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Qualcomm Accuses Apple of Stealing LTE Modem Trade Secrets and Giving Them to Intel [Updated]
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Patents are the absolute opposite of trade secrets. For a patent, you MUST publish all the details, so Apple and Intel can totally legally know about all Qualcomm patents (and vice versa).
For trade secrets, Qualcomm must prove that either Apple stole secrets directly from Qualcomm and passed them to Intel, or Qualcomm provided trade secrets to Apple under an NDA, and Apple passed them to Intel despite the NDA. You might say that log files created by Apple using Qualcomm tools are not Qualcomm trade secrets, for the simple reason that Qualcomm doesn't even know what's in these log files.
Based on the complaint, seems like Qualcomm is ready to subpoena a number of Intel engineers to prove its case.
These are pretty damning accusations. Seems like Apple's wall of silence is about to break down.
These are pretty damning accusations. Seems like Apple's wall of silence is about to break down.
Accusations can't be damning. Evidence is. We will see.
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This is completely false. You do not have to enforce patents in order for them to remain valid and enforceable.
You are probably thinking of trademarks.
I would have been on Apple's side if it wasn't for iPhone Xs.... I am so far extremely disappointed with is LTE performance.
The iPhone has never been industry leading on the Antenna front, nor its baseband modem. But that is ok, I could turn a blind eye for a 1 or 2 db ( or more ) signal loss. The combination of what ever Apple is doing with its 4x4 antenna and Intel modem..... as if they didn't bother testing it in the first place. And it is seriously pissing me off that the most expensive Smartphone / iPhone on the market are not even "good" in its wireless performance, and in a lot of case poor by its price range standard.
I am hoping Firmware issues might fix it.... but I have some doubts.
The iPhone has never been industry leading on the Antenna front, nor its baseband modem. But that is ok, I could turn a blind eye for a 1 or 2 db ( or more ) signal loss. The combination of what ever Apple is doing with its 4x4 antenna and Intel modem..... as if they didn't bother testing it in the first place. And it is seriously pissing me off that the most expensive Smartphone / iPhone on the market are not even "good" in its wireless performance, and in a lot of case poor by its price range standard.
I am hoping Firmware issues might fix it.... but I have some doubts.
I'm sure there may be a million and one explanations/exuses etc. But the fact is on the whole, something isn't right.
Wouldn’t surprise me in the slightest of this is what Apple and Intel did.. Intel was pathetically behind Qualcomm, now we have exclusive Intel modems in the XS and XS Max causing signal problems!
I bet next year as if by pure magic Intel and Apple will surprise Qualcomm..... yeah I can believe Qualcomm’s story, but let’s see if the courts agree as it could just as easily be made up.
But even if this isn’t true, it does seem true that Apple is charging upwards of £999 for a smartphone that with exclusive Intel wireless chips has trouble getting a WiFi and cellular signal........ courage right there!
I bet next year as if by pure magic Intel and Apple will surprise Qualcomm..... yeah I can believe Qualcomm’s story, but let’s see if the courts agree as it could just as easily be made up.
But even if this isn’t true, it does seem true that Apple is charging upwards of £999 for a smartphone that with exclusive Intel wireless chips has trouble getting a WiFi and cellular signal........ courage right there!
Until the statistics are known, we don't know if it's on the whole, which implies a wide spread issue. People are so neurotic nowadays that a lot of times they will see someone complain about something, then perceive the same thing themselves without it actually being the case. Since there are such huge numbers when it comes to iPhone experiences, there are always bound to be fringe cases of people not getting what they expect. What you can count on is that Apple cares about their broader reputation, "on the whole", so if this is a material bug that can be identified and repeated, they will fix it.
Another thing that I think is getting glossed over here is the fact that until Apple took action, Qualcomm represented a complete monopoly in wireless modems. They had to do something to break the monopoly...whether it included actions that broke the law, I guess we'll find out (or not).
?? That's the point of filing the suit, so they *can* bring evidence to court. You don't "bring evidence to court already" before suing!
So if Apple broke the law and acted illegally, that was a good thing? Because it helped a supplier out who offered cheaper pricing, thus boosting Apple profits, by stealing technology and giving it to said supplier offering cheaper price?
What's this? - are you trying to inject some rationality and facts into this rant-fest? You do know what forum you're on, right?
Or maybe they couldn't take the photos of all the pages of the document since iPhone showed the error "Storage full"?
They’re going to make a movie about it.
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Or fortnite battle royal
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Or fortnite battle royal
That will require a giant bowl of HUMMUS.
There’s a lot of weaknesses in Tim Cooke’s Apple—Siri, crappy keyboards, dongles, thin designs over practical functionality, et al—but ethics is not one of them.
My guess is this is nonsense. An aggressive move by a spurned former vendor. Qualcomms miscalculation is tis move guarantees they are dead to Apple for all of tkme.
My guess is this is nonsense. An aggressive move by a spurned former vendor. Qualcomms miscalculation is tis move guarantees they are dead to Apple for all of tkme.
It not like Apple hasn't made a business of stealing other peoples ideas and then calling them their own.
You can see the thinking inside Apple, they are really not innovating anymore so they have to increase profits by screwing customers and suppliers, all large businesses do it.
Thats why the new iPhones have poor quality screens and second are intel chips. Neither is for the customer.
There seems to be cross complaints here. Qualcomm has wonderful lawyers who weeded through emails and found a basis for further causes of action. Apple has wonderful attorneys who pointed out Qualcomm charged license fees in excess of their IP. This case SCREAMS settlement.
People taking the side of either company right now is ridiculous. There has been no evidence presented what-so-ever and they've been embroiled in random legal stuff for the last few years either way. It's possible that either of them could be wrong.
There are a few things that aren't being mentioned that are important to remember:
- As stated above, no evidence has been presented.
- The patents Qualcomm is "defending" are considered FRAND, and they're already being investigated by the FTC for abusing that licensing. This is not solely an Apple issue either, as other manufacturers are being affected by this.
- Intel's chips (for the most part) aren't equal to their Qualcomm counterparts. If Apple or Intel did steal IP to create these, they copied what Qualcomm was doing 2-3 years ago.
- Intel does have a history of this, and they were caught doing it with AMD.
- Apple being the company to reverse engineer and sell these secrets to Intel doesn't make a lot of sense. Intel is more than capable and adding more people means adding more evidence or potential leaks. If Apple were stealing these secrets it seems to make more sense that they made their own baseband chips, similar to how they make their own A-series chips and GPUs, rather than relying on another 3rd party.
There are a few things that aren't being mentioned that are important to remember:
- As stated above, no evidence has been presented.
- The patents Qualcomm is "defending" are considered FRAND, and they're already being investigated by the FTC for abusing that licensing. This is not solely an Apple issue either, as other manufacturers are being affected by this.
- Intel's chips (for the most part) aren't equal to their Qualcomm counterparts. If Apple or Intel did steal IP to create these, they copied what Qualcomm was doing 2-3 years ago.
- Intel does have a history of this, and they were caught doing it with AMD.
- Apple being the company to reverse engineer and sell these secrets to Intel doesn't make a lot of sense. Intel is more than capable and adding more people means adding more evidence or potential leaks. If Apple were stealing these secrets it seems to make more sense that they made their own baseband chips, similar to how they make their own A-series chips and GPUs, rather than relying on another 3rd party.
I’m willing to wait and see what the results of the suite are but Intel’s ability or lack of ability to use the information has no bearing on Apple’s guilt or innocence of the accusations being made.