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If the tables were turned and this was Apple's navigation app, I bet 90% of people on MacRumors wouldn't want it to be multi-platform. People are so selfish..
 
I don't really see the comparison. That is an app that users can use to pin-point their location. Google is driving around the world archiving every network and them selling that data to whom ever offers them the most money. All without ever asking anyone. They just take a bit too much liberty with people's information.

They do ask you, and you do know about it. Don't use Google then no problem, but are they any different from anyone else.

I wonder how long AT&T keeps our information and SMS on their servers.
Anyone knows? :confused:
 
I think we would all much rather see Google and Apple cooperate on some great new products, then behaving like silly little brats and going after each other's markets. The competition is always healthy and needed, but this seems to be turning into something a little more sinister. ...And as we probably agree, it is somewhat unlikely to see a free turn-by-turn GPS nav from Google. The fact that they offer this to their Android customers is one of their differentiating features. Why would they want to give it up?
 
If the tables were turned and this was Apple's navigation app, I bet 90% of people on MacRumors wouldn't want it to be multi-platform. People are so selfish..

Or maybe people here understand that different companies can have different business strategies.

Google's strategy is to be all-inclusive and to get their fingers into your data and their ads in front of your eyes - no matter WHAT hardware you use.

Apple's strategy is to offer superb customer service, ease of use, and quality hardware in order to sell more hardware.

Why are you surprised that the two companies would use different tactics to accomplish their very different objectives?
 
I'd love to have the Google GPS on my iPhone.

But, given Apple's rejection of Google Voice, and Apple's recent bitter comments at Google, I'd hardly see Google motivated to offer it now. It's a shame.
 
Hurm. The big question is will Apple approve it? They wouldn’t let Latitude in the App Store because it “duplicates functionality.”

Why wouldn't Apple want Google to enhance the Maps application w/ this functionality? I guess it would kill off a segment of the AppStore, but it could lead towards increased hardware sales...

I've got to say though, I'm quite pleased with my Navigon. It's gotten me up and down the eastern seaboard several times, around the back county of NC and FL. Couldn't ask for a better App.
 
Why wouldn't Apple want Google to enhance the Maps application w/ this functionality?
Right. This would almost certainly be an update to the Maps app, not an App Store download. It's not like Google Voice.

While I would love to see this as a free GPS option, I'm much less excited after seeing how existing GPS apps will be able to function in the background in OS 4. The times I've needed GPS are times when I have no signal anyway, so an "offline" app is more useful (I'll probably get Navigon after OS 4 is out).
 
I agree 100%

Been Mac user for number of years and converted plenty of people from Windows to OS X...

But am not doing this anymore since few months ago simply because Apple has turn (or still turning) into bigger arseholes than what MS used to be!

I will be buying new MacBook Pro again when my current model dies and that is only because of OS X!

Rest of Apple products together with their draconian attitude can go and f.o. as far as I am concerned...

:)

Yep. In the last few months I've gone from an Apple fanboy to i-Product hater. Steve Jobs has become Big Brother, and Apple has become the Evil Empire.

I have started steering everyone I know toward Android, while before I used to steer them to the i-Phone.

When I replace my iPhones, it will be with Android.

I am not buying the iPad, but waiting for either the Google tablet, or one of the other upcoming Android tablets.

From "Love Apple" to "F**k Apple" in a few short months....
 
I'd love a built in free navigation on the iPhone, I mean Android has it, Nokia added it, time for Apple to step up, however it MUST have a "cachable" maps where you can just download a map of a region and you are set not using the 3G data.
 
I'd love to have the Google GPS on my iPhone.

But, given Apple's rejection of Google Voice, and Apple's recent bitter comments at Google, I'd hardly see Google motivated to offer it now. It's a shame.

Google Voice was rejected for an entirely different reason. Please try to keep up.

I suppose you're one of those people saying that Apple would never approve a web browser other than Safari, right?

{Apple's strategy is to offer superb customer service, ease of use, and quality hardware in order to sell more hardware.}

Those are some spectacular rose-colored glasses you wear.

