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Is that alright? No. Is it a crime? I don't know. That's not clear in that case just as it's not clear in the case of installing OSX on non-Apple computers. All we know now is that it's a breach of contract. It might be something more, but it's just not clear.

And what should the consequences of this breach of contract be? I would think cease and desist at the very minimum. Isn't that sufficient?

I just don't think this is an accurate description of what's going on, even if there were piracy involved. Psystar isn't selling, and doesn't claim to sell Mac clones. They sell and claim to sell PCs on which different OSs can be installed and run.

They preinstall mac osx, not hardware that can run OSX. Even the latter would at least be a trademark violation, you can't certify hardware for someone elses software unless that company has permitted you to do so (which is also what it appears they are doing for other vendors now).
 
So, you Nike-cloner, are a pirate! Not for reselling the "Sikes attachements", but for:

1. Impersonating a final user.

Whoa!?! Hold on a minute. Now this is getting really strange. I've bought PCs from retail stores with Windows pre-installed on them. Is it your position that the manufacturers of those PCs are pirates because they "answer[ed] a question that can only be answered by the final user"? So, on your view, then, all computer manufacturers that pre-install software on PCs are pirates because they are "violating the 'final user' right to say No to the EULA." I don't think you can seriously defend this view.

2. Making a customer to break the law without even knowing.

Again, what law is being broken? Besides the fact that somebody somewhere is breaching a contract, what criminal law has been violated? The view that's been expressed here has been that if you breach the contract you have no right to do anything with the software, let alone have it installed, and thus any installations are in violation of copyright law.

That view translates to the general view that any software EULA violation entails a breach of contract and a criminal act–namely piracy. Is that your view?

So, on your view, during the time before Apple removed the unusual limitation in the Windows version of the Safari EULA, everyone that installed Safari on a Windows machine was a EULA violator and a criminal–namely, they were guilty of piracy.

3. Selling a Sike-clone without permission. Faking a Sike-clone.

But, that's a controversial issue. How is it the case that I've sold a Sike-clone? My brown shoes without the Sike attachment aren't clones of any Sike shoes? How do they become clones of a Sike shoe when the Sike attachment is, well, attached.

Suppose two individuals cross paths in the park. One is wearing Sikes and the other is wearing a pair of flip-flops. They start chatting and the Sike-wearer asks the flip-flop-wearer if he wants to try out his Sike attachment. The flip-flip-wearer says 'yes' and attaches the Sike attachment to his flip-flops. Has the act of piracy been committed? Are the flip-flops now Sike-clones?
 
anyone knows what this simbol means????


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I take is you just mean to refer to this symbol-type "®" and not the entire unnecessary mass. In any event, since we're talking about copyright stuff here I don't know what "®" has to do with things since that's the trademark symbol and it just designates that a certain other symbol or collection of letters or words has been registered with the trademark office and the owner of a certain trademark can file civil suit against somebody making an unauthorized use of their trademark.

In other words, it doesn't have anything whatever to do with hardware, software, or what software can be installed on what hardware. I think you're looking for this "©". Close though.
 
Suppose two individuals cross paths in the park. One is wearing Sikes and the other is wearing a pair of flip-flops. They start chatting and the Sike-wearer asks the flip-flop-wearer if he wants to try out his Sike attachment. The flip-flip-wearer says 'yes' and attaches the Sike attachment to his flip-flops. Has the act of piracy been committed? Are the flip-flops now Sike-clones?

Most people here (myself included) probably can't go into the details of any law being broken, but can a corporation in clear breach of contract be allowed to continue in breach of that contract?

I now make cereal, and I like Sugar Crisp, so I buy boxes of Sugar Crisp and mix the contents with my cereal and sell it. Should I be allowed to continue selling it? How long should the courts take to decide my fate? I don't think anyone cares if there is a breach of contract at the individual level and the consumer may be able to argue fair use or something like that, but once you get into businesses that are profiting off of products that are not their own, you have a problem.
 
I take is you just mean to refer to this symbol-type "®" and not the entire unnecessary mass. In any event, since we're talking about copyright stuff here I don't know what "®" has to do with things since that's the trademark symbol and it just designates that a certain other symbol or collection of letters or words has been registered with the trademark office and the owner of a certain trademark can file civil suit against somebody making an unauthorized use of their trademark.

