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Its a $3000+ electronic device on which nothing is repairable or upgradeable and Apple will force you to upgrade in a few years, by artificially blocking upgrades on perfectly capable hardware, or if a $5 part goes bad, and fill landfills with toxic chemical waste.

This was maybe understandable when the devices were ultra thin, with the new design there's no excuse. And they boast about being 'clean/renewable'.
People talking like you can use a Mac for a few years at best but everyone around me using it for 8-10 years while they discarded their "upgradable PCs" around 3-4 years. ?
 
The reason they’re able to get this kind of raw power and [lack of] power consumption is BECAUSE it’s a system-on-a-chip.
SoC has nothing to do with the SSD split by individual components soldered all around the board. That's only to make one pay extra for each TB of storage, especially ones estimating using these machines for 3-5+ years, knowing there is no option for cheaper like swapping SSD upgrade.
 
16" version shows 8 positions for the die for the SSD. 14" version shows 4 on visible side, likely has 4 more on the other side of the PCB.
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It would help to know the SSD config of each version shown in the above picts.
I wonder if we could attach additional SSDs (without removing any existing ones) to the empty connectors to expand storage?
In this video, the guy updated his M1 Air storage.
 
People talking like you can use a Mac for a few years at best but everyone around me using it for 8-10 years while they discarded their "upgradable PCs" around 3-4 years. ?

I've had my Dell since 2014 but my 2018 MBP died (I was getting a lot of crashes which showed up as 'Sleep Wake failure in EFI', then it just refused to turn on. It seems I have a defective motherboard, and this wasn't heavily used at all. Of course its out of warranty). I know its a single incident but just shows what happens.
 
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I wonder if we could attach additional SSDs (without removing any existing ones) to the empty connectors to expand storage?
Most likely it is possible. We only need to add some active (presumably, dc-dc & FET) and passive components missing.
At least, they still haven't killed this option for modern 64e iphones.
 
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I wonder if we could attach additional SSDs (without removing any existing ones) to the empty connectors to expand storage?
Doubt it. Used to repair a ton of intel ones. Everything is serialized internally and the board gets pissed off at the slightest change. I recall that port in rare circumstances could be used to bypass a dead logic board and retrieve data off the sdd.

For example some of the newer MBP's after a hardware change requires another Mac via USB-C to activate it over Apple servers to "approve" change of hardware in order for it to function.
 
I am not buying it but I can't wait for the iFixit version to see what's inside and to see if its repairable.
 
I tried to do a teardown on one at the Apple Store, but they wouldn't let me. I still got to close the lid and open it though. It closed and opened just how I thought it would. It was incredible.
 
For example some of the newer MBP's after a hardware change requires another Mac via USB-C to activate it over Apple servers to "approve" change of hardware in order for it to function.
That was exactly what the Asian guy has done with the 2020 M1 MBA after replacing the NAND modules with a pair of 512GB ones. Same is true for current iphones, those store its serials & MACs on the NAND no more, everything is written down to the SoC
 
Its a $3000+ electronic device on which nothing is repairable or upgradeable and Apple will force you to upgrade in a few years, by artificially blocking upgrades on perfectly capable hardware, or if a $5 part goes bad, and fill landfills with toxic chemical waste.
It must be depressing for you to wake up every day with this thinking. Let's see if I can talk you off the ledge.

1. We have e-recycling these days in many cities. Lots of people do it.
2. Your statement is patently wrong. If a $5 part goes bad, you just get it replaced. Yes, Apple will charge you $500 for it, but hey, you bought it. You'll fix it or you'll recycle it.
3. Lots of people are using 10+ year old Macs. So chill!
This was maybe understandable when the devices were ultra thin, with the new design there's no excuse. And they boast about being 'clean/renewable'.
If they're lying, we'll find out sooner or later.

