R.I.P. iPhone

[8692574]

you think they'll name the 10th anniversary phone and S version?

When is the last time Apple made an Anniversary version of its hardware? Yes the 20th anniversari Mac (and it was Apple's 20th anniversary not the Mac's).
How did that went? Not very well... Also we did not get a 10th anniversary iPod, and iOS 10 did not get much fanfare...

 

[deeddawg]

I don't load my music or any other personal things on my work laptop, I charge my phone on it.

Fair enough. Looks like both Belkin and Apple have solutions to allow you to plug in both so you should be good.

 

[Tsepz]

Fair enough. Looks like both Belkin and Apple have solutions to allow you to plug in both so you should be good.

Yep, similar solutions to what my old Sony Ericsson K850i in 2007 had, that had me hoping SE would bring the 3.5mm jack. Seems we've gone backwards instead of forward.

 

[TheBacklash]

USB's have existed since Windows XP machines existed, so thats like 2002? Also, a stack of DVDs isnt that cheap. The time it takes to burn them, the hassle, the weight, the quality and the reliability all factor into "price". I would rather copy pictures onto 10 flash drives than 10 dvds. Hands down my time and money would be well spent on USBs and DVDs. This is coming from someone who manages 500T's of storage at work and we take thousands of photos everyday in raw and at 200fps AND we store almost 99 million files, 50% being images. I understand how much time it takes to copy pictures and DVD / optical medium is not the best choice anymore

where i work, a USB stick is NOT ALLOWED to be used, because a USB stick would be able to copy info and remove from the office. A CD/DVD however can be used, although that is also regulated.

most people understand how to use optical media, and either do not like to use USB or are unsure how to use it.
Again there is also the workplace rules, virus/malware on a DVD is very rare, on a USB stick however... can be added from one infected PC and transferred to another.

 

[NewbieCanada]

If people like you got your way, my iphone would include a floppy disk drive, a hard disk drive, a cd drive and a black berry type keyboard. xD

And if they did it within the current form factor, I'd be pretty damn impressed!

 

[deeddawg]

where i work, a USB stick is NOT ALLOWED to be used, because a USB stick would be able to copy info and remove from the office. A CD/DVD however can be used, although that is also regulated.

most people understand how to use optical media, and either do not like to use USB or are unsure how to use it.
Again there is also the workplace rules, virus/malware on a DVD is very rare, on a USB stick however... can be added from one infected PC and transferred to another.

Great example of where business processes & personnel training lags technology.

My company disables USB write capability on all systems unless there is a business need for the individual, though read capability exists for everyone. We also have proper antivirus deployed to all systems. It's been at least two or three years since our standard corporate laptops have included optical drives. Typically any collaborative file sharing among co-workers is performed via OneDrive or Sharepoint.

 

[deeddawg]

Bluetooth is hissy, drops out, requires too much battery, and lacks high fidelity.

*shrug* My BT stuff works fine. I do remember what you describe with the old BT2.0 stuff years ago, but haven't experienced those issues in recent times.

 

[AhemThisGuy]

No headphone jack. No sale.

Bye Felicia

 

[caligurl]

where i work, a USB stick is NOT ALLOWED to be used, because a USB stick would be able to copy info and remove from the office. A CD/DVD however can be used, although that is also regulated.

most people understand how to use optical media, and either do not like to use USB or are unsure how to use it.
Again there is also the workplace rules, virus/malware on a DVD is very rare, on a USB stick however... can be added from one infected PC and transferred to another.

no USBs for us either.... but not moreso because once upon a time I guess some bad crap got onto the network cuz some people were watching movies from a usb.....

 

[High Desert]

I have tried not to say anything but my fingers could not resist.....First, I am a Android phone user and Macbook Pro user, so I cross both sides. I have seriously considered moving to an iPhone several times, from the 5s to the 6. But, each time, I could not justify the rationale to do so based on limiting factors set up by Apple who think they can tell the world what is right or wrong, and more importantly, what they think I need or want. Let's face it - Apple is not a revolutionary company, anymore, but one that sets the direction they want to go in order to generate additional sales / income. Case in point - iPhone 7, no earplug jack, but guess what - we have one that was designed specifically for the new phone and only $159 a set (and you are guaranteed to lose at least one in the near future). Yeah, they give you a dongle, so now you have this svelte phone with a boat anchor attached. Perfect! IP67 certified vs IP68 - so dust is OK, but don't do more than sweat on it. Sorry, just can't get excited about more of the same, plus the "my way or the highway" aspect of Apple. Unfortunately, Apple is still behind the curve here on smartphones. And I love the comments coming now about, "Let's expect more on the 8". I find all of this to be fascinating to watch. Even more is announcing all the things this new phone can so - but wait, software is not available until October, or later???? What's with that? If I buy a car, I want the steering wheel included. Great spin by the marketing team.. I expect to be blasted by these comments by the iPhone purists, but you have to admit - these (minimal) changes do give you pause for thought.