Like "certifying" OSX compatibility?
 
One interesting aspect that doesn't seem to be explored yet is what will people who buy this stuff do when they have problems with the OS? If you have a Mac and you have problems with whatever areas of OSx, you can call Apple and there can try to help you and your problem might be fixed by an OSx fix. If you buy one of these Psystar machines (or one from yet another 3rd party) and you have a problem with OSx, Apple is not going to help you. No business in their right mind would buy a psystar machine knowing that Apple will not support it nor fix any problems. Businesses expect support for their machines.

Apple can also go the route of the license key like Microsoft does and double or triple the price of OSx at retail. There are still lots of options for Apple aside from the courts. They could add still more code into OSx to thwart the likes of Psystar.

The kind of idiots that have trouble with an Apple OS are probably not the same people who would be interested in a niche, customized Hackintosh, as seems to be Psystar's target audience. I was in a classroom full of design students with Macbook Pros, and every problem that arose with the laptops was hardware-related, not software/OS-related.

I applaud Psystar for bringing light to the fact that there are markets for OS X that Apple has not touched: thrifty consumers that prefer OS X but don't need top-of-the-line next-gen components, or an integrated monitor, or any strange Jobs-esque designs. I'd love to build a Hackintosh to get my parents into the OS X environment, and a Psystar machine would be a hassle-free alternative.
 
I'm so unclear as to why so many people are against this.

Let's imagine this: Microsoft "declares" that its software can only be used on non-Apple branded computers. no more bootcamp, no Office for the Mac. That would be pretty lame of them wouldn't it? People would be on hear in a heartbeat calling them monopolistic monsters. Apple does this and everyone cheers them on??

What happened to looking out for our best interest......as the consumers? We sit here and complain about this piece of software, or that piece of hardware, that doesn't work on our Mac's, but then defend the closed system that Apple promotes.

Don't get me wrong, I own several Mac's. I just happen to believe that competition is a good thing and non-Apple branded machines that run OS X might, just might, make Apple take a second look at the limited offerings they have for us......as consumers.

MS makes money because they charge a helluva lot more for their operating system and they control with an iron fist how it gets installed and licensed.

Is that really what you want to see happen to Apple? We have to jump through 10 hoops to activate OS X on every upgrade? We have four different flavors of OS X depending on whether we are a casual user or a power user? Upgrades cost $150 instead of $29 and take four hours to install instead of 30 minutes?

We have instability caused by Apple having to provide software for untested hardware? We have application vendors no longer able to test on a handful of Mac platforms and know that it's as solid as a rock?

This might be what you want but it is not what most Mac users want... not by a long shot.

I see a lot of talk about how the EU is going to champion Psystar in this since the EULA might not hold up there. Let's see a Russian or Chinese company build a knock off of the Airbus and pirate the Airbus systems software to run on it. See what the EU does then... it would be open economic warfare.

Yet when someone rips Apple off so cheapskates can save a few bucks on a computer the deadbeats of the world rise up and cheer them for it. It's the same rationale that people use when they steal DVDs off of the internet, "I wouldn't steal them but they are so expensive I have no choice!" :rolleyes:
 
There's a lot of argument about whether the existing EULA is violated or not. Let's assume for a minute, Apple has every right to include the hardware limitation in its EULA. Then, the following is pretty easy to see - even for a casual observer (non-lawyer types and the like ;) ):

In the case of Psystar pre-installing OS-X: it doesn't matter whether or not they actually bought the retail box. I suspect they did. But, they didn't buy OS-X - they bought a license to install and use OS-X. The minute they click "ok" agreeing to the EULA, they have broken the software license contract. Since the contract specifically prohibits installation on non-Apple hardware, they have no valid license for OS-X.

In the case where the end user provides their own copy: they also violate the EULA by installing OS-X on non-Apple hardware.

Now, in both cases where OS-X is preinstalled or left to the customer (end-user) to install, Psystar selling the bootloader [in order to run OS-X] violates DMCA by circumventing OS-X's methods of verifying it's on Mac hardware. They probably are also violating the open-source license by selling it with or (now) without hardware.