In the meantime, if it bothers you that much, then you shouldn't use any technology at all. Just make your own papyrus like the ancient egyptians did, or write on dried animal skins like ancient man did.
No its not. If I make a car which which has to be trashed and I need to buy a new car if the viper or seatbelt stops working, its not more environment friendly in any way, even if it has far fewer components. Its in fact far far more damaging - just like Apple's devices.
More hyperbole doesn't make you right. Or smart.

People talking like you can use a Mac for a few years at best but everyone around me using it for 8-10 years while they discarded their "upgradable PCs" around 3-4 years. ?
More hyperbole, but yours goes in the other direction. The fact is, neither Macs nor PCs are better or worse than the other in all cases.

Fake drama is becoming tiresome, folks; regardless if you like, love, or hate Apple products.

If you really want something worthwhile to fight about, why not pit pancakes against waffles and french toast? Or put sausage up against bacon and canadian ham. At least those things are worth getting excited about! ?
;)
 
People talking like you can use a Mac for a few years at best but everyone around me using it for 8-10 years while they discarded their "upgradable PCs" around 3-4 years. ?
I have a 14 year old Thinkpad and a *21* year old HP Omnibook that work fine. That HP is 100% original, even its battery still kinda works. My 2015 MBP died after 4 years, my 2008 MBP died after 3 years - after having its motherboard replaced at 2 years.

In fact of all the laptops I've owned that failed beyond my ability to self repair - 66% of them have been Macbooks.
 
It is amazing that only one company in the world, Apple, designed consumer laptops that have the computing power of server grade machines. The thermal cooling design sounds brilliant. I remember PCs use to make whirring noises not unlike those mini fans (hand held with a C sized battery), maybe they still do if Intel is following their own road map.
 
Next step: design a machine that can't be opened for repair after leaving the factory. No screw holes to be found. Sleek aluminium body (minus fan holes) without compromise. If there is a crack on the screen, full machine replacement and damaged one got recycled thereafter.
oh really, then how come Apple added back ports, made the MBP thicker and better airflow.

The new ones also have pull tabs adhesive for battery replacements instead of being glued to the MBP.


But yeah keep that negativity flowing in your head
 
I have a 14 year old Thinkpad and a *21* year old HP Omnibook that work fine. That HP is 100% original, even its battery still kinda works. My 2015 MBP died after 4 years, my 2008 MBP died after 3 years - after having its motherboard replaced at 2 years.

In fact of all the laptops I've owned that failed beyond my ability to self repair - 66% of them have been Macbooks.
My wife's 2011 MBP that she brought to my cabin today to work ? (on Zoom ?)
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The next room sits my 2011 MBA in good condition but left unattended because of my new M1 MBA ?
And don't have me start on my friends' Macs..

Used to build my own PC and had to built new ones every 4-5 years. Couldn't tolerate the performance.
 
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I have a 14 year old Thinkpad and a *21* year old HP Omnibook that work fine. That HP is 100% original, even its battery still kinda works. My 2015 MBP died after 4 years, my 2008 MBP died after 3 years - after having its motherboard replaced at 2 years.

In fact of all the laptops I've owned that failed beyond my ability to self repair - 66% of them have been Macbooks.
I had a 2010 MBP that was still working and sold to a student in 2017 when I replaced it with a 2017 MBP. I know for sure the 2017 wouldn't have lasted as long. Not only did I have a defective unit that ended up getting replaced, but with the new one I had keyboard issues and funny clicking sounds when opening and closing. I so I traded it in before running out of AppleCare for my current 2020 MBA.

I had a Thinkpad T20 that I bought in 2000 that lasted me until around 2006 and I sold it as working. I replaced it with a Thinkpad T60 which I sold dead in 2010.

That's all the computers I've owned.

From all of this, I'd say the most reliable one was the T20. It was also the most expensive -- about $3300 for 700MHz/256MB/12GB/14" 1024x768 (about $5200 in today's dollars if you believe the CPI).
 
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The batteries are not glued down and are instead held in place with iPhone-style adhesive pull tabs to make battery replacements simpler.

Why those evil bastards... </s>
 
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