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RADON new browser PLEASE try it

dpaanlka said:
Scamming doesn't always have to be about money. People feel like there is a something very scammesque about this Radon thing because so many threads from so many people saying untrue or confusing things have been posted about something that is nothing but the WebKit engine wrapped in a really lousy user interface with less features than Netscape 1.0. It also doesn't help that you're somehow on "version" number 1.5, when in the software industry that is normally reserved for refined updates to an already feature-rich, stable, complete 1.0 product. You're not even at that point yet, as you keep labeling yourselves as "in beta," when in the software industry that is normally reserved for (relatively) feature-complete but buggy pre-release builds. You're not even at that point yet. You're pretty much an extremely early Alpha, at best (since you're not, like, writing a new rendering engine, you haven't really done anything).

What could such an outfit possibly gain from this if there is no money involved? Internet notoriety, fame, attention. More hits on Version Tracker mean people take you more seriously. More attention means more people might show interest in contributing or devoting resources to your project, etc...

Everyone makes mistakes. Just come back to MacRumors when you have something you can be proud to show us.
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Ok you know what?

You are entirely right. Next time i speak with the developers alot of stuff needs to be re-thought out. The version progress (i'll admit I've thought this myself) makes no sense. IMO we should be at version 0.6 right now

Quite honestly, I think what has happened, is alot of stuff has been unorganized, (no offence forgettonsoft). Also way I see it is developer got anxious to show off his work... you may not think of what he's done as a huge accomplishment, that may be because your a developers yourself with lots more experience, and when you compare say the progress done in Radon the progress on Firefox... then your entirely right Radon isn't very close.

BUT, since I know exactly how he must feel. Us amateur developers have an issue. We get excited over small things, simply cause we get proud of ourself.

I ASSURou, there was NO intentional scamming going on. I'm gonna talk to the developer. This will all be cleaned up.E y
 
applefan69 said:
Ok you know what?

You are entirely right. Next time i speak with the developers alot of stuff needs to be re-thought out. The version progress (i'll admit I've thought this myself) makes no sense. IMO we should be at version 0.6 right now

Quite honestly, I think what has happened, is alot of stuff has been unorganized, (no offence forgettonsoft). Also way I see it is developer got anxious to show off his work... you may not think of what he's done as a huge accomplishment, that may be because your a developers yourself with lots more experience, and when you compare say the progress done in Radon the progress on Firefox... then your entirely right Radon isn't very close.

BUT, since I know exactly how he must feel. Us amateur developers have an issue. We get excited over small things, simply cause we get proud of ourself.

I ASSURou, there was NO intentional scamming going on. I'm gonna talk to the developer. This will all be cleaned up.E y
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Hope these issues can be resolved soon,and sorry to all you members

Neil
 
OK, let me tell everyone. Version numbers mean nothing more then a way to refer to what build you are using of an application. Just because our app is 1.5, does not mean it is super stable. That is just what version the application is. that means we have 5 builds of the applications, 2 for the Radon 1.0 (1.01, 1.1 if you will) and 3 Private Beta builds, bringing up to Radon 1.5 Thats it. Nothing more. We are not referring to the fact that this is application is 100% stable. They are arbitrary. Any one know the version numbers of the favorite applications?

So that is what i have to say on the version numbers.
 
Generally , new apps start at 0.1 and work their way up to 1.0 for a major release. For instance, Camino took 5 years to get 1.5. This is by no means a hard set rule, it is just that so many devs choose to follow it and people start to notice when deviations occur. Just a suggestion- maybe you should have made it more clear that it grew from Tominated so it didn't seem "brand new"? :eek:
 
I had version 1.5, used the auto-update to download and install 1.5.1, it downloaded, and then crashed when it realized it didn't have permission to access my applications folder. After the crash, Radon had deleted itself.

I kept Radon in a secondary apps folder that was not my applications folder. So, you might want to take that into account when writing your download and install routine. Radon should replace the app no matter where it lives.

Thats a pretty nice freeware feature. Delete itself when you're done using it. :p

Maybe you should just drop Tiger development altogether. It's going to be a niche product until it's very robust anyway. Why focus your energy on making the app compliant with a deprecated OS? You should spend all of your development time making the leopard version strong, stable, and something to really boast about.

Then no one will care how many threads are open. ;)
 
Radon for Tiger has been discontinued. Any users of it are urged to

A. Upgrade to Leopard so that you can use the newest Radon.
B. We suggest using going to http://www.webkit.org and supporting the people at WebKit by testing the nightly builds of Webkit. If you do, you will be using Safari's interface, but will be running the newest webkit.

dpaanlka said:
possibly[/I] gain from this if there is no money involved? Internet notoriety, fame, attention. More hits on Version Tracker mean people take you more seriously. More attention means more people might show interest in contributing or devoting resources to your project, etc...

