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iOS 13 is expected to be a substantial upgrade with a radical home screen overhaul. It's logical that older devices will be unable to support these advanced new features and technologies from Apple. I don't think it's unreasonable to expect all people using iPhone 6s and older to upgrade this year.

I think that would actually be amazingly absurd. Apple usually drops support based on hardware functionality that isn't present, e.g. dropping support for any CPU that can't run 64-bit binaries, or dropping support for Intel hardware whose video chip had no 64-bit drivers. It is actually relatively rare for Apple to drop support for hardware based solely on performance.

Moreover, it would be utterly insane for Apple to make any key functionality dependent on having so much CPU horsepower available, for two reasons:

  • Even if some new home screen animation required slightly more CPU than older devices could handle easily, Apple could just disable the animation on slower CPUs or reduce the frame rate, and it would still work just fine.
  • Every time you do anything that requires a fast CPU, you're burning through battery. That is the exact opposite of what you want in a home screen, which by its very nature should use as little CPU power as possible, because any extra battery burned by the home screen is power that can't be used for anything important or useful.

So no, speaking as a software engineer with a significant operating systems background, what you are suggesting is neither logical nor reasonable.


Last time I checked a phone isn’t required to be running the latest software in order for it to work. Not being able to run iOS 13 won’t brick anyone’s phone.

The real problem is that Apple stops issuing security updates when they stop issuing OS updates. If Apple continued to release security updates for previous OSes like the do on the Mac, I would agree, but without that, continuing to run an old OS is a major risk.

On the other hand, the more devices of a given model Apple has out in the field, the more lucrative a botnet of those devices would be, and the more of a PR crisis it would be for Apple if that happened. The last thing Apple wants is to drop a model too early and get a reputation for not lax on security.

The iPhone 6s and earlier make up about 41% of all iPhones still in active use, as of last November. If Apple does what this article suggests, they're done. Nobody in their right minds would buy a phone from a company that would casually drop support for almost half of their users, leaving those devices to turn into the largest cell phone botnet in the history of computing.

That's how I know that Apple will not do this. Dropping the iPhone 5s? Maybe. Probably not, but not unthinkable. Dropping up through the 6s? No way. There's not the slightest possibility that this is true. None whatsoever.
 
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Considering that the 2017 ipad runs the same specs as the iPhone 6s, I think Apple is obligated to keep supporting it for a few more years.

What I suspect will happen is that the 5s and 6 will stop being supported (as will any iOS device still running 1gb of ram). Devices with the A9 processor will still get ios 13, but they might not support many of the new features. So it’s really just an update in name only.

Take for example the rumours of the redesigned home screen. My guess is that it will take a page from the Siri watch face and provide contextual information based on various factors. If Apple makes it work only on devices from the A10 onwards, then the 6s won’t get it. We saw something similar with the iPhone 4 and 4s not getting many of the ios 7 redesigns because the processor simply wasn’t powerful enough to support the physics of it.
 
Highly doubtful, didn’t they just have a limited re-release of the iPhone SE they’d be shooting themselves in the foot. Besides apple is known to support phones for at least 5 years so they might drop the 5S and 6 but the 6S highly doubtful
 
Funny how people here are ready to accept this totally unsubstantiated rumor as fact, and pummel Apple for a major fail, rather than figure the source to be desperate for clicks, which has a *much* higher probability of being the case.
I'm happy to take what you as as gospel but can you run me through some basic numbers/examples to back up your statistics please?
 
As a developer I hope they'll drop support for the 4'' phones, is getting harder to design an app supporting such a tiny screen size.
I like the SE, I know a lot of people still buy it and are happy with the smaller phone, but it is time to move to something bigger. I wish they made a "notch" version of the SE, so small body but bigger display.

I'd be surprised if they dropped support for the 6s, while I'm fine with 6 and 6+ not getting 13. Current version is fast and the 6 came out 5 years ago, I think it was supported for long enough.
I do however expect them to support iOS 12 if some critical bug comes out next year, I think it is important to have the important security patches even if you don't have the latest iOS
 
Apple has an incentive to fill iOS 13 with a massive truck load of fun and useful features, which will get a lot of people on iPhone 5s - 6S to upgrade.

People who see this as a mischievous plan are inconsiderate of the difficulty that comes from maintaining support for so many devices, and having features that those devices can run without being strained by processing power / screen size. In my opinion, this is a natural next step for iOS that Apple can happen to leverage for more sales. Better software that relies on better hardware may be key to selling more new iPhones.

If they stop supporting A9 chips this year already then I will stop using Apple forever. Support is one of their main differentiating strengths.
 
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Funny how people here are ready to accept this totally unsubstantiated rumor as fact, and pummel Apple for a major fail, rather than figure the source to be desperate for clicks, which has a *much* higher probability of being the case.

Isn't that how the internet works?
 
Why would they continue selling the iPhone SE if it will no longer be supported later this year?

Makes no sense.... yet, I've come to expect such things from Apple.

That’s why in the last week apple have been unloading them in the online apple store.
 
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Very unlikely - especially as the iPad mini 4 is still being sold and they can't exactly drop support for something that is literally still on the shelves 6 months before they release the update. Would heavily question the 6S and SE being dropped too as they have been on sale in the timeframe of the last year. If a 6S was bought on release and they stopped supporting it now, it would be *fine* but if someone bought a device a year ago and it's not supported now, that's kinda ridiculous and will make people less likely to buy iPhones in the future.
 
