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64 Bit Quark? I'll be pushing up the daisies!!
OK, sooooooooo..... QuarkXpress 6 is here (almost) (again). Woohoo I hear you say. But what's just around the corner? 64 bit Macs and Panther soon after. Just how long is it going to take Quark to make Xpress a 64 bit app? I think that by the time they get around to it books will be things of the past, who will want to publish?
OK, sooooooooo..... QuarkXpress 6 is here (almost) (again). Woohoo I hear you say. But what's just around the corner? 64 bit Macs and Panther soon after. Just how long is it going to take Quark to make Xpress a 64 bit app? I think that by the time they get around to it books will be things of the past, who will want to publish?
Re: Re: Ouch - look at memory recommendation
Quark Xpress, like Microsoft Windoze, has a huge, undiscerning user base that is content with being treated like crap and is apparently happy with saggy, overweight, outdated software.
I'm fluent in both Xpress and InDesign, so I speak with some first-hand knowledge.
At even the most basic level -- typesetting -- InDesign is lightyears ahead.
Add to that multiple undos, native support for Photoshop transparency functions, perfect integration with Acrobat, full OSX compatibility and all of the other things that InDesign has had for months, I can't begin to see why anyone would want to stick with Xpress.
Still, as with Windows, the masses will stick with Xpress, while a few of us lonely, enlightened souls will carry forth in the Way of the Macintosh, and use the product that is closest to the Insanely Great ideal.
Peace.
Quark Xpress, like Microsoft Windoze, has a huge, undiscerning user base that is content with being treated like crap and is apparently happy with saggy, overweight, outdated software.
I'm fluent in both Xpress and InDesign, so I speak with some first-hand knowledge.
At even the most basic level -- typesetting -- InDesign is lightyears ahead.
Add to that multiple undos, native support for Photoshop transparency functions, perfect integration with Acrobat, full OSX compatibility and all of the other things that InDesign has had for months, I can't begin to see why anyone would want to stick with Xpress.
Still, as with Windows, the masses will stick with Xpress, while a few of us lonely, enlightened souls will carry forth in the Way of the Macintosh, and use the product that is closest to the Insanely Great ideal.
Peace.
No doubt. I just checked it out: "Full resolution preview."
"Dang, Clem, these new awto-mo-beels come with FLOOR BOARDS!"
Whoop-de-freaking-do.
After switching to InDesign at the time of (the admitedly buggy, but still better-than-Quark) version 1.0, I've gotten so used to full-res previews that when I was forced to use Quark on a project, I felt like I had returned to the days of Pagemaker 2.0.
You, Mangoman sound like a smart dude surfin' the wave of the future. The rest of you Quark lame-o-s can eat my alpha channels.
Peace.
Why many Quark users don't switch to ID2
There are always exceptions and I know its bad to generalize but... The pre-press industry is full of highly skilled Quark users. Many of them wont admit it but deep down it scars the hell out of them that if the company they work for switches to ID2 that they will no longer have as much value. They have spent years honing their Quark skills only to see that all go out the window. They fear a long learning curve.
I've found that designers that use Quark as a design tool are very willing to switch. However they rarely take the product through to completion. They pass the files off to the so called pre-press pros. The pre-press people are full of excuses as to why not to switch. Many times they refuse to even look at ID2.
Its more complicated than demanding that your pre-press house our print provider use ID2. What if your the pre-press house and your clients what the files back as Quark files?
Much of the work done in Quark is done using version 4.x. Now what are they going to do that Quark 6 only runs in OSX and Quark 4 and 5 only run in OS9? They will likely have as many compatibility issues between ID2 and Quark 4 as they do trying to do work in Quark 6 when the client wants Quark 4 files.
Believe me, the pre-press industry will live in the past as long as they possibly can!
There are always exceptions and I know its bad to generalize but... The pre-press industry is full of highly skilled Quark users. Many of them wont admit it but deep down it scars the hell out of them that if the company they work for switches to ID2 that they will no longer have as much value. They have spent years honing their Quark skills only to see that all go out the window. They fear a long learning curve.
I've found that designers that use Quark as a design tool are very willing to switch. However they rarely take the product through to completion. They pass the files off to the so called pre-press pros. The pre-press people are full of excuses as to why not to switch. Many times they refuse to even look at ID2.
Its more complicated than demanding that your pre-press house our print provider use ID2. What if your the pre-press house and your clients what the files back as Quark files?
Much of the work done in Quark is done using version 4.x. Now what are they going to do that Quark 6 only runs in OSX and Quark 4 and 5 only run in OS9? They will likely have as many compatibility issues between ID2 and Quark 4 as they do trying to do work in Quark 6 when the client wants Quark 4 files.
