R.I.P. iPhone

[deeddawg]

Some good points there, @Moccasin -- also that would give the aftermarket time to catch up with the change and create a deeper/broader array of adapters and headphones.

I also wonder if the ceramic Apple Watch is a precursor for a non-aluminum iPhone? They're going to need to do something if they're aiming for wireless charging, and ceramic may be the path rather than return to plastic or glass.

 

[TheBacklash]

Great example of where business processes & personnel training lags technology.

My company disables USB write capability on all systems unless there is a business need for the individual, though read capability exists for everyone. We also have proper antivirus deployed to all systems. It's been at least two or three years since our standard corporate laptops have included optical drives. Typically any collaborative file sharing among co-workers is performed via OneDrive or Sharepoint.

It's called working for the government in a "secure" network.

*You* may think it's bad training or lack of tech, it's because we've been hacked before *by someone using a f'n usb stick* and yeah write has always been disabled, it's what can be brought in....... On that USB that can be an issue. Optical media can only be original disks obtained for the department, anything brought from home will get you fired. As will any burned media..

100% of the files needed are on a secure network not connected to the internet.

Just saying that there *are* valid reasons that USB sticks can't be used, just cause you think it's fine with your private company you work for, it doesn't mean it works for everyone.

 

[deeddawg]

That you're in a niche situation doesn't negate my statement. You may have very good reasons to lag technologically, and there's nothing wrong with that, but recognize that in most cases it's more a matter of what I describe than it is a well justified choice.

As for training, you mentioned your people who "either do not like to use USB or are unsure how to use it." What exactly do you call that if not lack of training? Stubbornness and stupidity?

Out in the private sector, people who refuse to or are unable to do their job are (ideally) given the opportunity to apply their talents elsewhere.

 

[brianric]

Mailing out a couple of usb sticks is out of the question, are you serious? You can get 2gb sticks for pennies pretty much. Hell, you can get a 10 pack of 4gb flash drives from amazon for $26. https://www.amazon.com/Swivel-Flash-Drive-Memory-Colors/dp/B00V5B2N3U/ref=sr_1_1?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1473405992&sr=1-1&refinements=p_n_size_browse-bin:1259713011. You might pay a few dollars more for name brand, but I would take usb drives over CDs and the hassle

Good for you. Put a gold star on your forehead. I go through about 200 DVDs a year, at 21 cents each plus 2 cents for the paper sleeve, out of pocket $46. 200 usb sticks at $2.30 each out of pocket $460.
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where i work, a USB stick is NOT ALLOWED to be used, because a USB stick would be able to copy info and remove from the office. A CD/DVD however can be used, although that is also regulated.

most people understand how to use optical media, and either do not like to use USB or are unsure how to use it.
Again there is also the workplace rules, virus/malware on a DVD is very rare, on a USB stick however... can be added from one infected PC and transferred to another.

That's a problem I have with the American Cancer Society when sending pictures to them. It has to be on DVDs.

 

[deeddawg]

Good for you. Put a gold star on your forehead. I go through about 200 DVDs a year, at 21 cents each plus 2 cents for the paper sleeve, out of pocket $46. 200 usb sticks at $2.30 each out of pocket $460.

Still a niche use case, and one where an external drive suffices. Not any reason why 99.9% of every else should haul around a built in optical drive we never use.

Btw, check ebay, 4gb flash drives are down to 99¢ each.

 

[TheBacklash]

you expect every business to keep up with you, and just because something was invented years ago, they should know how to use it. Or NEED to know how to use it.

Many business' have zero need for any (or many) of their employees to know how to use a computer beyond very limited applications.
Hell give a USB stick to a lot of non tech business workers and they don't even know where their computer is... all they have is a monitor KB/Mouse on their desk, which they use very few things on.

this whole argument is stupid, myself and others give you reasons against using USB... and you pretty much tell us we lag behind or our employers/customers do and it's our/their fault they don't live up to your standards.

Why not use SD cards? even smaller than a USB stick.... Mac's have a SD slot, so everyone can read it right?

Out in the private sector, people who refuse to or are unable to do their job are (ideally) given the opportunity to apply their talents elsewhere.

I'd agree, but not everyone NEEDS to be up to date on technology. (to a point yes)


But with your continued tone of your responses.. i'm just going to ignore you, there's no point to try explaining it anymore to you.

 

[Radon87000]

I was thinking of getting it Day 1 but will wait for the inevitable "gate" issues to show up

 

[deeddawg]

But with your continued tone of your responses.. i'm just going to ignore you, there's no point to try explaining it anymore to you.

Since you're taking my generalized statement WAY too personally, that's probably your best choice.

 

[FurbyUK]

No headphone jack. No sale.

You realise that 2 android phones already removed headphone jack 6 months ago. The rest will do the same, now that Apple have done it.

Headphone jacks are a century old technology, long overdue to be removed.

You're going to have to deal with the change at some point.

I'll just leave this here.

Then watch for the Galaxy S8 with no headphone jack, because Apple has taken the big backlash first. Samsung always let Apple do the controversial things first so they can then do the change later when it's all calmed down.

 

[Sikh]

Still a niche use case, and one where an external drive suffices. Not any reason why 99.9% of every else should haul around a built in optical drive we never use.

Btw, check ebay, 4gb flash drives are down to 99¢ each.

Dont try to prove him wrong, youll need to put a gold sticker on your forehead, DVDS FOR LIFE. Cause the american cancer association has IT security practices like normal business..... OK...

 

[_Refurbished_]

No headphone jack. No sale.

 

[MathersMahmood]

LMAO

 

[newellj]

No headphone jack. No sale.