I think that would actually be amazingly absurd. Apple usually drops support based on hardware functionality that isn't present, e.g. dropping support for any CPU that can't run 64-bit binaries, or dropping support for Intel hardware whose video chip had no 64-bit drivers. It is actually relatively rare for Apple to drop support for hardware based solely on performance.

Moreover, it would be utterly insane for Apple to make any key functionality dependent on having so much CPU horsepower available, for two reasons:

  • Even if some new home screen animation required slightly more CPU than older devices could handle easily, Apple could just disable the animation on slower CPUs or reduce the frame rate, and it would still work just fine.
  • Every time you do anything that requires a fast CPU, you're burning through battery. That is the exact opposite of what you want in a home screen, which by its very nature should use as little CPU power as possible, because any extra battery burned by the home screen is power that can't be used for anything important or useful.

So no, speaking as a software engineer with a significant operating systems background, what you are suggesting is neither logical nor reasonable.




The real problem is that Apple stops issuing security updates when they stop issuing OS updates. If Apple continued to release security updates for previous OSes like the do on the Mac, I would agree, but without that, continuing to run an old OS is a major risk.

On the other hand, the more devices of a given model Apple has out in the field, the more lucrative a botnet of those devices would be, and the more of a PR crisis it would be for Apple if that happened. The last thing Apple wants is to drop a model too early and get a reputation for not lax on security.

The iPhone 6s and earlier make up about 41% of all iPhones still in active use, as of last November. If Apple does what this article suggests, they're done. Nobody in their right minds would buy a phone from a company that would casually drop support for almost half of their users, leaving those devices to turn into the largest cell phone botnet in the history of computing.

That's how I know that Apple will not do this. Dropping the iPhone 5s? Maybe. Probably not, but not unthinkable. Dropping up through the 6s? No way. There's not the slightest possibility that this is true. None whatsoever.

This exactly. Assuming that Apple execs haven’t gone insane, they can’t suddenly drop models as ”new” as the 6s from update support unless they simultaneously start releasing security updates that are not tied to the latest iOS. I would jump to Android immediately if Apple were to cut their one remaining strength that drastically.

I can see them dropping the 5s and also the 6 with their limited 1GB of RAM, but the 6s and SE with 2GB, no way.
 
Honestly.. just because a new annual iOS is out, it doesn't really mean much, unless its features are super compelling or it fixes something that is totally broken. But when was the last time Apple released an iOS that made us go "omg I NEED this update" (other than the stability fixes on iOS 12 that help drive older devices better).

From my personal POV I'm still running 11 on my 10.5" iPP and I'm not missing anything at all (other than the new hideous gestures and control centre). If 13 is another snoozefest with unnecessary iPhone X parity tricks, I'm sticking to 11.
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Highly doubtful, didn’t they just have a limited re-release of the iPhone SE they’d be shooting themselves in the foot. Besides apple is known to support phones for at least 5 years so they might drop the 5S and 6 but the 6S highly doubtful

Indeed. The SE has the same internals as the 6S sans 3D Touch. It would be nonsensical to support 6S and not the SE. IMHO the 6 and 5S will be goners.
 
I think the iPhone SE will be dropped this year. Next year 6, the following year iPhone SE and 6S.

That's generally the Apple pattern!
 
I would find reasonable that anything below 2 GB RAM goes under.

The 6s, SE, Air 2 and Mini 4 would be the minimal threshold.
 
The iPad mini 4 is a device currently sold by Apple, it uses the A8 chip set so devices using the A8 chipset and newer are safe for iOS 13 and probably iOS 14.
 
Indeed. The SE has the same internals as the 6S sans 3D Touch. It would be nonsensical to support 6S and not the SE. IMHO the 6 and 5S will be goners.

They do have different display sizes. It would make sense to drop support for the SE so the minimum display size supported in iOS 13 is 4.7''
It depends whether they're going to overhaul the UI this year or if they'll wait 2020. New iPhones have no home button and the aspect ratio in taller, so it is time to revisit the UI. If they start in 13 why bothering supporting 4'' displays?
That's why it would make perfectly sense to support the 6s and ditch the beloved SE.
 
I can see the 5S getting the chop but the 6 and 6S? Nah I just can't see that happening although I reckon I can see the 6 getting the chop in 2020 however.

I could see the 6 getting dropped.
Last generation of 1 GB iPhones, only minor CPU-bump compared to 5S.
If the 5S wouldn't haven gotten 1 year more than expected due to iOS 12, the 6 would be due this year anyway.

The 6S and SE are totally different animals, double the RAM, way stronger chip.
 
My 6S runs great on iOS12. As I'm probably one of the few who doesn't care about dark mode (I tried it for a few days on my Macbook and hated it) I wouldn't be too bothered if they dropped support for the 6S. However, I doubt it'll happen anyway.
 
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I highly doubt they will drop 6 and 6S - last year Cook boasted that iOS 12 can run on then 5 yr old 5S. 6 will turn 5 years old this September so that would mean iOS 13 will be its last new update.
 
Apple has an incentive to fill iOS 13 with a massive truck load of fun and useful features, which will get a lot of people on iPhone 5s - 6S to upgrade.

People who see this as a mischievous plan are inconsiderate of the difficulty that comes from maintaining support for so many devices, and having features that those devices can run without being strained by processing power / screen size. In my opinion, this is a natural next step for iOS that Apple can happen to leverage for more sales. Better software that relies on better hardware may be key to selling more new iPhones.
Microsoft is looking at you. So does the Google and Android.
Apple only has a handful of devices to maintain, compared to Windows and Android, both of which covers a huge range of products.
 
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