At least I'm not wearing blinders.

Apple is CONSISTENTLY rated as having the best customer service in the industry - by far. Apple hardware reliability has always been rated as top or close to the top. And no one can rationally argue against Apple's focus on ease of use.

So where is your evidence that those things are wrong? Or do you just spend your time spewing lies on public forums?

What is Googles business model again?

In case that's a serious question, Google's model involves:
- Advertising as the main source of revenue
- Search engine and apps to drive advertising revenues
- Universal adoption of Google software to drive advertising revenue
- Accumulation of personal data as a means of targeting advertising efforts

What part of that don't you understand?
 
In case that's a serious question, Google's model involves:
- Advertising as the main source of revenue
- Search engine and apps to drive advertising revenues
- Universal adoption of Google software to drive advertising revenue
- Accumulation of personal data as a means of targeting advertising efforts

So not cell phones, email, navigation, power generation, high speed internet, ect.....

Thank you.
 
Navigon rocks, never had any problems, works as it should. Do I need to see trees when I am going to point b from point a. no i don't and most people don't either.

...
I have both Navigon NA and Navigon Europe.

Navigon NA is the best nav app on the iPhone, IMO. Navigon Europe is fine for Western Europe, but sucks for Eastern Europe.

But Navigon tends to lose signal more than TomTom, although in all fairness the iPhone is at best marginal for GPS, compared to most other phones.

Most HTC phones lock onto GPS signal much better than the iPhone.
 
Google created Android to create another avenue to push Google ads, to complement platforms like the iPhone, not compete with them. Google wants to be on the iPhone because it generates an inordinate amount of data traffic which means significant opportunities for Google to throw ads at it.
Yes, but Apple has entered the ads business as well. It seems Google's only avenue to show ads on iPhone is going to be through Google's own apps, unless it comes up with its own "premium" ad system, but it had so many years of opportunity on desktops and it did not.

On Android, Google can have its ad platform on every app, so it is understandable for Google to try to make Android more attractive through a feature like free navigation app. Granted, it is useless outside data coverage areas, but most people need navigation apps inside cities, so that may be good enough.
 
do you really not see a problem with the type of information Google is compiling on you? They have your email, your house on satellite, they document every internet search you make, and video you watch, and when you buy their phone, they literally can track you & listen in on every phone call... all ONE company. Not to mention the fact that they sat on the Board for Apple, and then after the iphone came out, had the brilliant idea to make their own smartphone using iphone features they were privy too from being on Apple's board.... whether or not you like Apple, that is a problem. And no matter how egotistical or arsehole-like Steve Jobs may possibly be, he isn't the one driving photo cars in front of your house, peering into your windows, showing complete satellite layouts of your community to any would be terrorists. Google IS evil, and can kiss my @$$.

LOL.
You think Apple isn't compiling information on you and selling it off to anyone. Let's see, Apple has my credit card number, my phone number, email, physical address, my contact list from my iphone, a list of every song I have, my gps coordinates, they could also listen in on every phone call I make - all ONE company.

Google has my email address and my contacts' email addresses. That's it. Sure it knows what I search for - I'll take that over them having my credit card number on file any day. So either double up your tin foil hat or realize all companies sell your info to others.

I wonder if the VP of Google spoke out of turn, giving his personal desire to see turn by turn on the iPhone and not giving the company's view.

Either that or they've just come to realize that Apple will sit on it and never give them an answer back, leaving it in App limbo forever.
 
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I suppose you're one of those people saying that Apple would never approve a web browser other than Safari, right?
...

LOL. Really now....

The reason Opera got approved is because it is even more dumbed down browser than Safari. It shows primitive mobile versions of sites, which is even more 1990s than the Flash-less Mobile Safari. So it doesn't really compete.

That, and for Apple to be able to point to something and say "we are open," when it gets sued at some point in the future.
 
LOL.


