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Rather Bummed Out about no Blu Ray

I'll keep the cash in the bank

I guess I'll just hold on to my cash and not buy during this product cycle then.

Perhaps even buy an "OLD" Sony viao and Vegas to fill my needs. Maybe I won't be back too. Oh well. This time playing it safe lost a hardcore apple customer. Can't imagine how many others there are out there thinking the same thing.

Perhaps it's for my companies own good that I didn't spend my money on new systems given the recent econominc news. Less consumer confidence means less to spend on event video. Especially high end.
 
While you do come across as whiny, the point about Apple needing to provide an option for HD-publishing is valid. I personally couldn't care less, but then again, my customers never requested their promos in HD, apart from on the web.

Again, I do see that some would need it though, so I do think it'll come soon. I bet there's a reason DVD Studio Pro wasn't updated with the rest of FC Studio.
 
jamesarm97 said:
Apple needs to make a Bluray USB drive in the same form factor as the AppleTV and Airport that can sit right on top of the AppleTV to watch Bluray movies and also connect it to a laptop.
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Blu-Ray via USB is RETARDED, much too slow. SATA or eSATA is the ONLY way to go.
 
deathshrub said:
Go buy an internal blu-ray drive and install it in your Mac Pro.

Wow, wasn't that hard? And now you have nothing to whine about! What a tragedy.
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Did you read the post?

Especially the part where I ask for people not to show thier ignorance as you have just done so blatantly. Why is someone with a bonafide issue a whiner?

Are you not accustomed to a well formed argument? With valid issues?

I recall the movie "Idiocracy" when I read some of these replies that contain the word whiner it them. Whatch the movie and I'm sure you will see yourselves in most of the parts.
 
Reach said:
While you do come across as whiny, the point about Apple needing to provide an option for HD-publishing is valid. I personally couldn't care less, but then again, my customers never requested their promos in HD, apart from on the web.

Again, I do see that some would need it though, so I do think it'll come soon. I bet there's a reason DVD Studio Pro wasn't updated with the rest of FC Studio.
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The thread reads "rather bummed about no blu-ray", I am not asking for a completely new computer as in a smaller mac pro or some crazy new product. Just introduce something that is already out there in much less prestigiuos software.

If you read this as whining I wrote it from a dissapointed place.

Do you offer your customers the blu-ray option? I polled some clients and they would pay $500-1000 MORE to have thier event on BLU-RAY!!!!

I know of people in my business regulary upselling the BR delivery package starting at a $1000 premium. Regularly.

So.... call me what you want, but you can't deny the fact that apple is WAY behind the curve on this and there is really no reason for it. Perhaps this glaring fact is too much for the fan boys to handle and thier only defense mechanism is to attack the poster and call them a whiner. At this point I will abdicate my position here realizing this forum is not the most technical place to air out this issue.
 
So wait, you're telling me Apple didn't include the top of the line bleeding edge technology in one of their products? OH NO! That's never happened before ever!

Case in point, the 7300GT, it was not a new card when it was put in the Mac Pro.

Apple doesn't put the bleeding edge in their machines for a reason, they want stability and reliability over performance and bragging rights. Even the new Mac Pro has the 2600 as it's default graphics card, that's not top of the line last I checked.

And before you jump down my throat as an Apple fanboy, I'm typing this on a PC :D.

Blu-Ray is still very young, it's popular now because it's a buzz-word, just like "1080p" or "True HD" or like "bose". The only people that I know that know what blu-ray even is are those that are in the tech industry, and out of all those people, I know like 3 or four people that are actually excited about it and have purchased players / content.

If you want blu-ray and a mac, get a drive, get some software, and train your staff.

If you want blu-ray and a PC, get a drive, get some software, train your staff, and start posting a PC forum.

It seems pretty simple to me, either way you're spending money, getting your precious blu-ray for your clients and yourself, and there you go!

If you want anything else, email steve at Apple. I don't think one "hardcore" customer will be missed, it's your money after all, spend it how YOU want to, not how some company suggests you do.

