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yeah i read that register for high res previews thing. makes me stick, i'm a quark "fan" rather than iD but that is just not "mac", i'd expect that in the windows world, but no, i don't like that at all. i still wanna try Q6 out mind, but i'm also looking forward to iD3, maybe it'll tempt me to make the jump for good, who knows, and Moxie, I totally agree with you, adapt and move on, if you don't/can't someone else will and you'll be left behind.
Re: What's the big deal?
You obvious only read what you wanted to read from my posts: It's not neccessarily the registration that bugs me, it's that you have to do it to unlock a feature that's been in a certain, far superior app for years, and you STILL have to pay $899 for it.
Lame.
And if you don't want to register it (and i know many people who don't, why i don't know....) You can't even save the documents you're working on.
Big brother? Sounds like it to me.
You obvious only read what you wanted to read from my posts: It's not neccessarily the registration that bugs me, it's that you have to do it to unlock a feature that's been in a certain, far superior app for years, and you STILL have to pay $899 for it.
Lame.
And if you don't want to register it (and i know many people who don't, why i don't know....) You can't even save the documents you're working on.
Big brother? Sounds like it to me.
Re: Re: DEMO
i hate that being treated like a criminal thing. when i walk into a store in nyc and have to check my bag, wtf!? i just walk straight back out again, i'm not gonna leave my bag, which sometimes has a lot of expensive stuff in it, with some $5/hour jackass. this quark "demo" thing just smacks of that.
Originally posted by Moxiemike
an $899 demo.
i hate that being treated like a criminal thing. when i walk into a store in nyc and have to check my bag, wtf!? i just walk straight back out again, i'm not gonna leave my bag, which sometimes has a lot of expensive stuff in it, with some $5/hour jackass. this quark "demo" thing just smacks of that.
Re: real nice.
no. i think that the $5/hr jackass is a rent-a-cop with a probable inclination towards abuse of power.
THAT's what makes him a jackass. Like Quark ABUSING their "power"
no. i think that the $5/hr jackass is a rent-a-cop with a probable inclination towards abuse of power.
THAT's what makes him a jackass. Like Quark ABUSING their "power"
Re: huh?
Obviously you're only gonna listen to yourself. I'm not saying i havce a problem with registering the software. I register ALL of my software, and i'm all legal and squeaky clean. The problem is that to unlock features you HAVE to register it.
I know companies who don't want to register their very legal versions of software. Why? I dunno. But... they SHOULD have the option of getting a 100% feature full software package for their $899 sacrifice,.
Obviously you're only gonna listen to yourself. I'm not saying i havce a problem with registering the software. I register ALL of my software, and i'm all legal and squeaky clean. The problem is that to unlock features you HAVE to register it.
I know companies who don't want to register their very legal versions of software. Why? I dunno. But... they SHOULD have the option of getting a 100% feature full software package for their $899 sacrifice,.
At the end of the day it all boils down to fact that Quark is greedy. I know I used to work for them.
This is going to come back and shoot them in the foot, because like it or not 50% of their market base is using a pirate copy - and Quark knows it.
They used to like this fact because they would say that they'd rather have:
100 paying users
50 pirate users
5 Indesign users
than
125 paying users
30 Indesign users
Now they have decided that they would rather have the cash from 125 users than from 100. Personally I think it's a mistake - if you were a student, self-employed designer, startup, etc... and you had the choice what would you do - buy/bootleg ID, PS, ILL, ACROBAT for $1000 (or less) or buy Quark for $1000 and then buy PS, ILL, ACROBAT? I know what I'd do!
Quark WILL lose market share over this.
This is going to come back and shoot them in the foot, because like it or not 50% of their market base is using a pirate copy - and Quark knows it.
They used to like this fact because they would say that they'd rather have:
100 paying users
50 pirate users
5 Indesign users
than
125 paying users
30 Indesign users
Now they have decided that they would rather have the cash from 125 users than from 100. Personally I think it's a mistake - if you were a student, self-employed designer, startup, etc... and you had the choice what would you do - buy/bootleg ID, PS, ILL, ACROBAT for $1000 (or less) or buy Quark for $1000 and then buy PS, ILL, ACROBAT? I know what I'd do!
Quark WILL lose market share over this.
Re: I guess.
Again, you're gonna twist what i'm saying and im gonna keep upping my post count.
$899 is expensive when you consider you can get aDesign Collection for $999. For a lot of small firms, $899 is a ton of cash. Hell, for a lot of Eastern European countries, $899 might as well be $8999.
And lets just assume that people don't want to register it, whatever their reasons may be. $899 is a lot for a demo.
Again, you're gonna twist what i'm saying and im gonna keep upping my post count.
$899 is expensive when you consider you can get aDesign Collection for $999. For a lot of small firms, $899 is a ton of cash. Hell, for a lot of Eastern European countries, $899 might as well be $8999.
