Questionable Rumor Says iOS 13 Will Drop Support for iPhone 5s, iPhone 6 and 6 Plus, and iPhone SE

[PastaPrimav]

The poster you replied to mentioned the 6 and 6 Plus along with the SE and you replied they’re the same phone.

And you posted that the 6S and SE have different hardware/chipsets and they absolutely do not. They are the same phone.

 

[AppleHaterLover]

Say what? Please explain why iOS can’t use a newer, faster processor because it also works on older devices.

Does Win 10 run slow on an i9 just because it also runs on an older Core 2 Duo?

if the OS has to support older processors, of course it won’t be able to require more horsepower. There’s only so much optimization can do.

It’s about time we dropped A7 and A8.

 

[duervo]

I’m skeptical when it comes to some of those devices that are listed. I suspect some form of obsolescence with iOS13, but not as widespread as suggested.

The iPad Air and mini 2 wouldn’t surprise me, though. Neither would the 6 or 6 Plus. The rest? Meh ... I’ll believe it when I see it.

Then again, Apple is pushing the release of some service-targeted stuff in the next update to iOS 12, so it could be that they are going to get the latest offerings of their core services (ie: new Apple TV app, the already-launched News+, etc.) strategy on these devices with iOS 12, and then leave them behind with 13. People won’t have to go out and buy a new devices to use their updated services stuff, so I suspect that the impact to Apple’s services will be minimal as a result of this, assuming it’s true and accurate.

 

[code-m]

8 GB iPhone 3GS (discontinued in September 2012, dropped by iOS 7 in September 2013) and 8 GB iPhone 4 (discontinued in September 2013, dropped by iOS 8 in September 2014). This is something you could have easily researched.

On average an iPhone receives 4-5 years of iOS updates and support, compare this to any AndroidOS phone, this is great value for an initial higher cost of purchase.

iPhone (A1) released 2007, discontinued in 2008 and dropped 2011.
iPhone 3G (A2) released 2008, discontinued in 2010 and dropped 2012.
iPhone 3GS (A3) released 2009, discontinued in 2012 and dropped 2013.
iPhone 4 (A4) released 2010, discontinued in 2013 and dropped 2014.
iPhone 4S (A5) released 2011, discontinued in 2014 and dropped 2015.
iPhone 5 (A6) released 2012, discontinued in 2013 and dropped 2016.
iPhone 5S (A7) released 2013, discontinued in 2016 and dropped 2017.
iPhone 6 (A8) released 2014, discontinued in 2018 and dropped 2018.
iPhone 6S (A9) released 2015, discontinued in 2018 and dropped 2019/20 (predicted).
iPhone SE (A9) released 2016, discontinued in 2019 and dropped 2019/20 (predicted).
iPhone 7 (A10) released 2016, discontinued in 2019 and dropped 2020/21 (predicted).
iPhone 8 (A11) released 2017, discontinued in 2020 and dropped 2021/22 (predicted).
iPhone X (A11) released 2017, discontinued in 2018 presently supported and dropped 2023/24 (predicted).
iPhone XR (A12) released 2018, discontinued in 2019 (predicted) presently supported and dropped 2023/24 (predicted).
iPhone XS (A12) released 2018, discontinued in 2019 (predicted) presently supported and dropped 2024/25 (predicted).
iPhone ? (A?) released 2019

 

[groove-agent]

This would be such a shady move by Apple to get people to upgrade their phones to increase sales.

I won't upgrade because I can't justify the current iPhone prices given the feature difference. My 6S still works like a charm and does everything I need it to. I've replaced it 3 times with another 6s.

None of the new features on the last few iOS releases are "must have" anyway, and the iOS13 rumoured features aren't "must have" either. I likely won't upgrade either my phone, or iOS.

 

[code-m]

There was a rumour to that affect. That’s why I stated it.

Well you can differentiate between a logical and illogical rumour no need to go down the nonsensical path.

If a rumour was released that the next iPhone will have an SD slot would you just roll with it, come on this is Apple we are talking about.

 

[Ojiisan]

Phones that are losing support?

5S- definitely
6/Plus- Maybe
SE- No way

Of course I could be proven wrong but the SE in my opinion is just too young.

Sure hope they keep updating the wife's SE. Just bought a new iMac last month. Bought a iPhone X last year. The wife likes her SE.

 

[YaBe]

Someone still isn't forced to buy Apple products even if they are part of the ecosystem. I'm heavily in the Apple ecosystem (iPhone, Apple Watch, 2 Macs at work, 2 Macs at home, iCloud, and Apple Music) but use a Dell laptop (running Linux) as my main personal computer.