Google has my email address and my contacts' email addresses. That's it. Sure it knows what I search for - I'll take that over them having my credit card number on file any day.
You think Google can't mine your credit card number? Maybe they have already. Probably all your passwords as well. These guys are pretty smart you know.
 
LOL. Really now....

The reason Opera got approved is because it is even more dumbed down browser than Safari. It shows primitive mobile versions of sites, which is even more 1990s than the Flash-less Mobile Safari. So it doesn't really compete.

That, and for Apple to be able to point to something and say "we are open," when it gets sued at some point in the future.

Except that there were already a number of browsers available for the iPhone. There was no need to approve opera just to prove that there were others.

The fact is that people make up all sorts of silly arguments ("Apple will reject all browsers") and then when they're proven wrong, they won't admit it. Rather, they come up with inane rationalizations like yours.
 
Because... ...they acquiesced to censorship from the beginning and only drew a line in the sand after having their search algorithm hacked by the Chinese government? Before that, Google was a completely willing partner in censoring all of China's search results. How does that make them "not evil", exactly?

Why should we "admire" a company that thinks spying on their users is a good thing:



I don't think anyone believes competition in the phone space is bad. And I think you made that up, I don't remember seeing where Jobs said Google was "evil for bringing some competition in the mobile phone industry". You might want to source that comment you just made.


Ignoring for a moment that this would be hugely bad PR for Google that would make even non-iPhone users question whether Google can be trusted... (Who would they choose to block next?) Why would Google take away a huge and growing slice of ad revenues (Google being a company that makes almost all their money from ad revenues)?

"In multitasking, if you see a task manager... they blew it. Users shouldn't ever have to think about it."

Dude I like your signature.

I suppose you're taking the p... you do realise theres a task manager in iPhone OS 4 right? SO who blew it???
:rolleyes:

And maybe we should like Google for cool stuff like this????: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/...le-launches-1gbps-fiber-to-the-home-trial.ars

Granted its probably still to get more on the net for more data mining lol... but still i doubt those getting the access would refuse it..
 
Google is a company that we should admire, going up against Chinese censorship and really haven't done anything "evil". They seem to have found a way to make money and still look out for the general good.

Steve Jobs has the audacity to call Google evil for bringing some competition in the mobile phone industry. I don't even think Google wants to dominate the industry, they just want to make sure a system like Apple does not become the end all be all. They just want to make sure people have choices.

This is in no way meant as a way to compliment to Apple, I just want to get that out of the way before people that disagree reply with the customary fanboy label.

But Google in my opinion is hardly a company to admire. They are slowly eroding what little privacy people have left, and continuously on a regular basis help to themselves to people's information without so much as asking for permission. The latest example being that their street view cameras are capturing local WiFi networks and MAC address and saving them for Google's own interest.

They've made some great services, I love Google Analytics and Google Maps but I find their general attitude about privacy to be very alarming and it's a bit disturbing that people are throwing away their privacy in the name of free services. Of course people will only care once they feel they've been burned.

Google made a bold choice and went with the Big Lie by adopting the corporate motto "Don't be evil."
 
Google made a bold choice and went with the Big Lie by adopting the corporate motto "Don't be evil."

I'm not sure I'd say that.

Even though I believe Google is extremely dangerous and evil today (particularly with regard to their belief that it's OK to steal copyrighted intellectual property as long as the author hasn't specifically refused), I don't think they were always that way.

I suspect that they started out as a group of people who thought they could so something good - and probably really believed in 'Do No Evil'. It's only the years between then and now that have corrupted them and turned their logo into a lie.
 
You want free? Use Waze! It's worldwide, it's turn by turn, it speaks, it even does 3D for those who like that.

It is much improved over the last several updates. It would be nice if Waze did a couple things that the Google offerings do - cache the route and offer the Car Dock screen (letting me access iPod and Phone functionalities through a central screen that only offers a couple of very large buttons).

Now, if I could only get Waze to stop sending me on circuitous routes, which like the interface, is improving but not as good as many other offerings.
 
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