If someone dislikes the EULA, that doesn't make it invalid. That's up to the court to decide. It's still Apple's contract for use of their software. My understanding of the court case is whether Apple can include the limitation in the EULA. If it's upheld, then the rest (as I feebly attempted to describe above) is obvious.

My personal opinion is Apple can do what it likes - it's their product and their business (within the law, of course). If people don't like their product - buy something else. You don't have a right to demand anything (as I've seen posted repeatedly here). The customer can provide feedback, change their buying habits, blog about it, etc., but Apple is under no obligation to pay any attention. If Apple doesn't see a benefit to the way they are doing business (i.e. binding OS-X to specific h/w), they will change it - or not. It's up to them.

I'm also a stockholder, so I have a vested interest in Apple doing well. I have zero doubt binding the hardware to OS-X is of GREAT importance to the success of the Mac. I'm pretty sure Apple will prevail in this case, though I've been blindsided by the legal system before.
 
Most people here (myself included) probably can't go into the details of any law being broken, but can a corporation in clear breach of contract be allowed to continue in breach of that contract?

If there's no legal way to stop them, then they're going to, nevermind whether they're allowed to; whatever being allowed means. For what it's worth, I don't think Apple's in the wrong for going after them.

Also, I'm really just trying to address the narrow claim that's come up here a few times that installing OSX on non-Apple hardware is piracy.
 
Why should I cave to Apple's demands when I have all these x86-based options now?
Eh, because you want to use Apple's software?:confused:

People don't like it. And guess what people do when they disagree with authority? They protest it. That's what Pystar's doing. That's what anyone who buys a Pystar machine is doing. And that's why we're doing it: Protest.

YA! ANARCHY!!!! I don't agree with you so I'm going to do whatever I want!:rolleyes:
You want to protest? DON'T BUY A MAC.
You want a mac without paying for one? Too bad.
 
Like "certifying" OSX compatibility?

I'm pretty sure using the terms "OSX", "Mac OS X", "Leopard", "Snow Leopard", "Mac" or whatever else in sentences where its asserted that compatibility is certified falls under fair use of a trademark.

There's a lot of argument about whether the existing EULA is violated or not. Let's assume for a minute, Apple has every right to include the hardware limitation in its EULA. Then, the following is pretty easy to see - even for a casual observer (non-lawyer types and the like ;) ):

In the case of Psystar pre-installing OS-X: it doesn't matter whether or not they actually bought the retail box. I suspect they did. But, they didn't buy OS-X - they bought a license to install and use OS-X. The minute they click "ok" agreeing to the EULA, they have broken the software license contract. Since the contract specifically prohibits installation on non-Apple hardware, they have no valid license for OS-X.

In the case where the end user provides their own copy: they also violate the EULA by installing OS-X on non-Apple hardware.

Now, in both cases where OS-X is preinstalled or left to the customer (end-user) to install, Psystar selling the bootloader [in order to run OS-X] violates DMCA by circumventing OS-X's methods of verifying it's on Mac hardware. They probably are also violating the open-source license by selling it with or (now) without hardware.

If someone dislikes the EULA, that doesn't make it invalid. That's up to the court to decide. It's still Apple's contract for use of their software. My understanding of the court case is whether Apple can include the limitation in the EULA. If it's upheld, then the rest (as I feebly attempted to describe above) is obvious.

My personal opinion is Apple can do what it likes - it's their product and their business (within the law, of course). If people don't like their product - buy something else. You don't have a right to demand anything (as I've seen posted repeatedly here). The customer can provide feedback, change their buying habits, blog about it, etc., but Apple is under no obligation to pay any attention. If Apple doesn't see a benefit to the way they are doing business (i.e. binding OS-X to specific h/w), they will change it - or not. It's up to them.

I'm also a stockholder, so I have a vested interest in Apple doing well. I have zero doubt binding the hardware to OS-X is of GREAT importance to the success of the Mac. I'm pretty sure Apple will prevail in this case, though I've been blindsided by the legal system before.

Surprisingly to many, I'm actually in agreement with this post. Again, I'm really just interested in the copyright infringement claims in the cases where legitimate copies of OSX have been purchased.