Being tied to an ecosystem increases inertia for using some other brand but there is still choice.

Yeah but the world does not revolve around you, for some it is a must to stay in the Ecosystem.

I am with you, and switched many times back and forward, but it's not a me me me situation, other people feel like they are forced to stay as their investment makes them locked.

I am happy you feel free to chose, for other is not that simple, for some it is impossible as they rely on some software NOT avaiable on other platform.

Widen your views and yes of course no one will point a gun at you, but Apple ro die, but you know what the guy ment!

 

[ksec]

I can see the 6 and 6 Plus being dropped as they have 1GB of RAM and is almost 5 years old, but having the SE being dropped would suck.

I don't mind them dropping the SE, they still have iOS 12 which is very fast.

But if they are dropping it I want a iPhone XE slipped under the XR Price range, so $649? Assuming FaceID could get smaller in size to be fitted within. A 5.5" iPhone XE would have the same width as 4.7" iPhone 8

 

[code-m]

No support for SE and no new SE would mean, that I quit the Apple ecosystem altogether, canceling my music and iCloud subscriptions, selling my two macs.

The SE was on the discontinued store, you knew very well that it would not be supported for longer than a year maybe two max. What if an update is released then what?

 

[dampfnudel]

My mom’s 5s will probably be replaced later this year and if the SE also gets stuck at iOS 12 like my mom’s 5s, I think the chances that Apple will release a nice replacement called the iPhone XE will be much greater than we thought. Same size as the 5s/SE, a screen size of about 5”, speedy A12 and FaceID at a price similar to what my mom paid for her 5s, but with higher capacity.

 

[b11051973]

Hope it isn't true for the SE. I replaced my dad's old 5C last fall with a used SE. It seemed to me at the time the SE would get iOS updates for at least another two to three years.

 

[fmillion]

Just because it can run it, doesn't mean Apple will allow you to run it.

Take a look at the macOS patchers that have come out every year. Is there any good reason to drop support for my aging but still fully functional 2011 MacBook Air in Mojave? You can't even argue a 64-bit versus 32-bit driver issue at this point. But Apple simply decided "no more OS support for you". Of course with macOS I can choose to load any version I want on my machine - not so with iOS.

Another reason Apple might stop supporting a device isn't because the CPU isn't capable but because some other feature they want to add isn't supported by some other peripheral hardware. I think one of the main drivers between dropping older Macs from macOS has been things like continuity support and "use your iPhone to call from your Mac" type features. If you're someone who doesn't care about those features, you can use the macOS patcher and go about your merry way. (And sometimes you can even get those features working after all.) But with iOS, it's different - since it truly is a monolithic package in Apple's mind, if the hardware in the 5S or 6 doesn't support Amaz!ng Feature #4, those devices have gotta go.

And the shareholders are going to be quite happy to see this, with the dwindling iPhone sales.

 

[lartola]

Seems that the cut off is based on ram as the SE and the 6S plus have the same chip.

The SE and the 6s also have the same RAM, 2 GB. If the SE was dropped from getting support, then so would the 6s have to be, which I doubt. I think they’re only going to drop the 5s because its processor is too old and it has only 1 GB in RAM, and perhaps the 6 and 6 plus too because, like the 5s, they only have 1 GB in RAM.

As for iPads I would imagine the iPad Air 1st gen will lose support along with the iPad mini 2 and 3, all of which also only have 1 GB in RAM
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Hope it isn't true for the SE. I replaced my dad's old 5C last fall with a used SE. It seemed to me at the time the SE would get iOS updates for at least another two to three years.

I doubt it’s true about the SE losing support. The SE has the same internals (CPU, RAM) as the 6s and we know almost for sure the 6s will still get iOS 13.
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The SE was on the discontinued store, you knew very well that it would not be supported for longer than a year maybe two max. What if an update is released then what?

Actually, the SE first came out in the spring of 2016 so by now it has been supported for three years. Since it has the same internals as the 6s, it could easily get one more year just like the 6s likely will.

 

[code-m]

I’m skeptical when it comes to some of those devices that are listed. I suspect some form of obsolescence with iOS13, but not as widespread as suggested.

The iPad Air and mini 2 wouldn’t surprise me, though. Neither would the 6 or 6 Plus. The rest? Meh ... I’ll believe it when I see it.

Then again, Apple is pushing the release of some service-targeted stuff in the next update to iOS 12, so it could be that they are going to get the latest offerings of their core services (ie: new Apple TV app, the already-launched News+, etc.) strategy on these devices with iOS 12, and then leave them behind with 13. People won’t have to go out and buy a new devices to use their updated services stuff, so I suspect that the impact to Apple’s services will be minimal as a result of this, assuming it’s true and accurate.