- D
 
HD Shooter said:
Did you read the post?

Especially the part where I ask for people not to show thier ignorance as you have just done so blatantly. Why is someone with a bonafide issue a whiner?

Are you not accustomed to a well formed argument? With valid issues?

I recall the movie "Idiocracy" when I read some of these replies that contain the word whiner it them. Whatch the movie and I'm sure you will see yourselves in most of the parts.
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I lol'd.
 
HD Shooter said:
The thread reads "rather bummed about no blu-ray", I am not asking for a completely new computer as in a smaller mac pro or some crazy new product. Just introduce something that is already out there in much less prestigiuos software.

If you read this as whining I wrote it from a dissapointed place.

Do you offer your customers the blu-ray option? I polled some clients and they would pay $500-1000 MORE to have thier event on BLU-RAY!!!!

I know of people in my business regulary upselling the BR delivery package starting at a $1000 premium. Regularly.

So.... call me what you want, but you can't deny the fact that apple is WAY behind the curve on this and there is really no reason for it. Perhaps this glaring fact is too much for the fan boys to handle and thier only defense mechanism is to attack the poster and call them a whiner. At this point I will abdicate my position here realizing this forum is not the most technical place to air out this issue.
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Wow. $1000 for blu-ray. We offer customers blu-ray as standard as a way of future proofing their product. $300 to author.

I just wanted to say, I NEED blu-ray in my mac. But until DVDSP can support blu-ray, there is no point in me buying a drive. I'm having an awful time getting a .mov to open in PremPro 2.0 on a PC to author to blu ray - it simply won't.

Please apple...
 
If you are going to upgrade you're G5s to Mac Pros, then pickup just Encore CS3 for $800 and a Blu-Ray burner. You can still edit in FCP and export with Compressor, you would just substitute Encore for DVD SP.

No need to change to PC or learn an entire new suite, just the authoring program.
 
HD Shooter said:
The thread reads "rather bummed about no blu-ray", I am not asking for a completely new computer as in a smaller mac pro or some crazy new product. Just introduce something that is already out there in much less prestigiuos software.

If you read this as whining I wrote it from a dissapointed place.

Do you offer your customers the blu-ray option? I polled some clients and they would pay $500-1000 MORE to have thier event on BLU-RAY!!!!

I know of people in my business regulary upselling the BR delivery package starting at a $1000 premium. Regularly.

So.... call me what you want, but you can't deny the fact that apple is WAY behind the curve on this and there is really no reason for it. Perhaps this glaring fact is too much for the fan boys to handle and thier only defense mechanism is to attack the poster and call them a whiner. At this point I will abdicate my position here realizing this forum is not the most technical place to air out this issue.
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Abdicate all you want, I was actually supporting you, without myself being very concerned about what you really wanted.

And I wasn't ragging on you for being whiny, I was just saying that that is indeed how you came across, just so you wouldn't think all those other guys were crazy "fanboys". That's not the point, and you'd get a little more sympathy for your position if you could understand that.. ;)
 
consumer tech

If they're going to bring out bluray burners there going to want, in traditional apple fashion, for the entire empire of existing software to come along with it. That means dvd studio won't get it until iLife gets it. As neat as Studio Pro is a lot of the pros I know myself included will send out proofs using iDVD. I'm going to cast my vote in and say NAB as well.

They're also going to want to use all the bells and whistles that bluray can do which the dust only recently settled on. I would rather wait than have them simply slap a bluray option onto the current software. So all you get is the option of putting bluray with the same SD style DVD menu and layout because as I said before the standard for bluray players has only recently settled. Manufacturers up until recently were still selling bluray 1.0 compliant players and its currently settled at version 1.3 in 2006 and it took a while for the 1.3 players to make it to market (2007). So mid late 2008 is the prime time to jump in the game.

The only question is, will apple consumer and pro software support models that early adopters buy. The early versions of iDVD didn't support external drives and some internal drives.