As to the "Apple doing well" bit, I don't what Apple economically hurt as a company. My wife and I own two Macbooks and two iPhones. We buy lots of stuff on iTunes and so on. Before my interest in Macs and after I've been committed to not buying Mac desktops. As it stands, Apple simply will not get my business as a desktop user through their offerings. That being the case, I'm essentially giving them money by buying Leopard family packs for use with my Hackintosh builds. I use the computers I want, with the OS I like, and Apple gets money they otherwise simply would not get. If I couldn't install OSX on my home-made computers I'd be perfectly content using Windows and Apple would get zero business from me in those respects.

As a side note, I do find it a bit odd when I talk to people with hacked iPhones that are passionately against Hackintosh systems and talk about the illegality of such systems. Hacked iPhones run into the exact same legal controversies. Oddly enough, there's an entire section in this very forum devoted to hacked iPhones and very little discussion of the legality of hacking iPhones.
 
Really seems like a gray area here, but Apple's likely to make it a "Apple-area" if they can get that far. I personally am okay with OSX being runnable on non-Macs as long as the property is respected and quality is maintained. Many reports suggest that isn't the case.
 
MS makes money because they charge a helluva lot more for their operating system and they control with an iron fist how it gets installed and licensed.

Are you serious? One of the complaints about MS is the crapware 3rd party resellers put on the OS. Microsofts' biggest problem has always been too open with the way the OS operates. DLL hell is a fault of developers not following MS's development guidelines. Microsoft only cares that the OS is licenced, they don't care how companies install it. In fact, I think they've gone out of their way allowing companies to modify the installations in order to mass roll out implementations.

Is that really what you want to see happen to Apple? We have to jump through 10 hoops to activate OS X on every upgrade?

Registering Windows is one screen. Enter the license key and click next? How is that 10 hoops? Have you ever installed Windows?

We have four different flavors of OS X depending on whether we are a casual user or a power user? Upgrades cost $150 instead of $29 and take four hours to install instead of 30 minutes?

Snow Leopard is the first upgrade ever to cost $29, and you treat it like you've had that luxury forever. Every other upgrade has cost $129. I've never spent more than $99 on a Windows upgrade.

We have instability caused by Apple having to provide software for untested hardware? We have application vendors no longer able to test on a handful of Mac platforms and know that it's as solid as a rock?

What you call instability, I call cowardice. Apple can't even support hardware (PPC) that is 5 years old. I've put Windows 7 on hardware far older than that with no problems. Apple has to support a handfull of hardware configurations, and Windows supports millions.

This might be what you want but it is not what most Mac users want... not by a long shot.

I'm pretty sure PPC users want to be able to ugrade hardware that still works and not put into obsolecense via lack of support. Those people also made an investment in Apple in order to support Apple's development of OSX. What did they get?
 
Really seems like a gray area here, but Apple's likely to make it a "Apple-area" if they can get that far. I personally am okay with OSX being runnable on non-Macs as long as the property is respected and quality is maintained. Many reports suggest that isn't the case.

A little piece of history that is often forgotten is that Apple actually looked into licensing the software for the original Mac OS 8 boxes and ultimately decided against it because a cheap knockoff of a Mac, runnong OS 8, 9, X, etc, is not a Mac.

http://www.macobserver.com/archive/1997/august.shtml

While this happened 12 years ago I am sure it is still fresh in the mind of many at Apple including Senor Jobsie himself.

Apple puts a lot of resources into polishing their hardware and their software and getting their systems as stable and reliable as possible.

The minute you start licensing to every idiot with a screwdriver and an account at Newegg you start to water down the user experience.

Apple isn't going to do that, at least not for a long, long time.
 
Whoa!?! Hold on a minute. Now this is getting really strange. I've bought PCs from retail stores with Windows pre-installed on them. Is it your position that the manufacturers of those PCs are pirates because they "answer[ed] a question that can only be answered by the final user"? So, on your view, then, all computer manufacturers that pre-install software on PCs are pirates because they are "violating the 'final user' right to say No to the EULA." I don't think you can seriously defend this view.

OEMs have special distributions of Windows. Those are not retail distributions and they allow OEM to install the product.