Everyone makes mistakes. Just come back to MacRumors when you have something you can be proud to show us.
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Radon is Beta. We are not looking for Fame. If I was, i would be doing something that had my name on it, and I would also ot be devoting the amount of time I am to this Project. Radon is done by Two young developers, And we are learning a few things along the way. We are proud of Radon and would like to think that people can take us seriously in what we do. We had 11 people volunteer to devote time to helping Radon, so ya we are having more people devoting there time, not to help us get famous, but because they want to help make an alternative browser better. This is freeware, Meaning we do not get any financial gain. We have never gotten a donation, and that has not stopped us. And as for getting hits on Version Tracker, I personally don't care. If I have 100 people that thoroughly enjoy using Radon, compared to 3000 that thinks its mediocre, then Im happy. That is my ultimate goal. I want people who use our Project to like it and to have it improve there computing experience, no matter how many of those people there are.

Thank you for all your feedback. We appreciate all the help we can get.
 
forgottensoft said:
Radon for Tiger has been discontinued.
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Well if this isn't a press release worthy of MacRumors front page, I don't know what is!

forgottensoft said:
If I have 100 people that thoroughly enjoy using Radon.
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Name one (besides yourself of course). :D

And while we're at it, name one reason Radon is better than Safari / FireFox / Camino / OmniWeb / Opera / WebKit / Netscape /Anything else I'm forgetting...

In fact, name one way that Radon is not just you playing around with Interface Builder.
 
dpaanlka:
Im not going to spend my time arguing with you about the legitimacy of Radon as an application. If you feel Radon is not worthy of being an application, Fine. Im sorry you feel that way. And as for the name, I never said the name was better. I personally like the name because it is different then the usual name.

You obviously do not like Radon. Again im sorry, but please give it a chance as it is going to get better.
 
KingYaba said:
One can also use RealPlayer to browse the web. ;)
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Damn! I knew I forgot something!

forgottensoft said:
And as for the name, I never said the name was better. I personally like the name because it is different then the usual name.
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What did I ever say about the name? The name and fancy icon are probably the best part of this application. Although, now I must take issue with your comment that it's "different than the usual name" - how so? What is so different and unique and special about it compared to Firefox or Safari, or any other application name?

forgottensoft said:
please give it a chance as it is going to get better.
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Well it certainly can't get worse.
 
It's definietely an improvment over the previous browser you created, (Finally, the ability to have more then one window open at a time!) but it's still missing a few things.

tabs would be nice, not required though.

I love how fast it starts up and how fast it loads.

The biggest problem is not being able to click on a link and go to linked page.

But overall, its pretty good, using it to type this post.
 
Ok ladies, don't get your panties in a bunch. Don't like radon, don't use it or even complain about it. If everyone put up this much of an argument over some freeware app in the windows world, heaven knows what we'd do. Do you know how many crappy freeware applications there are for windows? Just leave this alone and let those who are having fun with it continue to do just that. We don't have to get all hot headed about it. :p I know I get all excited when I write a stupid little applescript, so let the developers have their fun.
 
dpaanlka said:
Damn! I knew I forgot something!



What did I ever say about the name? The name and fancy icon are probably the best part of this application. Although, now I must take issue with your comment that it's "different than the usual name" - how so? What is so different and unique and special about it compared to Firefox or Safari, or any other application name?



Well it certainly can't get worse.
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Dont use or try it again then,no ones forcing you,as for the development of Radon i got some mail from the developers regarding future improvements and things are going to get better with new releases ( icons, bookmarks etc)

Neil
 
BRILLL
LOVE IT:D
if there was bookmarks and tabbed browsing then that would do it for me
sometimes i click enter and a webpage doesn't load up
also when i close it it says do i want to save untitled document help!
-jake
 
forgottensoft said:
Radon for Tiger has been discontinued. Any users of it are urged to

A. Upgrade to Leopard so that you can use the newest Radon.
B. We suggest using going to http://www.webkit.org and supporting the people at WebKit by testing the nightly builds of Webkit. If you do, you will be using Safari's interface, but will be running the newest webkit.
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IDK, Tiger is still the majority of OSX user base, I think you guys are giving up bigger chunk of potential user base here.
 
I downloaded it. I tried it. I deleted it.
Sorry, but I just don't see the point in this as a product: It's just too limited and there's no way I could go back to a browser without tabs. I guess I'm just not the target market...
 