And lets just assume that people don't want to register it, whatever their reasons may be. $899 is a lot for a demo.
Re: hey...
I'm not talking about legal issues - I'm talking about what Quark's mind set was and how it has changed.
Quark also used to offer education discounts - now they don't.
My point is that the more difficult Quark makes it for people to learn and use the software - the more people will switch.
Under Quark's new scheme I can't have the software on my Mac at work and then have it installed at home as well - so That I can bring work home with me if I need to. Legally I couldn't do this before either, but I did - It meant that I could be more productive - Productivity is good - employers like that. If I can be more productive with another application then I will use that - even if it means a few weeks of fumbling around and re-learning some stuff.
Most license agreements nowadays allow for the software to be installed on multiple computers - as long as it is only used on one at a time. Quark does not allow for the fact that some designers have a PowerMac for their design work at home/office and a laptop that they bring to a customer to do the final touches. Do they really expect my to buy 2 copies of XPress - or even worse Passport (Which incidentally they still sell for version 6 even though OSX is multi-lingual!)
I'm not talking about legal issues - I'm talking about what Quark's mind set was and how it has changed.
Quark also used to offer education discounts - now they don't.
My point is that the more difficult Quark makes it for people to learn and use the software - the more people will switch.
Under Quark's new scheme I can't have the software on my Mac at work and then have it installed at home as well - so That I can bring work home with me if I need to. Legally I couldn't do this before either, but I did - It meant that I could be more productive - Productivity is good - employers like that. If I can be more productive with another application then I will use that - even if it means a few weeks of fumbling around and re-learning some stuff.
Most license agreements nowadays allow for the software to be installed on multiple computers - as long as it is only used on one at a time. Quark does not allow for the fact that some designers have a PowerMac for their design work at home/office and a laptop that they bring to a customer to do the final touches. Do they really expect my to buy 2 copies of XPress - or even worse Passport (Which incidentally they still sell for version 6 even though OSX is multi-lingual!)
Re: Re: Re: Quark Xpress sur la gueule!
You can customize palettes in ID2, and you can specify exact guide placement using the transform palette. Maybe I'm not familiar enough with the Quark advantage in these areas, but I've never had any problem with precision in InDesign.
Enlighten me.
You can customize palettes in ID2, and you can specify exact guide placement using the transform palette. Maybe I'm not familiar enough with the Quark advantage in these areas, but I've never had any problem with precision in InDesign.
Enlighten me.
How did the 50 pirate users count as market share in the first place? Looks to me like they gained 25 paying users.
All Quark is asking you to do is register the software. If you paid for it, what's the problem? It gives them a more accurate sample of who their users are and what computers those users are working on. Allowing some of the more sensible management at Quark to tell their nutcase leader when he asks, "Why are we bothering with Apple anyway?" they can say "Because we have hundreds of thousands of paying Apple users, that's why."
I realize that this IS Quark I am talking about and that conversation probably wouldn't happen but...it is Quark's perogative as to whether they make you register online or not. If you don't like it...buy InDesign...those are our options as Designers...but at least we now HAVE another option...and Quark will adapt, innovate and listen to it's customers or die off.
Which is exactly what i've been saying. but for the people who don't wanna switch, they;re strongarmed.
I'm not saying quark is the answer, nor it is the devil. but it's not ideal. I think ID is a bit more ideal to a smaller design firm.
1) Because that was 50 Quark users who when they came to be employed would demand QXP instead of ID.
2) The problem is that not only are they asking you to register it they requiring that you activate it on your Hardware:
http://www.quark.com/products/xpress/tech_info/product_activation.html
As I said this limits me to running the software on 1 computer, so it means that I need to buy 1 copy for my PM and 1 copy for my PB.
3) when has Quark ever "adapt(ed), innovate(d) and (or) listen(ed) to it's customers"?
Re: real nice.
If you are able to fully use Adobe InDesign or QuarkXpress, you shouldn't be making 5$ an hour...
Re: Re: Re: Re: Quark Xpress sur la gueule!
It's all small things like that that bugs me! Like the fact that Mac OS X Finder won't remember the width of my columns the first time I open a window. I have to close the first window and open a second one for it the magicly remember that I prefer 3 large columns. >_<
If you put everything you need together in one tall palette (with many stages) and you need to switch from a short tab to a tall one (like the Transform tab and the Paragraph tab), the palette will move up to the menu bar it doesn't stay in place. You can lock its position, but it will be down 1 pixel the next time you open AID. I hope Adobe will address a solution to this problem with AID3...
It's all small things like that that bugs me! Like the fact that Mac OS X Finder won't remember the width of my columns the first time I open a window. I have to close the first window and open a second one for it the magicly remember that I prefer 3 large columns. >_<
Re: hehe...
Sorry, I should have read this more carefully...
But store clerks working at 5$ an hour ARE jackass... (JOKING)
Sorry, I should have read this more carefully...