But, to be fair, OEM Windows, only can be installed on the computer you purchased from the manufacturer that gave it to you. If you take your OEM Windows from your Dell and install it in your HP you are violating the EULA.

If you try to sell your OEM windows without the computer, you also violate the user agreement.

Retail Windows have a different agreement, because it is to the final user, not to the OEM.

Again, what law is being broken? Besides the fact that somebody somewhere is breaching a contract, what criminal law has been violated? The view that's been expressed here has been that if you breach the contract you have no right to do anything with the software, let alone have it installed, and thus any installations are in violation of copyright law.

Yes! but there is a problem here. In some countries EULAs are not bounding, unless they have a specific way of doing them.

AThat view translates to the general view that any software EULA violation entails a breach of contract and a criminal act–namely piracy. Is that your view?

Again, a violation can be criminal in some countries, like USA, but not in other places.


So, on your view, during the time before Apple removed the unusual limitation in the Windows version of the Safari EULA, everyone that installed Safari on a Windows machine was a EULA violator and a criminal–namely, they were guilty of piracy.

No. That was a human error.

Laws are made in order to provide FAIR. Not in order to find guilty people.

Which means, if an entity thinks it has been treated unfairly can find protection on the law. Finding guilty people is a side effect of enforcing the right of the entity (person/people) that is complaining.

In that case, Apple made a mistake, because it placed the wrong user agreement. That's a human mistake, and there was no intention to do it.

Having or not having intention to do something is a very big deal in Law.

If we were computers, then everyone who agreed to that Safari Windows EULA was a wrong doer, but we are not.

And there was no case about it, because nor Apple, nor the client asked for a settlement.

It is very different in the Pystar case, because:

1. Pystar has intention.
2. Pystar is trying to trick the system.
3. Apple is complaining. Apple feels Pystar is violating its rights.

But, that's a controversial issue. How is it the case that I've sold a Sike-clone? My brown shoes without the Sike attachment aren't clones of any Sike shoes? How do they become clones of a Sike shoe when the Sike attachment is, well, attached.

Suppose two individuals cross paths in the park. One is wearing Sikes and the other is wearing a pair of flip-flops. They start chatting and the Sike-wearer asks the flip-flop-wearer if he wants to try out his Sike attachment. The flip-flip-wearer says 'yes' and attaches the Sike attachment to his flip-flops. Has the act of piracy been committed? Are the flip-flops now Sike-clones?

Just selling the Sike-shoes is copyright infringement. So it is bad.

However, you can sell just shoes that look a lot like the original, but they are a bit different and it is not copyright infringement. Unless, you, as the Sike creator can prove there is intention to rip off your product. Pystar did that, when they bundled copies, install them and advertise as Mac-clones.

Imagine, if Pystar sells its clones without telling anyone they are capable or running Mac OS X. No advertising shows it. However, one day, a user finds out they can.

Here, Pystar is innocent, unless Apple can prove Pystar is intentionally trying to rip Apple off. This case is more difficult, because Pystar can allege they did not know and Mac compatibility is a side effect.

But in this case is more than evident. Pystar wants to benefit from Mac brand, without incurring in the costs to develop the brand.

And about the Side-shoes trade. Yes, there is a violation of the EULA by the end user.

No, the flip-flops are not sike-clones, because they are flip-flops. They are not advertised as the real deal, even if they might look a lot like. You might say, they are "inspired".

That's the case of Windows vs Mac. Microsoft won because even though Windows looked a lot like the Mac, it was not advertised, not implied, not compatible with Mac. In fact, they were just look alike, and with an old cooperation agreement (stupidly signed by Apple years ago for another matter), Microsoft won. Apple, could not prove intention.
 
Are you serious? One of the complaints about MS is the crapware 3rd party resellers put on the OS. Microsofts' biggest problem has always been too open with the way the OS operates. DLL hell is a fault of developers not following MS's development guidelines. Microsoft only cares that the OS is licenced, they don't care how companies install it. In fact, I think they've gone out of their way allowing companies to modify the installations in order to mass roll out implementations.

I've seen plenty of driver crashes and BSODS where the driver was either supplied by or signed by MS. Yes, crappy 3rd party companies cause a lot of problems but MS does not get off that easily.