You do realize your device will still turn on and be usable, you just won’t receive anymore iOS upgrades. If you are happy with what you have today then why be envious of what the future holds. Cannot buy a Tesla Model 3 and request for Model S improvements.

 

[rp2011]

I’m sure Apple will continue to support iOS 12 and all the devices stuck on it for at least a few more years if this is the case. Software is fluid, sadly hardware isn’t. We’ve seen new hardware stuck with a limiting software for a couple of years now,

 

[terpsbball2002]

The SE and the 6s also have the same RAM, 2 GB. If the SE was dropped from getting support, then so would the 6s have to be, which I doubt. I think they’re only going to drop the 5s because its processor is too old and it has only 1 GB in RAM, and perhaps the 6 and 6 plus too because, like the 5s, they only have 1 GB in RAM.

If 2GB is the issue, why doesn't the iPhone 7 and 8 get chopped too? (assuming there is any truth to this rumor).

That would suck to have a 8 and getting stuck on an older version of iOS.

 

[code-m]

Actually, the SE first came out in the spring of 2016 so by now it has been supported for three years. Since it has the same internals as the 6s, it could easily get one more year just like the 6s likely will.

I suspect the 6S and SE to have limited features in iOS 13, before being dropped in 2020. Still a very long run if you purchased during initial release year.

If you purchased an Android device that would have not received an update since you purchased it.

 

[lartola]

If 2GB is the issue, why doesn't the iPhone 7 and 8 get chopped too? (assuming there is any truth to this rumor).

That would suck to have a 8 and getting stuck on an older version of iOS.

1 GB is the issue, not 2 GB. That’s why I don’t think this rumor is true and the SE will still get iOS 13, while older devices with only 1 GB in RAM such as the iphone 5s, 6 and 6 plus may be left out of iOS 13.

 

[code-m]

If 2GB is the issue, why doesn't the iPhone 7 and 8 get chopped too? (assuming there is any truth to this rumor).

That would suck to have a 8 and getting stuck on an older version of iOS.

Even Apple TV 4K has an A10 chip.

RAM is the important bit in iOS, however the chip does have a fair bit to play. I suspect that it does not make financial sense to keep producing any A chip below A10. Thus the trade-in program to get people moving along.

I had experience this similar situation with two family members, both had an iPhone 6. Both were hesitant to upgrade and did not realize what was being missed as the 6 was acceptable. Once they upgraded to the XR, they iPhone experience world changed completely. Larger screen, stereo sound, P3 colour, bezel-less, camera, Qi, etc. Yes the headphone jack was lost, however BT was already being used and they preferred FaceID over TouchID. I understand this may not be the situation for some, however most people do not like to give up what their have been accustom to due to fear or something else. Both family members made a decent living too, just fear to upgrade. A phone is something we use and depend on everyday of our lives, it shocks me that people don’t think twice about spending on things that get used a few times then stored for years.

 

[realtuner]

And you posted that the 6S and SE have different hardware/chipsets and they absolutely do not. They are the same phone.

I said:

They’re not the same. The SE has the A9 processor and 2GB of RAM that the 6S and 6S Plus have. The 6/6 Plus have the A8 and 1GB of RAM.

So no, I never once claimed that the 6S and SE have different chipsets.

 

[goobot]

When has Apple ever dropped OS support for a device that it was selling as new just a year ago? Never.

Original iPad

 

[apolloa]

Yes, ecosystems help retain your customers, but they do not lock them in. That is absurd. Every person has a choice and if you upset a customer enough they can and will leave you no matter how strong your ecosystem is.

I use both iOS and AndroidOS, and am not locked into any eco system. If one does not shop around for cross platform alternatives who is at fault, plus it is quite easy to find cross platform compatibility with apps these days.

People locked in are the masses of Apple’s customers, but the tiny tiny tiny percentage in this site!
These customers are the ones with iPhones, kids with iPhones, family with iPhones, they use iMessage, they got used to how an iPhone works, they have countless apps on the iPhone, some have massive music collections bought through iTunes on iPhones..

For the many, it’s not ‘easy’ to drop one platform and move over to another.. losing a lot in the process.

 

[Motionblurrr]

Im still using 6. Gonna continue for another 2 years if possible.

Agreed. Even at launch I could tell the 1GB of RAM was going to a be a problem but man did I use the crap out of that phone for 4+ years. iOS 12 put life back into that iPhone and made it usable. iOS 11 was an absolute nightmare for that poor phone lmao

 

[Aston441]

The iPod touch 6 only has a gig of ram and it's still being sold...