We are working hard on Radon 1.5.2. Here is a list of the fixes/features that it will include

Fixes
Save nag will be gone
"Open Link in New Window" will work, as well as embed links on websites that wanted to open in new windows
Gmail will be fully supported
Java/Flash bug fixed

Additional Features
Bookmarks (If not Radon 1.52, then the next release. But its coming)
The Default Homepage field in preferences will retain its value between launches
Menu Items once again rearranged to reflect a more universal order


Thanks For All Your Feedback, Keep it Up!

Logan Cooke
Lead Developer: Radon
Forgotten Software
Simple Innovation

clevin said:
IDK, Tiger is still the majority of OSX user base, I think you guys are giving up bigger chunk of potential user base here.
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We understand that we are losing some user base, but we feel that by devoting our time to the Leopard build, it will make one quality product instead of two OK products. I know that our Tiger users will be upset, but on most cases they will be making the upgrade to Leopard anyway.

There is also the fact that I am restricted to what I can do for Development. I use leopard on my development computer, and it is tricky to properly develop with Leopard for use on tiger, unless the code was originally wrote from the tiger environment.

If Tiger users are upset, they can contact me. I still have a Tiger build that I use for experimental purposes that has all the features, and am willing to give it out. Its just not something I feel should be a widely available build.

I hope you can see my reasoning here.

Thanks,
Logan Cooke
Lead Developer: Radon
Forgotten Software
Simple Innovation
 
Sorry I have to say this, but if every developer that threw together a WebKit browser in IB would begin posting about a "new browser" here (and ask for user feedback), MacRumors would quickly overflow with dubious beta-testing requests and (spam) product announcements. I am not saying Radon does not have potential, but in its current form, it is definitely not ground-breaking enough to justify the presence it is having here. Like others have stated, this form of beta-testing (if that's what you can call it) seems just a bit unprofessional. And by doing this you're just inviting flamers to have their not-so-friendly opinions heard on a public forum.

That being said, I still wish you good luck at improving Radon, and look forward to new versions in the future.
 
I think most browsers are used alot because they have special features others don't have. It could be the simplicity, power, UI, special search engine, customisability (don't know if that exists), ...

Your browser is fast! But when i used it safari is faster. Your browsers UI is simple, but i really don't like it for some reason. Most people NEED bookmarks. And if something like clicking links don't work, what many people do all the time on their computer, then really people will change to another browser..

Isn't there any feature that no other browser has or didn't use good, that you could build into Radon?

I also agree with Clevin that stopping development for tiger really isn't a good choice..
 
OK, im sicking of trying to be professional on these forums, here is the deal.

STOP ASKING ABOUT BOOKMARKS AND TABS. WE GET IT ALREADY. Tabs are not coming any time soon, but bookmarks are. If you are looking at Radon as a competitor of Safari and Firefox, then leave because it is not. Radon is made to be Simple and Fast. So that doesn't mean that is meant to be better then Safari or meant to be a firefox killer. Neither of which are true. I use Safari more then Radon, because it is not designed for power users like me. Its made to be an effective and fast browser. It is BETA. It is not meant to be perfect so instead of being rude about problems, just let us know. Radon has issues. Please point them out so we can fix them. And, if you dont like Radon because it is too simple, then dont say anything. Because that is what it is.......

Marvy said:
Sorry I have to say this, but if every developer that threw together a WebKit browser in IB would begin posting about a "new browser" here (and ask for user feedback), MacRumors would quickly overflow with dubious beta-testing requests and (spam) product announcements. but in its current form, it is definitely not ground-breaking enough to justify the presence it is having here. Like others have stated, this form of beta-testing (if that's what you can call it) seems just a bit unprofessional. .
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OK, so no users are aloud to post things about software they like. Let me make it known, YOU ARE NOT BETA TESTERS, you are simply using Radon which is not a full stable app, meaning it is Beta. This is not spam, we are not selling anything we just want peoples opinion on our application. If you dont want to have any say in your apps, fine DONT
 
EvanLugh said:
This is turning into a Spam thread and the creators are reminding me of David Watanabe.
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This was not mine/our intension, i merley asked for members opinions on Radon. As fotgottensoft
stated Radon is still in the Beta stages and it is what it is a small,lightweight simple browser.As stated in my original post we need members to try Radon & post constructive replys so we can improve the product

Neil
 
neil321 said:
This was not mine/our intension, i merley asked for members opinions on Radon. As fotgottensoft
stated Radon is still in the Beta stages and it is what it is a small,lightweight simple browser.As stated in my original post we need members to try Radon & post constructive replys to improve the product

Neil
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I understand you're not associated with forgottonsoft therefore I can't say much about that. Members of MR have pretty much given them what you asked and the developer has taken this all to heart.
If it's constructive criticism forgottonsoft want, they've certainly got it.
 
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