So how do you feel about the lack of parallel and serial ports on your laptop?

 

[Sikh]

So how do you feel about the lack of parallel and serial ports on your laptop?

lack of cd, floppy, 5.25" floppy and zip drive?

 

[ventmore]

You have to make your comment heard to help guide Apple to making proper, competent design decisions. This one is utterly silly and Tim Cook needs to know we're not 100% satisfied with them.

I don't normally do this sort of thing either, but I'm in a supportive mood at the moment, so I've just emailed Tim to let him know how awesome I think it is that they've dumped the headphone jack.

Apple know that not everyone is 100% satisfied, because that's an impossible task.

This is one of those things that you'll either need to learn to live with, or jump ship to another device............this isn't the kind of decision they'll reverse in a future device.

All IMHO of course

 

[deeddawg]

Dont try to prove him wrong, youll need to put a gold sticker on your forehead, DVDS FOR LIFE. Cause the american cancer association has IT security practices like normal business..... OK...

Well, I did refrain from asking who the heck sends physical media to clients these days... that's what cloud hosted storage is really good at supplanting. Faster, more secure, little to no cost, client is responsible for downloading and archiving so you have no calls three years later asking for another copy.
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So how do you feel about the lack of parallel and serial ports on your laptop?

Or BNC jacks for thin ethernet or AUI jacks for thick ether... No more inbuilt modems either. Curse those designers, always taking away our ports.

 

[slippery-pete]

No headphone jack. No sale.

no not this again...stop

 

[dogslobber]

So how do you feel about the lack of parallel and serial ports on your laptop?

I don't know what a parallel port is.

 

[deeddawg]

I don't know what a parallel port is.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_port

 

[Savor]

Two weeks ago, the removal of the headphone jack didn't bother me since I usually listen to music or videos through the external speaker. But during the last week, I have been using my 3.5mm headphones listening to my new downloaded songs and FM radio again. So yeah, the removal of the 3.5mm headphone jack would bother me now. The excuses from Tim for it to be more water-resistant is lame. Tell that to Sony, Samsung, and Kyocera.

I really didn't think waiting for iPhone 8 is going to be worth waiting for especially knowing it will be Samsung S7 edge-like with glass and OLED. I hate glass rears too. But maybe it is worth holding out for. The iPhone 7 really is just a testing ground for 8. You know never know if Apple decides to bring back the 3.5mm headphone jack. Companies can be unpredictable at times.

Remember, HTC and LG omitted microSD slot in their flagship in 2013. Brought it back in 2014. Samsung omitted it last year and brought it back this year. Maybe Samsung will also learn their lesson with the Note7 recall and bring back removable battery. The iPhone 7 just seems like a stopgap. You get excited about the new black options because it hides those antenna lines before boredom settles in after the honeymoon phase wears off.

No RIP for iPhone, doom and gloomers. Maybe better to wait for 8. Apple will make iPhone great again. Both the iPhone 7 and Note7 are polarizing devices especially the latter. Love it or hate or both like Kobe and LeBron. The iPhone 4's Antennagate was also controversial. The slate iPhone 5 had Scruffgate. HTC One M7 had the purple photos that HTC never recalled. The 4s, space gray 5s, and M8 corrected their mistakes. The Note8 and iPhone 8 might correct their predecessors as well.

 

[deeddawg]

during the last week, I have been using my 3.5mm headphones listening to my new downloaded songs and FM radio again

With either the included wired headphones or the included lighting to 1/8" jack adapter, how exactly are you prevented from listening to your newly downloaded songs or your FM radio?

 

[newellj]

I don't know what a parallel port is.

Here's a hint: it's actually newer and more useful technology than a headphone jack...the problem is that it has been made completely obsolete...just like the headphone jack. There may be some accessories designed to use the headphone jack that won't work with the adapter - Square readers, specialty mikes, health hardware - I don't know, although I have a hard time imagining that the adapter won't solve that problem though the accessory might wind up flopping around inconveniently. But for 99% of iPhone users this is a step forward or at least a non-event.

 

[FurbyUK]

With either the included wired headphones or the included lighting to 1/8" jack adapter, how exactly are you prevented from listening to your newly downloaded songs or your FM radio?

It's funny that no one can make a case against that without sounding like it's a desperate struggle to come up with one.

 

[Cogsworth]

Really, using an adapter is nothing new. Remember when Apple switched to the slim recessed headphone jack years ago? I had a couple adapters so I could use my old headphones. Now nearly all headphone makers use slim plugs that fit the iPhone. I kind of see the switch to lightning port as the same situation, and I get the benefits of the lightning connector.

 

[deeddawg]

It's funny that no one can make a case against that without sounding like it's a desperate struggle to come up with one.

LOL, well put. I figured it'd be something about having to charge and listen at the same time and not buy a dock or Belkin's dongle. Sure that's a real thing for some people, but IMHO more a matter of lack of planning in many cases. My kids are always running low on battery simply because they never think to charge their phones before they have to.

While there are certainly some use cases where this change will cause short term disruption, for most people it's technologically a non-event. For others, the aftermarket will fill in any real gaps in fairly short order.

Meanwhile, if buying an iphone7 so would severly impact one's business or personal life, there's a simple solution of not buying one. Either wait for the aftermarket to catch up or buy a iphone6s or SE from Apple if you can't get a good deal on the flood of used phones being sold by upgraders.
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Really, using an adapter is nothing new.

I'll go you one further... remember when truly good headphones all had 1/4" jacks and you had to have an adapter to use them with your newfangled CD walkman?