Believe me, the pre-press industry will live in the past as long as they possibly can!
Re: Why many Quark users don't switch to ID2
Q. How many service bureaus in your area need to accept InDesign files?
A. Just one.
Printing-wise, it's a buyer's market.
We've told printers that, if they want the job, they'll find a way to take our files. And we've given names of InDesign-friendly prepress houses to our them, and suggested that they can always send the files out to them for film.
Our clients couldn't care less what program we use. Most of them don't want to do complex page layout anyway. They're working with Publisher 90% of the time anyway. So it's all been cool.
Peace.
Q. How many service bureaus in your area need to accept InDesign files?
A. Just one.
Printing-wise, it's a buyer's market.
We've told printers that, if they want the job, they'll find a way to take our files. And we've given names of InDesign-friendly prepress houses to our them, and suggested that they can always send the files out to them for film.
Our clients couldn't care less what program we use. Most of them don't want to do complex page layout anyway. They're working with Publisher 90% of the time anyway. So it's all been cool.
Peace.
Quark 6 will NOT ship next week
Apple's first announcement today stated that Quark 6 would be available next week. It has since been pulled.
I was informed by Quark that Quark 6 will NOT be available next week. They don't know when it will ship. They are hoping that it will be ready in a couple weeks.
Apple's first announcement today stated that Quark 6 would be available next week. It has since been pulled.
I was informed by Quark that Quark 6 will NOT be available next week. They don't know when it will ship. They are hoping that it will be ready in a couple weeks.
Re: Re: Why many Quark users don't switch to ID2
Isn't the service bureau dead? Who uses film anymore?
Often times the pre-press house doesn't choose the printer. The client may be a big corporation that has specific printers they require.
In a native file work flow you could have the client who designs the files, if not a designer may do the work. Then you may have a 3rd company handle the pre-press and a 4th do the printing. The client may want the completed files.
If you're at the top, you're right you dictate. And I say you should choose ID2. If you're not, you're at the mercy of both ends.
I can not see ID replacing Quark for a long time. It will however be running alongside Quark in most pre-press houses and printers.
Isn't the service bureau dead? Who uses film anymore?
Often times the pre-press house doesn't choose the printer. The client may be a big corporation that has specific printers they require.
In a native file work flow you could have the client who designs the files, if not a designer may do the work. Then you may have a 3rd company handle the pre-press and a 4th do the printing. The client may want the completed files.
If you're at the top, you're right you dictate. And I say you should choose ID2. If you're not, you're at the mercy of both ends.
I can not see ID replacing Quark for a long time. It will however be running alongside Quark in most pre-press houses and printers.
Why were you forced to use Quark?
Can you still be forced to use Quark?
I'm hoping you never again give in and use Quark. Delete it from your computer now!
Re: Re: Re: Why many Quark users don't switch to ID2
Actually, in most metro areas there are a few prepress houses left. And there are plenty of printers who use film. And clearly, the prepress house doesn't choose the printer -- it's usually the other way around.
In our case, we believe that the design firm should choose the application, the printer and the printing technique, assuming the firm can procure the services at a fair price. And I don't know of printer who charges more to accept InDesign files.
All of that having been said, I think you're exactly right -- Quark isn't going anywhere anytime soon. But I'm looking forward to the day (which I believe is coming) when Xpress vs. InDesign is pretty much like Illustrator vs. FreeHand. Everyone takes 'em, no one bitches and moans, and healthy competition between the two companies can benefit the end-user.
In the meantime, it will be up to designers to make the case to their clients (or bosses) that InDesign produces better looking type* (undisputably), and that attractive documents are in everyone's best interest.
Yo. Peace.
* I swear. It takes most people I know a LOT of time to get decent looking paragraphs (not to mention individual words) in Xpress. In InDesign, you have to TRY to make things look ugly. I'm a type nut, though.
Actually, in most metro areas there are a few prepress houses left. And there are plenty of printers who use film. And clearly, the prepress house doesn't choose the printer -- it's usually the other way around.
In our case, we believe that the design firm should choose the application, the printer and the printing technique, assuming the firm can procure the services at a fair price. And I don't know of printer who charges more to accept InDesign files.
All of that having been said, I think you're exactly right -- Quark isn't going anywhere anytime soon. But I'm looking forward to the day (which I believe is coming) when Xpress vs. InDesign is pretty much like Illustrator vs. FreeHand. Everyone takes 'em, no one bitches and moans, and healthy competition between the two companies can benefit the end-user.
