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Qualcomm's M1 Rival to Be Available in PCs by Late 2023
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That was a chip designed for mobile... grossly underpowered and poorly optimized for a PC replacement.
This will be an entirely new chip from the ground up.
No, it's not just that.
M1 was designed specifically to include alternate x86-compatible memory ordering to be more compatible and faster with x86 translated code. One of the problems with previous ARM chips from Qualcomm was that they were not designed to run on translated x86 code, for obvious reasons.
Trashing is a valuable commodity. It's simply being stockpiled for the next story that includes a photo of Tim Cook.
I agree the internal architecture doesn't matter much to customers. But something about the M1 systems has attracted new customers to the Mac en masse. Outside the M1 there's nothing really unique about the new systems except maybe the Studio, so something else is at a play. My guess is it's not the M1 per se but the media attention the M1 has received, esp all the accolades relative to competing PC offerings. I believe that attracted a lot of mind share in the public and that's why the M1 is now a draw to the platform.
A true ARMs race!
I'll see myself out...
I'll see myself out...
agreed. personally I think it's the subset of people that always wanted a Mac and now can't find an excuse not to get one. On Intel architecture they were nearly always behind the curve at least a little due to their release schedule. that's no longer a problem.
I think Bootcamp is unlikely, but a retail version of Windows on ARM would be nice, regardless. We know from the Insider Previews that Windows on ARM works well in Parallels Desktop. Having official support and certainty on licensing would be significant benefits.
How can it lead, when all they can do is try to follow Apple. This marketplace is also more just Qualcomm that want to make ARMs for PC’s.
MediaTek wants to make a chip for Windows on ARM PCs
At MediaTek's Executive Summit, the company confirmed that it's working to make its own ARM chipsets for Windows on ARM devices.
www.xda-developers.com
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? M1 is blistering fast. That's a pretty big deal. Even customers who don't live at the bleeding edge will be attracted by that, because it means their lower end purchases will still be very performant not only now but even years from now.
Apple needs to step in a crush these upstarts
Hail to the Red Fruit!
Hail to the Red Fruit!
I suspect they will be great in markets where Apple does not play.
By the time they released it Apple is probably already in development of M4.
I support competition 100 %, but honestly, they used the same name (M1) of Apple's chip version. ?♂️
"Competition is a good thing" count so far on this thread: 4
Will probably be a 2024 product completing against M3 variants. The issue isn't the silicon but the SW stack as this will be significantly more difficult in PC world than macOS. Even with Apple controlling the entire environment we're still seeing much needed SW optimization at 2 years after M1 introduction. It will be quite challenging for PC vendors to convince developers to port their apps to a new architecture when there's isn't a compelling and financially lucrative reason. MS will likely adopt it in their Surface line and have Office ported. Not sure if Adobe would be on board or any of the AAA game publishers. Engineering and CAD developers have no incentive to change. The smaller developers creating music and video apps would not squander resources on a port.
The M1's performance is a big deal but we're speaking to the internal architecture not being the reason new customers are coming to the Mac. I would group performance in that same "don't care" category, considering that most modern systems are fast enough for the majority of typical customer user cases. I have to work against my techie nature to say that since performance is very important to me. I just don't think it has that much mind share in the average customer, at least in terms of connecting the dots and motivating their purchases.
I thought X86 was the future????? At least that's what everyone on here was telling me..lol Good! Time to move on to better technology.
Perfect, continuing the trend of any meaningful competition being about 3 years late (which, of course, makes it irrelevant competition).
I love Apple, but I hate the fact they have no meaningful competition anywhere in the stack let alone in a well-thought out and built consolidated stack of products/technologies.
I love Apple, but I hate the fact they have no meaningful competition anywhere in the stack let alone in a well-thought out and built consolidated stack of products/technologies.
I would also add that part of why Rosetta is so successful is that it can take calls to macOS APIs and run them as native processes. Part of why we saw such a dramatic improvement in the performance of certain games was because calls to Metal by the Intel-only game were run by Metal as native instructions on the GPU. DxO Photolab did something similar - it's still an Intel-only app but they updated their DeepPRIME noise reduction function to use the CoreML API and therefore it runs those processes on the Neural Engine, resulting in significant speed boosts, despite being Intel and running under Rosetta.
Windows APIs are a bit of a mess given all of the API sets and frameworks Microsoft has developed over the years (Win32, .NET, UWP, etc.). I don't know if Windows on ARM supports something similar or if it even could with its built in x64 emulation.