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Qualcomm's M1 Rival to Be Available in PCs by Late 2023

Xiao_Xi said:
Why is the Nuvia SOC supposed to compete with the M1 and not the M2? Has Qualcomm said that their Nuvia SOC will compete with the M1?
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Well the M2 doesn't exist yet, so they just reference what is available now.
Everyone expected the M2 to be released back in March... that didn't happen, so no one really knows Apple's true timeline for the M series releases. It's all speculation for now.
 
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Competition is definitely a good thing, and should result in more software for the ARM platform...
 
I saw the announcement yesterday about how many first time Mac users are switching over, presumably because of the M1 and my first thought was that it was the first small rumblings that lead to major problems for Intel. Apple isn't going to be a threat directly, but other computer makers are going to notice the fact that the M1 has gotten users' attention and will move to capture some of that attention themselves with their own new architectures.

Just like they did with Blackberry and the old beige box computers, Apple has a way of making the status quo look obsolete and shifting consumer preference-- even if they never take a dominant share of the market for themselves.

Given the Microsoft/Qualcomm agreement, the M1 is the best gift Apple could have ever given Qualcomm.
 
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But the apps for windows will be ready for the SoC?!
i already know how windows works on arm SoC with surface pro x....you cant do anything for work..just for basic stuff, an ipad or an M1 macbook air is far better (on M1 MBA you can do even work with pro apps already)
 
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Qualcomm's answer to Apple silicon will be available in devices by late 2023, the company's CEO said earlier this week (via Tom's Hardware).

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In November last year, Qualcomm announced plans to build next-generation Arm-based System on Chips (SoCs), designed to rival Apple's M-series chips, for the PC market. The chips are "designed to set the performance benchmark for Windows PCs" and are being developed by the Nuvia team. Qualcomm said that it will directly compete with Apple's M-series chips, including the M1, M1 Pro, and M1 Max, and hopes to lead the industry for "sustained performance and battery life."

During the company's latest earnings call earlier this week, Qualcomm President and CEO Christian Amon said that the Nuvia team was progressing toward its goal of developing a significant leap forward for Arm processors. Amon added that the first Nuvia-designed processor will be "going after the performance tier" and that Nuvia-powered Windows laptops are on track to be available to customers by late 2023.

The timing seems to indicate a slight delay compared to the original 2023 timeframe set out by Qualcomm last year. The company previously said that sample Nuvia chips would be available to device manufacturers by August 2022, but now that expectation has been broadened to the second half of 2022, with particular emphasis on the debut of the first consumer Nuvia devices in "late" 2023.

Qualcomm acquired Nuvia, a chip startup company founded by ex-Apple chip designers, for $1.4 billion in January 2021. The former Apple engineers wanted to create Arm-based SoCs specifically for servers and target the always-connected PC (ACPC) market with a chip that could compete with the M1, but now the team's aims seem to have been significantly broadened.

By late 2023, Apple is expected to be well into its M2 series of chips. The company may have even introduced the first M3 chips by the time the first Nuvia chips come to market.

Article Link: Qualcomm's M1 Rival to Be Available in PCs by Late 2023
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Samsung and Mediatek were also supposed to release powerful Arm chips for Windows-On-Arm and so far it's no news..eh..no news.
 
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Analog Kid said:
I saw the announcement yesterday about how many first time Mac users are switching over, presumably because of the M1 and my first thought was that it was the first small rumblings that lead to major problems for Intel. Apple isn't going to be a threat directly, but other computer makers are going to notice the fact that the M1 has gotten users' attention and will move to capture some of that attention themselves with their own new architectures.

Just like they did with Blackberry and the old beige box computers, Apple has a way of making the status quo look obsolete and shifting consumer preference-- even if they never take a dominant share of the market for themselves.

Given the Microsoft/Qualcomm agreement, the M1 is the best gift Apple could have ever given Qualcomm.
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remember , they already tried, nothing new here...
surface pro x is one example
 
Jimmdean said:
Intel rival, not Apple. Other chips designed have existed forever and Apple still maintains its market share. But Intel and AMD should be at least a little worried - Qualcomm is certainly not doing this for an OS other than Windows.

Their statement that they are shooting to compete against Apple is very telling though - they see them as #1. That has to hurt for Intel.
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I completely agree. Odd choice of words for Qualcomm to say these will compete against the M series. Certainly the chips and their performances will be compared to each other but they won’t compete in a business sense. Apple’s not going to consider using Nuvia and other PC hardware manufacturers aren’t going to have the option of using M series in their devices.
 
So this will be Snapdragon 8CX Generation 3
They already failed with 1 and 2 while Apple didnt with M1 because its far easier when you control the whole stack
For this to work...Microsoft needs to work very closely with Qualcomm and with developers and bringing a state of the art binary translator developed by Microsoft built in.....this cannot even be up there with M1 even in late 2023
 
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Jimmdean said:
Intel rival, not Apple. Other chips designed have existed forever and Apple still maintains its market share. But Intel and AMD should be at least a little worried - Qualcomm is certainly not doing this for an OS other than Windows.

Their statement that they are shooting to compete against Apple is very telling though - they see them as #1. That has to hurt for Intel.
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Yeah, this is a good way of putting it-- Intel is the competition, but Apple is the benchmark.
 
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Jimmdean said:
Intel rival, not Apple. Other chips designed have existed forever and Apple still maintains its market share. But Intel and AMD should be at least a little worried - Qualcomm is certainly not doing this for an OS other than Windows.

Their statement that they are shooting to compete against Apple is very telling though - they see them as #1. That has to hurt for Intel.
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Apple competes with PCs and the M1 is so good it's stealing market share away from PC makers. Qualcomm's chip is targeted toward the PC market, which makes it a rival to both Intel and Apple.
 
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The issue will be having something like Rosetta 2 which buffered most problems for M1 ARM64 neophytes. If they dont have a Windows equivalent, they are already at a disadvantage.
 
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BootsWalking said:
Apple competes with PCs and the M1 is so good it's stealing market share away from PC makers. Qualcomm's chip is targeted toward the PC market, which makes it a rival to both Intel and Apple.
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It is more precise to say that MacOS competes with Windows. The actual internal architecture of Macs has never really mattered all that much to the majority of consumers. Design has been much more important - that being the unibody construction and high quality displays in recent times.

Qualcomm's situation is that they must either make computers themselves are become a supplier for other PC makers. Since it is very likely the latter they are not competing with Apple at all - they have to find their own share of the PC market first.

Having said that while we as users benefit from the increased performance the new M-series architecture provides make no mistake its primary reason for existence is a simplified supply chain for Apple (lower costs/higher profits).
 
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