 

[MathersMahmood]

I literally read every post and page on this thread. Wow. People are really upset. It makes me wonder if it was like this when the floppy disk was starting to get phased out.

I've said many times I don't feel bothered about this and I don't really know how I feel about it until I get the phone in my hands. Bluetooth is seeming like a good option to try so I don't know if I'll get the air pods or some beats ones or whatever.

But at the moment. I think we should just see how it goes. We may look back at this thread and laugh and say 'remember when we argued about this thing that took so much space in our devices and is over 100 years old?'

Or we might see that it was an epic fail. Time will tell.

 

[dominiongamma]

This thread should be shut down

 

[dogslobber]

This thread should be shut down

Why?

 

[High Desert]

Dogslobber is correct...."why?" If he is part of of the iPhone team at the Apple Campus, then this thread can be considered "haptic" feedback on new phone generation release and customer viewpoint of technology direction. Just my thoughts..

 

[iRobertM]

Why?

Due to the childish, click bait and drama seeking thread title and first post.

 

[rawlus]

motorola has a handset without a headphone jack also - i wold expect a samsung to come out without a jack in the next release - because they ride the coattails of those who do the hard R&D work

 

[Ghost31]

This isn't about me. It's about what is right for the smartphone industry. Apple have just committed a faux pas which they might not recover from. Steve would never have signed off on this.

OMG dude! It's been so long since I've seen a "Steve would have never". Ahhhh man...anything else you would like to say on his behalf since you're channeling him through the grave? Ask him what's it's like to be dead!

Also...have you read "thoughts of flash"? That thing he wrote about not including a very popular thing in his product that the market seemed to want, but he decided it would be better not to have? Interesting stuff. But maybe he would have changed his mind about everything since being dead. Being dead changes you
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You're trying to justify the dongle which is the wrong approach. Dongle will be dropped after a few months, per the usual Apple methodology. They will literally force through this change unless people stand up to be counted right now.

Awwww. You make this sound like a civil rights movement.

Wonder what we could call it?

 

[dogslobber]

OMG dude! It's been so long since I've seen a "Steve would have never". Ahhhh man...anything else you would like to say on his behalf since you're channeling him through the grave? Ask him what's it's like to be dead!

Also...have you read "thoughts of flash"? That thing he wrote about not including a very popular thing in his product that the market seemed to want, but he decided it would be better not to have? Interesting stuff. But maybe he would have changed his mind about everything since being dead. Being dead changes you

God Bless Steve. Now, his favorite word was 'No', and when the design team would come to him with such a request of removing the headphone jack, it's easy to conclude what his response would be.

Flash is irrelevant to this discussion, just as floppy drives and CDs are.
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Due to the childish, click bait and drama seeking thread title and first post.

I felt the original poster was crisp and clear with their point.

 

[Internaut]

Doesn't bother me. The only big design mistake I see is that they didn't relocate the lightning port to the top of the phone, where the headphone jack used to be. Other than that I think it will make a lot of long-time 5/6 users happy.

 

[Lakailb87]

But many of us do have issues with this new iPhone so what is wrong with having a discussion.

As someone who has been using iPhones since 2008 and has always upgraded every 2 years this is the first time I am skipping an iPhone.

No redesign, no screen changes, slightly faster than my still fast 6. Other companies are putting big screens in phones almost the size of the 6.. what happened to the Apple that led the way.

Now I have to consider leaving for Android, a platform I have never used.

To be honest I don't care much about the headphone jack but I know a lot of people that do because they charge and listen to music at the same time and now wouldn't be able to.

 

[deeddawg]

I know a lot of people that do because they charge and listen to music at the same time and now wouldn't be able to.

As discussed already, that remains possible, albeit with an adapter or dock.

Personally I don't really care one way or the other. I almost never use the headphone jack on my iphone6, and at present haven't seen any distinct reason to upgrade.

It will be interesting to see what the actual real-world market adoption is for this as we go through the year. Lots of people make bold statements online and then quietly go do the opposite in the real world, even if begrudgingly. So maybe this is a tempest in a teacup, or maybe the iphone7 will actually flop. Only time will tell.