Registering Windows is one screen. Enter the license key and click next? How is that 10 hoops? Have you ever installed Windows?

Yeah, I'm an MCSE, maybe you should look that up. You are wrong about a single screen to activate Windows. Your Internet is down, get on the phone and call MS to get Windows activated. Swap out the NIC in your box due to repair, call to reactivate. Order an OEM copy and change a few hardware bits out such as the graphics card, buy an entirely new copy because they won't let you transfer an OEM license between hardware configurations.

I know all about MS activation procedures, but thanks for playing.

Snow Leopard is the first upgrade ever to cost $29, and you treat it like you've had that luxury forever. Every other upgrade has cost $129. I've never spent more than $99 on a Windows upgrade.

The point is that you pay $29, or $129 and you get a full installable copy of the operating system with ALL of the features. A Windows 7 Ultimate upgrade DVD costs $220. A full install license costs $320. You are so far off the mark here I don't even know where to start. Let's not even forget to mention that Windows 7 is basically a big ass bandaid for Vista screwups and they still have the nerve to charge these prices. If you bought XP in 2005 for $200 and keep the software current with all the features, you are out another $400 for Vista Ultimate and Win 7 Ultimate licenses. That's $600. If you bought Tiger (included in every Mac at that time) and upgraded to Leopard and then to Snow Leopard, you are out $158.

Maybe you buy the cheapest OEM upgrade option you can get, but if you are changing hardware between releases, etc, then you aren't playing by MS rules and they consider you a Pirate. If you buy a new machine or change out a certain amount of hardware you get to buy a new Windows license. Yippee.

What you call instability, I call cowardice. Apple can't even support hardware (PPC) that is 5 years old. I've put Windows 7 on hardware far older than that with no problems. Apple has to support a handfull of hardware configurations, and Windows supports millions.

Here's a news flash, Leopard works great and Power PC users need to get over the fact that their 5 year old boxes can't run a next gen OS.

I'm pretty sure PPC users want to be able to ugrade hardware that still works and not put into obsolecense via lack of support. Those people also made an investment in Apple in order to support Apple's development of OSX. What did they get?

I'm pretty sure this has nothing to do with the argument at hand, but you keep bringing it up anyway.
 
Most people here (myself included) probably can't go into the details of any law being broken, but can a corporation in clear breach of contract be allowed to continue in breach of that contract?

I now make cereal, and I like Sugar Crisp, so I buy boxes of Sugar Crisp and mix the contents with my cereal and sell it. Should I be allowed to continue selling it? How long should the courts take to decide my fate? I don't think anyone cares if there is a breach of contract at the individual level and the consumer may be able to argue fair use or something like that, but once you get into businesses that are profiting off of products that are not their own, you have a problem.

That's the problem with fair game. Imagine the opposite.

Imagine you are the creator, and someone else accuse you of stealing the idea. Would it be fair for you as a creator to stop your company and go broke while you have to defend yourself?

Until the thing is settled, there is nothing someone can do about it.

But usually, when the thing finishes, and money is paid, someone goes out of business.
 
Certainly, installing OSX on non-Apple hardware is a violation of the OSX EULA. Nobody can contest that, and in that sense it's illegal as to contract law. But, is violating the EULA the same is committing piracy, and thus illegal as to criminal law? I'm not so sure.

I'm certain that loads of people have performed non-upgrade installations to Snow Leopard on their Macs with the $30 copy of Snow Leopard they bought at the Apple store. Are those people EULA violators, pirates, or both? If what's being said in this thread is right, they're pirates and EULA violators.

Furthermore, with respect to software, if what's being said in this thread is correct, it's difficult for me to understand how anyone can just be a EULA violator (as opposed to a EULA violator and a pirate). It seems that if what's being said in this thread is correct, then every EULA violator is also a pirate/criminal.

When you go to an Apple Store, hand over some cash, and leave with a box with MacOS X, you haven't actually purchased that box yet: The sale agreement is conditional on you accepting the terms of Apple's SLA (Software License Agreement). If you don't accept the license terms, you have the right to return the box and get your money back. Psystar clearly doesn't accept the license terms, so there is no sale of the software and Psystar has no right to make any copies. Any copy of the software made means copyright infringement.

