Page 31 of 64 seems to state that Apple cc:ed INTEL trade secrets.
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Qualcomm Accuses Apple of Stealing LTE Modem Trade Secrets and Giving Them to Intel [Updated]
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Page 31 of 64 seems to state that Apple cc:ed INTEL trade secrets.
At first I thought you were kidding. Sad to see you aren’t. You should read the filing.
This is an Apple fanatic site, so I can understand the intense emotions when someone calls Apple a thief, which they are.
Pg 31 of that document is where the juicy stuff is.
Just to be clear, at this time I don't believe Apple did it intentionally. That could change as the court case progresses and during the discovery process, but with what we have now, it seems the engineer screwed up by mistake as he was communicating with both Qualcomm and INTEL in the same email and didn't properly protect Qualcomms trade secrets.
That said, I don't think lack of intent saves Apple's bacon.
There's a big difference, under the law, between actually stealing a trade secret by misappropriating it for your own use, and accidentally disclosing it.
This seems like a very optimistic assumption.
Apple has a history or intentionally violating patents to increase their profit margins.
In Pg. 31, it states that someone from Apple working on Intel modem implementation directly asked how Qualcomm did it. If that isn't blatant, I don't know what is.
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I think you're intentionally ignoring important parts of the situation to satisfy your psychological need to view Apple as some ethical, altruistic company.
Someone working on intel modem implementation wanted Qualcomm's trade secrets. I don't know how much more blatant it can be. Very rarely will a company say, "Yeah, we're gonna steal it." This is as close to blatant IP theft as it comes.
Maybe true, but it looks like Qualcomm is going for breach of contract for not properly securing their trade secrets from competitors. Their agreement is probably broad enough that it doesn't matter if it was due to negligence or malice.
Did that someone from Apple get an answer and if they did, did they pass along trade secrets? That's what the trial will show.
Sure, but the remedy at law for breach of contract is generally actual damages, which is tough to prove.
WRONG AGAIN. You don't bother to look past the surface, and so you end up making erroneous statements like this.
If you actually bothered to ask or learn about the technology involved, you would know that 4x4 MIMO is useful on every cell site, because phones with 4x4 MIMO use antenna diversity to get a stronger signal by doubling the antennas up, and increasing the strength and quality of the signal coming in from sites that don't have 4x4 MIMO deployed.
You would also know that part of gigabit LTE is 4x CA (the X20 does 5x CA), and that helps during periods of heavy congestion on a site with many bands, especially on AT&T, which owns a very diverse portfolio of spectrum that can feature as many as 9 different bands (not all of which can be CA'ed together) on a single site. Also, Qualcomm's improvements in radio performance on the X20 go well beyond the specs and numbers of gigabit LTE, and provide faster speeds and better signal strength in a wide variety of conditions.
In this case "accidental disclosure" happen to incidentally benefit Apple (a lot). Is not it a little bit suspicious?
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As Steve Jobs would have said: " You steal it wrong".
Because that’s how smart people communicate trade secrets? In an email
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I’m in the middle of nowhere in the outskirts of Budapest and both my friend and I have **** reception. I have iPhone X and he has note 8.
I am not sure whats the problem with these two, but assuming its a pricing issue I think Apple is a bit stingy not to pay up especially when they are worth $1T and their devices are selling like hot cakes. All other Qualcomm customers do.
Plus, isn't LTE is a standard that everyone agrees on, what secrets?
Plus, isn't LTE is a standard that everyone agrees on, what secrets?
It is possible that Intel has done a good job (with whatever information they got from whomever) on Xs and that connectivity problems are down to antenna design
Still doesn't mean Intel will do a decent job in the future on 5G ..
For Qualcomm, the nervousness has got be that Apple is buying enough time to develop its own modem tech and using the best possible version of Intel in transit
Apple's going to have had to be super-careful keeping any in-house design team it might have well away from either the Qualcomm or the Intel stuff so that, if it does come out with its own baseband chip, it can't be accused of stealing ideas. I'm sure Apple lawyers have that aspect well covered though.
I remember about 25 years ago I was in a meeting when I worked for one of the major computer manufacturers and we were negotiating a partnership, with Intel as it happens, on a particular project. I was in a meeting in the Bay Area with a bunch of technical people from both sides sketching out the scope of the project when the Intel people started describing their hardware and got to a part of their presentation where they were about to discuss an aspect of their technology that overlapped with something that was being developed in our company as well (a competing implementation). Three of the people in the room were part of the team that was working on our version and, as soon as they saw the Intel slide going up on screen and realised what it was about to talk about - well, I've never actually seen this before in a business meeting because they didn't walk out, all three literally got up and ran for the door, one of them shouting over his shoulder "I'm sorry, we can't see this" as he left. It turned out that they had had very extensive briefings from our company lawyers about what they had to do to avoid contamination to avoid potential future lawsuits about stealing other people's IP. It was quite funny to see three grow men sprinting for the door of a conference room in what was otherwise a normal business meeting.
No doubt, Apple did this for sure
Qualcomm has accused Apple of stealing confidential information and trade secrets, and passing them on to rival chipmaker Intel, according to a court document filed Monday and reported by several media outlets.
For background, Qualcomm agreed that Apple could have access to its source code and tools for LTE modems, but with limitations. Qualcomm believes that Apple proceeded to share the information with Intel to help improve its LTE modems, allowing Apple to stop using Qualcomm's modems in the latest iPhones.
Axios's Ina Fried shared an excerpt from Qualcomm's complaint:Qualcomm already sued Apple in November 2017 based on suspicions the iPhone maker was using the chipmaker's trade secrets in wrongful ways. Now, Qualcomm is more confident and direct about its accusation.
Don Rosenberg, General Counsel of Qualcomm, in a statement provided to MacRumors:The lawsuit is scheduled to be heard in April 2019, but Qualcomm's proposed amendment could delay the trial, which is one of over a dozen lawsuits waged between the two companies. Apple initially sued Qualcomm in June 2017 for $1 billion in unpaid royalties, and later for patent infringement.
iFixit's teardown of the iPhone XS and iPhone XS Max uncovered an Intel modem in both devices, a few months after Qualcomm said Apple was unlikely to use its own modems in the latest iPhones. Qualcomm was Apple's exclusive provider of modems until Intel was added as a second supplier for the iPhone 7 lineup.
Update: MacRumors has obtained a copy of Qualcomm's motion, embedded below.
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LTE is a standard, but the technology in modems isn't a standard. And that's what Qualcomm is saying was stolen.
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Is it that time of year again?
Your right, do you know which technology Qualcomm is accusing apple of stealing?
I’m curious.
Because that’s how smart people communicate trade secrets? In an email
I really don’t understand your point. There is a link in this thread to an official court filing where Qualcomm states they have an email where Apple sent their trade secrets to INTEL. Unless your point is that smart people are perfect and don’t make mistakes (which is probably what happened here).