 

[boltjames]

LOL, who forced you to buy six or more Bluetooth devices? Sounds like you didn't 'reject' it at all.

I'm in the industry, I get the headphones and the speakers for free. As for BMW, it's a feature that comes with the cars, I didn't buy the cars because they came with Bluetooth.

I enjoy the Bose Soundlink speakers in my bathrooms as it's not a location where I care much about audio fidelity and with 15 minute showers the charge can last a week.

And Bluetooth's ubiquity proves that your dramatic exaggerations of its failures is either completely untrue, or way outside the norm. Many of us here are using this "rejected protocol" every day, so your attempt at sewing doubt is falling on experienced ears that know better.

85% of all headphones sold are wired. If we are running towards the exciting "wireless world of tomorrow" that Apple promises we'd have gotten there already, there is nothing new in the iPhone 7 that we didn't have in the iPhone 5 from a standpoint of audio quality, convenience, pricing, etc. Customers have voted, had 10 years of Bluetooth headphones to choose from, there is marginal interest unless you're a jogger or a gym rat.

Oh, and how exactly is Apple forcing you to use Bluetooth? By including lightning headphones and an adapter for 3.5mm headphones? Yet another non sequitur from you.

I did not say they are forcing me to use Bluetooth. What I said is that Apple is lazy, instead of fixing the inherent problems of Bluetooth by developing a new protocol with great battery life, great sound quality, no drop-outs, no hiss, they instead proclaim "Let there be wireless!" and then have us come to the realization it's still 2010 and it's still Bluetooth and there is nothing to be excited about.

BJ

 

[Lakailb87]

As discussed already, that remains possible, albeit with an adapter or dock.

Personally I don't really care one way or the other. I almost never use the headphone jack on my iphone6, and at present haven't seen any distinct reason to upgrade.

It will be interesting to see what the actual real-world market adoption is for this as we go through the year. Lots of people make bold statements online and then quietly go do the opposite in the real world, even if begrudgingly. So maybe this is a tempest in a teacup, or maybe the iphone7 will actually flop. Only time will tell.

I'm sorry but 2 adapters or a dock is not a solution. My dad works while listening to music and has a portable charger to keep his phone charged in his pocket.. so now he should add a dock into his pocket as well?

One of the reasons I have been a long time Apple supporter is because I like minimalist things.. adding 2 adapters or a dock to something is the opposite of simple and minimalist.

 

[boltjames]

*shrug* My BT stuff works fine. I do remember what you describe with the old BT2.0 stuff years ago, but haven't experienced those issues in recent times.

Come sit in one of my BMW's and listen to the same song from the same device played over Bluetooth and over USB, there is a noticeable and marked difference in dynamic range, hiss, clarity.

Look, Bluetooth can be convenient in a car or a backyard speaker you seldom use, I enjoy both locales, I am good.

But when Apple gets up there and pronounces that we no longer need wired headphones and that wireless is the answer, well, I expect them to give me a better solution than "just use Bluetooth". Bluetooth headphones have been out there forever, everyone has seen them, 85% of the public doesn't want them.

Bluetooth headphones are expensive, they are heavy, their batteries don't last, and the sound quality is compromised. Just look at the AirPods. 5 hours of battery life. A case that needs charging too, only provides 24 hours of battery life. Oh, and it requires wires to charge. You know, the same wires that are supposedly so 1910.

BJ

 

[deeddawg]

Come sit in one of my BMW's and listen to the same song from the same device played over Bluetooth and over USB, there is a noticeable and marked difference in dynamic range, hiss, clarity.

Thanks for the offer, but I've already sat in my BMW and haven't had that issue.

You do realize though that you're adding a third scenario here. Your BMW's USB connection is digital audio via the lightning port and doesn't use the analog headphone jack.

when Apple gets up there and pronounces that we no longer need wired headphones and that wireless is the answer

... and they include both a set of wired headphones in the box, as well as a lighting-to-1/8-audio adapter. So two options for wired right in the box.

Bluetooth headphones are expensive, they are heavy, their batteries don't last, and the sound quality is compromised.

The apple earpods are a gimmick. I have a set of sport neckband bluetooth headphones I use when working out and go multiple days between charges, haven't added it up but well over five hours usage. They weigh a whopping 20 grams. I have a set of plantronics bt earbuds that go most of a day then charge in their battery case.

Sure, you can find some that are heavy, expensive, and with low battery life. You can also find the opposite. Depends on which ones you're looking for.