With copyright infringement, the amount of infringement matters and makes a difference between a civil matter and a crime. I am quite sure that someone building a Hackintosh at home is on the civil side of it; Psystar is more likely on the criminal side. For example, the attempt to make profit can make it criminal (success is not necessary, so Psystar's bankruptcy wouldn't help them :D )

Then there is the DMCA violation part. That, I think, might put them on the criminal side again.
 
Really seems like a gray area here, but Apple's likely to make it a "Apple-area" if they can get that far. I personally am okay with OSX being runnable on non-Macs as long as the property is respected and quality is maintained. Many reports suggest that isn't the case.

Which may be the underlying motivation. Get as much bad press out about OSX on Crapstar Boxes, tie up Apple in court for a year or more. Just who is still financing Crapstar after bankruptcy? Personally I think the bankruptcy filing was simply to continue the mask of legitimacy. Thereby continuing to be the dandruff on Steve's Turtleneck.

The Head and Shoulders will be applied liberally now. Bruce will end this in court, and the "hidden" partners will be exposed. Sewell is much more aggressive than Cooperman. :apple:
 
Your post sounds like someone just made that up on the spot. I've heard nothing but positives about psystar machines.

Your post = EPIC FAIL because why shouldn't psystar machines run just as good as 'real' macs because the hardware is exactly the same as PCs don't let anyone tell you otherwise! Obviously the casing is different though
*hugs unibody shell*

If their hardware is 'exactly the same' why do they have to hack the OS so that it installs ??

The only people who want psystar to succeed are generally thieves and software pirates.

If psystar wins this case how long before you see other companies ripping off the PS3 OS or XBox OS or the iPhone OS. Psystar are thieves, they took the work of the mod community stuck a sticker on it and passed it off as their own. They don't give a toss about the OS, they just want to make money without actually having spent any R & D costs.

I hope that their 'loader' is leaked and spread far and wide by torrents and newsgroups so that they don't make a single dime from it.
 
If you take your OEM Windows from your Dell and install it in your HP you are violating the EULA.

If you try to sell your OEM windows without the computer, you also violate the user agreement.

Retail Windows have a different agreement, because it is to the final user, not to the OEM.

I agree that OEM distributions have certain provisions, but what about all the software installed on the computer?

No. That was a human error.

Fair enough.
Just selling the Sike-shoes is copyright infringement. So it is bad.

However, you can sell just shoes that look a lot like the original, but they are a bit different and it is not copyright infringement.

This seems a bit backwards. It seems that fair-use would entail that I can sell Sike-shoes that I've bought. That's not piracy. I can't make clone-Sikes and sell them. That is piracy.

Unless, you, as the Sike creator can prove there is intention to rip off your product. Pystar did that, when they bundled copies, install them and advertise as Mac-clones.

Again, Psystar doesn't advertise that they make Mac clones. They claim to make regular old PCs that can have OSX installed on them. There's a difference.

No, the flip-flops are not sike-clones, because they are flip-flops. They are not advertised as the real deal, even if they might look a lot like. You might say, they are "inspired".

Interesting, but on your view, doing exactly the same thing with some ugly brown pair of shoes is piracy. But, it's not when it's flip-flops?
 
Eh, because you want to use Apple's software?:confused:

But I CAN do that WITHOUT a Mac. Everything preventing me from doing so is an arbitrary rule. I don't appreciate when people make rules just for the sake of making rules.

YA! ANARCHY!!!! I don't agree with you so I'm going to do whatever I want!:rolleyes:
You want to protest? DON'T BUY A MAC.

Not buying a Mac would be protesting the wrong thing. I'm perfectly fine with having a Mac; in fact I have several. What I'm not fine with is Apple's business strategy. It makes no sense in a world where OS X can and does run on Wintel hardware.

You want a mac without paying for one? Too bad.

It's not free. I'm paying $30 for a Snow Leopard license. Apple's getting what they want for it.

If there is one lemonade stand charging $1.00 per cup and another charging $0.25 per cup, which are you going to choose?
...Exactly.
 
If Psystar are using their Darwin open source loader to install Snow Leopard what is stopping Apple from revoking the open source license considering that they own it?
 
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