I give Intel 10 years tops before they go under.
People still code in COBOL. IBM still exists for some reason.
I give Intel 10 years tops before they go under.
Nothing has changed in the last 5 years. Qualcomm and Apple have been developing ARM chips for devices for a while.Clearly you are not reading the room. If everyone is now making ARM chips, the future of Intel and x86 is looking really dire. I give Intel 10 years tops before they go under. Now you know why they are putting out those Apple bashing commercials. They are worried.
Had Intel had the 12 gen performance and efficiency 3 years ago, I doubt Apple would have seriously considered releasing the M1 on MacOS. Status quo is the safer bet than shaking up the market.
Nothing has changed in the last 5 years. Qualcomm and Apple have been developing ARM chips for devices for a while.
Intel is threatened by the changes, and their 12th generation chips are a good showing of them using their resources to respond to the market demand of more efficient processors.
Had Intel had the 12 gen performance and efficiency 3 years ago, I doubt Apple would have seriously considered releasing the M1 on MacOS. Status quo is the safer bet than shaking up the market.
another chipset with no video games?
Apple should buy a game studio and create exclusives for their products. They were willing to spend the money for AppleTV+, why not this too?If and when anyone cracks AAA PC games on Arm it would be Nvidia with their SOC not QCOM. Given that AAA games require similar CAPEX to major movies the installed base has to be exceptionally large. Even Apple, with double digit "PC" market share, is way too small to capture any interest from the major game publishers.
Apple only looks good at the low-end, At the high-end ARM based multicore CPUs are way more powerful than the M1 Max. See the link below and notice it is over a year old.Qualcomm is late to the party.
Haha! The competition is good but Good luck!
Apple silicon chip is just way too good. Real talk!
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Apple should buy a game studio and create exclusives for their products. They were willing to spend the money for AppleTV+, why not this too?
Apple only looks good at the low-end, At the high-end ARM based multicore CPUs are way more powerful than the M1 Max. See the link below and notice it is over a year old.
The current high end is 80 ARM cores at 3.3GHz and 1 terabyte of RAM.
https://venturebeat.com/2020/03/03/ampere-altra-is-the-first-80-core-arm-based-server-processor/
They can try to expand into the gaming market with a unified platform of Mac, iPad, and Apple TV with good exclusives.Why would Apple want to lose money for their investors ? IF the ROI was there existing publishers would already be developing for the platform. Burning significant money to produce original AppleTV content is a bet that the currently low subscription base can be expanded. How much can you expand the Mac market by creating a few original games considering that it's supported by content creators ? The low hanging fruit was allowing iOS games to run on macOS. There are no shortage of investment opportunities that would make more strategic sense but still don't pass the NPV test. Investments like NAND or manufacturing capacity instead of dealing with Foxconn.
Let's see what Qualcomm can deliver. Currently, Qualcomm chips are in no shape to give intel a good beatdown like Apple Silicon did.This is just more bad news for Intel. Not Apple.
Luckily, intel has fabs. So worst comes to worst, they'll just fab others' chips like TSMC does.Clearly you are not reading the room. If everyone is now making ARM chips, the future of Intel and x86 is looking really dire. I give Intel 10 years tops before they go under. Now you know why they are putting out those Apple bashing commercials. They are worried.
Yes and all of that research would have gone into A15+ had they not decided to switch to M1 for Macs.Apple has been planning this for a lot longer than 3 years, and 12 gen proves them right. Efficiency is better than 11th gen, but is nowhere near what they get with their own processors.
Agree. I feel x86 will remain on Windows side for some time, and any transition to ARM won't happen anytime soon.Apple has a history of successfully moving the entire Mac market to different cpu architectures on multiple occasions. Despite numerous attempts at cracking the x86 market, with alternative architectures, it's never happened so saying that it's possible just because Apple had success is a false comparison. Even Intel couldn't do it with "Itanic" despite being the 800 lbs gorilla at the time. I'm sure Nuvia has improved QCOM's design so snapdragon mobile users will benefit. Their push into autos will also bolstered. For x86 I can see MS being a partner with the Surface line and for products like tablets. Mainstream migration of x86 will be extremely difficult because it's not just about a superior CPU. Even something with 10x better metrics is not enough if numerous other factors don't pencil out. Heck, even AMD has struggled with laptop market share despite having a far superior product, with Intel stuck in neutral, and the Zen CPU was already x86. That should give you some insight on how much resistance there is to change in the PC HW and SW market.
They can try to expand into the gaming market with a unified platform of Mac, iPad, and Apple TV with good exclusives.
They can sell more Macs and TVs and also make money on games sold in the App Store. Why does this make less sense than original content on Apple TV+? If anything it makes more sense. Gaming is a bigger industry than film, it's a weak spot in Apple's ecosystem, and there is a hardware angle to it, unlike TV+ which is totally disconnected from Apple's other products.
That’s not how market capitalization works, it works by investors purchasing a certain stock and when purchased, the market capitalization rises of this certain company, they only have 370 billion dollars in revenue per year and only 70 billion dollars cash on hand.How do you think they got to being worth 2 trillion dollars?
No, Apple has very generous offerings especially in bonuses and stocks with an above-average salary with excellent working conditionsApple has never been known for high salaries, and Apple is notorious for being a rough work environment for engineers.
And if you tell a CPU designer "We'll double your pay and improve your work/life balance" you're going to get some takers.
I don't buy it. My x86-based work laptop easily lasts an entire work day, is more than fast enough for anything I use it for, and doesn't get more than hand warm at worst. By 2023, AMD and possibly Intel CPUs will be manufactured using a comparable process like the TSMC process that is used for the Apple M series, and the efficiency will likely be equivalent.If Qualcomm (and others) can get their act together, the value proposition in a year or two will be "very fast, hot laptop with 6-hour battery life and 100% software compatibility" versus "fast enough, cool-running laptop with 20-hour battery life and 99% software compatibility".
Yes but even longer battery life in a smaller lighter package isn’t to be sneezed at. If Windows arm can deliver in the end like MacOS in M1, why not?I don't buy it. My x86-based work laptop easily lasts an entire work day, is more than fast enough for anything I use it for, and doesn't get more than hand warm at worst. By 2023, AMD and possibly Intel CPUs will be manufactured using a comparable process like the TSMC process that is used for the Apple M series, and the efficiency will likely be equivalent.
You are looking at the situation from a perspective of what it currently is.They can try to expand into the gaming market with a unified platform of Mac, iPad, and Apple TV with good exclusives.
They can sell more Macs and TVs and also make money on games sold in the App Store. Why does this make less sense than original content on Apple TV+? If anything it makes more sense. Gaming is a bigger industry than film, it's a weak spot in Apple's ecosystem, and there is a hardware angle to it, unlike TV+ which is totally disconnected from Apple's other products.
I think if they want, they can. But till now they don’t have any incentive.Keyword: "sustained performance and battery life". Translated - "we will have a lot of cores, each slower than M-series"![]()