's no such thing as power-really-off-off, just states of standby. So, what is running in there that drops service to an off-like state, but has enough control to resume or reboot? And what might such a process be doing while its playing opossum?

Ya know who DOES have authority to control, view or audit what happens in the carrier section (besides the carrier, of course)? People with Stingrays or Crossbows.

Ya know who DOES have authority to start an iPhone from what is ostensibly its deepest state of standby? Apple inventory clerks, using their new Patch-O-Matic to update iOS on phones still shrinkwrapped in their boxes.

It's not a huge reach that a mix of carrier and vendor software could have been glitching restarts and standbys over the years as updates roll out, some perhaps specifically for such contingencies. And of course, there's no telling how much black-on-black subterfuge phone vendors have to play along with, in the interests of national security - which is increasingly at risk.

Or maybe it's just dumb battery software losing its **** because of the latest calendar calculation bug. I don't get worked up, way or another. I like toys. Apple makes pretty good toys. Every toy is flawed. How it is.
 
This seems to be one of those bugs that is really hard to track down as it seemingly affects devices randomly. For example, nobody I know is having this issue - including multiple friends who have upgraded to an iPhone 15 (both Pro and regular). On the flip side, this is obviously happening to a fair amount of other people - so what exactly is the root cause? Is it a hardware issue that for some reason didn't crop up until iOS 17, is it software related to 3rd party apps, etc.?

I know many here will hate to hear this, but software is hard, and especially operating systems as large and complex as iOS. While it does appear that Apple's QC has been slipping that past few years, Apple's software has also gotten more and more complex during that time. Perhaps Apple should take a step back and try to simplify things? But that is also no easy task, especially when you have users complaining when OS updates seem "minor." Then again, you also have users who complain that Apple shouldn't release new features and have a Snow Leopard-esque update for iOS and macOS - so basically Apple is stuck b/w a rock and a hard place.

This isn't to excuse Apple and this fairly significant bug, but just to point out that not only are bugs inevitable, but sometimes they can be really hard to track down when there doesn't seem to be a pattern to them.
 
iOS 17 has been nothing short of a disaster.
Haven't had any issues on my end with iOS 17, so... 🤷‍♂️

With that being said, my Apple Watch battery has gone to **** since I updated it to WatchOS 10. Hoping that'll get straightened out with 10.1, but we'll see (and I'm not holding my breath).
 
I have this problem with the last beta, everyday morning was asking the code and reconnecting to WiFi, but now ok with the RC.
 
Have had this happen for a long time on 13 mini, never really thought about it.
Exactly! The kind of a "glitch" that seems too odd and sporadic, just my glitch, my own isolated observation... Until one zooms out, discerns the hidden pattern, like an M.C. Escher picture... Something is out there... Does anyone remember "Maximum Overdrive?" :eek: Movie made to obfuscate news documentary, man! Hey, where'd that black 1987 Ford LTD Crown Victoria come from. Oh, that gentleman has a flashy thing...
 
I've woken up needing to put in my passcode, but never a break in the battery graph.
iOS and MacOS will demand the passcode at least once each week, or after 48 hours since any unlock. So everyone enters their passcode at least once a week regardless of the "uptime" of the OS.
 
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No issues like this on my 15 PM yet, AOD off, don't use Standby, I charge with MagSafe and optimized charging is always off.

No issues on 17.0.2, 17.0.3, 17.1 B3 or 17.1 RC, M1 iPad Pro is fine as well. Also used iOS 17 since B1 on my 14 PM and never had this issue on that phone either.
 
I would get it replaced.

I’m thinking about it, that night it drained from 100% while turned off, that was the very first charging cycle of the device. It’s new. It’s less than 3 weeks old and last night drained again with nothing open and in low power and airplane mode. I’ll wait a bit longer to see if it levels out or improves. I’m wondering if it’s iOS17…
 
And some of us still do
Wish I still did. Lots of folks these days, lots in here, have never heard a real full-duplex phone call. One can’t run out to those merely old-fashioned “pay phones”, with their dog-bone handsets, to compare; they’re actually cell phones, too. And remember how gross shared phones got? Geez Louise, public phones were disgusting, like bus station bathroom gross. Ask a Golgafrinchan.
 
Anyone else notice volume is a total wonk-show? Randomly keyboard clicks will become super loud requiring a reboot to fix. Phone calls will randomly become so quiet everyone is a whisper. Music goes up or down depending on the song. It’s remarkably crazy, completely random and a reboot or sometimes hard reset is only fix. first time for everything these days.
 
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Been having the shutdown issue for a while now on my 14PM, but it used to be happening like twice a month or something. Now it seems to be happening a lot more often. Maybe it’s just me being more attentive though. Last night it was out again. It’s starting to really bother me.
 
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