In the meantime, it will be up to designers to make the case to their clients (or bosses) that InDesign produces better looking type* (undisputably), and that attractive documents are in everyone's best interest.
Yo. Peace.
* I swear. It takes most people I know a LOT of time to get decent looking paragraphs (not to mention individual words) in Xpress. In InDesign, you have to TRY to make things look ugly. I'm a type nut, though.
I had this big project (for sorta big money) that required my presence on-site at a client's office. He wanted me to create documents that would be editable by production artists in his stable.
Never again.
evoluzione
macrumors 68020
ok, New York City, one of the most diverse, incredible cities on the planet. way way behind when it comes to technology, this is one of the bad points when it comes to a relatively new city, all that once new technology is just too expensive to replace when something bigger and better comes along. trust me, nyc is behind in so many ways, and for this reason quark will not fail. i am working at a company right now and they do not have ONE machine running OS X, they can't, the scanners and proofers (proofers not printers) will not run in OS X. Sure, InDesign when used in conjunction with Acrobat is mindblowing. it totally throws the publishing world into a major tizz. it's gonna take a long time to get there though. and until that happens, quark will sell well.
having said that, moxie, i'm with you, keyboard shortcuts are where it's at with quark. i rarely use a mouse either. i can do so much in quark in so little time it's funny. also, quark 3.32 is still a killer app.
having said that, moxie, i'm with you, keyboard shortcuts are where it's at with quark. i rarely use a mouse either. i can do so much in quark in so little time it's funny. also, quark 3.32 is still a killer app.
Laurent
macrumors regular
Re: Re: Quark Xpress sur la gueule!
If only I was happy with InDesign, but I am not. Maybe InDesign 3.0 will bring less palette floating everywhere and more precise tools (like guides for instance - Illustrator-like is a real pain).
Oh don't get me wrong, the UI itself is pure crap! But since it's the result that matter, I rather work with QuarkXpress and get precise things. I have learn to use it, and I work faster in it, even though I've been using InDesign for a year now and manage to get things done.
If only I was happy with InDesign, but I am not. Maybe InDesign 3.0 will bring less palette floating everywhere and more precise tools (like guides for instance - Illustrator-like is a real pain).
Belly-laughs
macrumors 6502a
Quark 6 v ID3
So Quark think they´ve finally closed the gap. Well, behold ID3!
People mention the similaritets between Xpress an Windows users. Don´t we all now see the similarities between Quark and Microsoft?
So Quark think they´ve finally closed the gap. Well, behold ID3!
People mention the similaritets between Xpress an Windows users. Don´t we all now see the similarities between Quark and Microsoft?
Re: Quark, Shmork
I work at a "full service provider" for the Textbook industry, where we do Editorial through final printed books. I've watched this issue for a while with interest. So far our customers (including all of the major publishers in the industry) still have us working in Quark 4.11, with the odd PageMaker or FileMaker jog that comes through. A number of them have expressed interest in InDesign and are testing it (as we have done a litte of as well) as well as FileMaker. I have not heard of a commitment by any of the publishers to a program other than Quark 4.11. I do think that the industry is looking for a better solution, which will save them time and money (one of them is sending the production work to India). Quark's days could be numbered, but I wouldnt count them out yet. The fact is that most of the planning for the jobs that are bieng done this year is done, the contracts bieng awarded, and work soon to be started. I dont see a major industry (text book publishing) move away from Quark 4.11 untill next spring, after all the testing and comparison of workflows can be fully investigated and new projects kick off.
I work at a "full service provider" for the Textbook industry, where we do Editorial through final printed books. I've watched this issue for a while with interest. So far our customers (including all of the major publishers in the industry) still have us working in Quark 4.11, with the odd PageMaker or FileMaker jog that comes through. A number of them have expressed interest in InDesign and are testing it (as we have done a litte of as well) as well as FileMaker. I have not heard of a commitment by any of the publishers to a program other than Quark 4.11. I do think that the industry is looking for a better solution, which will save them time and money (one of them is sending the production work to India). Quark's days could be numbered, but I wouldnt count them out yet. The fact is that most of the planning for the jobs that are bieng done this year is done, the contracts bieng awarded, and work soon to be started. I dont see a major industry (text book publishing) move away from Quark 4.11 untill next spring, after all the testing and comparison of workflows can be fully investigated and new projects kick off.
Belly-laughs
macrumors 6502a
groovebuster
macrumors 65816
Against both conventional wisdom and my own experience, I am hoping Quark got version 6 right. I have 5 working in Classic with only one glaring issue - screen redraws. To get around that i just tap F7 - Show/Hide Guides. I am just looking for stability. I could care less about Web features or XML but a better table function would rock.
I have been using ID for a while now and I like it. The only issue I have is text wrapping. I think I need to read up on that. I had some body copy wrapping around a tinted illustration with a headline above both of them and on its own layer but the text wrap still was affecting the headline. Anyone have any thoughts?
- David
I have been using ID for a while now and I like it. The only issue I have is text wrapping. I think I need to read up on that. I had some body copy wrapping around a tinted illustration with a headline above both of them and on its own layer but the text wrap still was affecting the headline. Anyone have any thoughts?
- David
Moxiemike
macrumors 68020
Full res previews but only if you give quark your serial no, name, addrss, date of birth, social security number, access to your machine at all times, keys to your new car, your first born, a letter from you gramma and $899.
I got my full res previews with InDesign for $199. 😉
The spyware they have installed is ridiculous.
In all fairness, Quark's licensing scheme for version 6 sounds absolutely industry-standard for the UNIX world. Site licenses live on a license server: very typical stuff that's understandably unfamiliar to personal computer users.
But the big, giant disclaimer is that I haven't actually used Quark since the days of 3.32 (which I agree was the pinnacle of Quark's evolution, kinda like Illustrator 3.2 or Photoshop 3.0.4). If there's something out there about the Quark license system that I don't know about, I reserve the right to pretend that it was actually my evil twin who wrote this.
Moxiemike
macrumors 68020
Re: Why many Quark users don't switch to ID2
God. What about all of the metal typesetters who had to learn a WHOLE new technology when the computer became a staple.
THAT was a learning curve! The switch from Quark to ID is relatively painless. I did it in about an hour, used Xpress shortcuts for awhile, moved to AI shortcuts and I was off and running.
The thing is, all of you people are identifying the workman with the software. And that's lame and stupid and dumb. If the workman cannot adapt his work habits to suit the environment (i.e. a Quark studio v. and InDesign studio) then maybe his value IS less. His cognitive abilities must be pretty lacking if one cannot make a switch.
How about all of the steelworkers in Southwestern PA? When the mills closed, they didn't jump on Macrumors and post about how Quark has such an established base and how switching will make them lose their value.
When they lost their jobs, alot of them went out and started businesses. Bars, Restaurants, music stores, etc etc etc.
Some got some extra education and started corporations.
As a small business owner, if a prospective empolyee walked in for an interview and told me he would only work on Quark because he's invested so much time in it... well, his resumé would be in the circular file faster than you can say "multiple undos"
and that's the secret of the workplace-- adapt or move on. 🙂 Tough world. But if they wanna cry about their skillset being compromised.... i'll play 'em a song on the worlds smallest violin.
God. What about all of the metal typesetters who had to learn a WHOLE new technology when the computer became a staple.
THAT was a learning curve! The switch from Quark to ID is relatively painless. I did it in about an hour, used Xpress shortcuts for awhile, moved to AI shortcuts and I was off and running.
The thing is, all of you people are identifying the workman with the software. And that's lame and stupid and dumb. If the workman cannot adapt his work habits to suit the environment (i.e. a Quark studio v. and InDesign studio) then maybe his value IS less. His cognitive abilities must be pretty lacking if one cannot make a switch.
How about all of the steelworkers in Southwestern PA? When the mills closed, they didn't jump on Macrumors and post about how Quark has such an established base and how switching will make them lose their value.
When they lost their jobs, alot of them went out and started businesses. Bars, Restaurants, music stores, etc etc etc.
Some got some extra education and started corporations.
As a small business owner, if a prospective empolyee walked in for an interview and told me he would only work on Quark because he's invested so much time in it... well, his resumé would be in the circular file faster than you can say "multiple undos"
and that's the secret of the workplace-- adapt or move on. 🙂 Tough world. But if they wanna cry about their skillset being compromised.... i'll play 'em a song on the worlds smallest violin.
Moxiemike
macrumors 68020
That's not what's bothersome. What's bothersome is that to UNLOCK features that you paid $899 for, you MUST register it over the net.
That's just lame. I mean, for a $20 shareware program, sure. But not for a friggin' "industry standard" software package. It's like "if you're good, mommy quark will give you an extra cookie at dinner"
Eff that 😀
mangoman
macrumors 6502a
Heh. I love it! And totally agree.
I experienced upgrading 4x to Quark 5 when it was released. I remember the elitist attitude of the sales rep on the phone. Wow, was that annoying. Wasn't there an incident where Quark users picketed the Quark booth at a Mac show a few years back?