You freelancer are an ornery bunch I hope I never have to do event / industrials sounds like it drives you a little batty :p
 
I have been authoring BDMV with Encore CS3 for over 6 months. This includes SD style motion menus chapter stops ect. These play in all current Blu-ray players. Apple is at least a year beyond Adobe.

I would like to switch to Apple, but will not until they have full support for Blu-ray.

I would be very suprised if Apple would initially support BD-J authoring or PIP. If that is what they are waiting for they could delay another couple of years.
 
I am a HD enthusiast and would only select an event videographer that could provide that, so there may be more upside than just the extra authoring charges.

I would also think that the discerning clients with home theaters and Blu-ray players, would also be the best paying.

It is not that expensive to buy Premiere CS3 with Encore and a Blu-ray burner as an option if Apple can't come up with anything by NAB (April).
 
Thanks!!!

bigbossbmb said:
If you are going to upgrade you're G5s to Mac Pros, then pickup just Encore CS3 for $800 and a Blu-Ray burner. You can still edit in FCP and export with Compressor, you would just substitute Encore for DVD SP.

No need to change to PC or learn an entire new suite, just the authoring program.
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DUUUUUUDE, SWEEEEEETT !

This is exactly what I wanted to know! Thank you many times over, now I can place my order. I really do hate PCs and recently Vista. This will get me in the game until they update the authoring software.

Cool
 
Fair enough

Reach said:
Abdicate all you want, I was actually supporting you, without myself being very concerned about what you really wanted.

And I wasn't ragging on you for being whiny, I was just saying that that is indeed how you came across, just so you wouldn't think all those other guys were crazy "fanboys". That's not the point, and you'd get a little more sympathy for your position if you could understand that.. ;)
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Thanks for the input! After reading that I can do BR via the adobe authoring software I feel much better :)

I have been waiting for this FOR A LONG TIME, and between getting VERY busy, and reading WAY too many rumors when the expection supercedes the outcome it sucks.
 
I hear ya!

LostSunrise said:
If they're going to bring out bluray burners there going to want, in traditional apple fashion, for the entire empire of existing software to come along with it. That means dvd studio won't get it until iLife gets it. As neat as Studio Pro is a lot of the pros I know myself included will send out proofs using iDVD. I'm going to cast my vote in and say NAB as well.

They're also going to want to use all the bells and whistles that bluray can do which the dust only recently settled on. I would rather wait than have them simply slap a bluray option onto the current software. So all you get is the option of putting bluray with the same SD style DVD menu and layout because as I said before the standard for bluray players has only recently settled. Manufacturers up until recently were still selling bluray 1.0 compliant players and its currently settled at version 1.3 in 2006 and it took a while for the 1.3 players to make it to market (2007). So mid late 2008 is the prime time to jump in the game.

The only question is, will apple consumer and pro software support models that early adopters buy. The early versions of iDVD didn't support external drives and some internal drives.

You freelancer are an ornery bunch I hope I never have to do event / industrials sounds like it drives you a little batty :p
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The competition is cut throat. It just kills me to what how crystal clear and amazing the footage looks on my ACD and then how degraded it looks on SD DVD.

Thanks clarifying the shifting version issue. I try to live by the line "Do not ascribe to malice, what can be attributed to incompetance". With that sentiment, yet knowing Apple engineers and staff are far from incompetent, I strained to stay away from conspiracy theories. (apple TV) I hope they give us this sooner than late 2008... but I have my solution already via third party stuff anyway so, I'm good.

In all the trades, and forums I had never read that this was a workable workfow. Thanks again to the above poster;)


I want to apologize for to all who I may have offended ... unless you really deserved it:D
 
typical apple...

Play this out in your head...

Steve will get on stage and say something like this....
"We might not be the first to the blueray table but I believe we're going to do it right. And then all the bells and whistles will start flying. He'll say whats wrong with current authoring conventions and then more bells and whistles... More about why they waited.

As far as standards go I'm no expert but if you go onto CNET they explain it fairly well about the different standards they've been going through.
 
I think apple is holding off on offering HD DvD and Blu Ray drives is because, apple is waiting for the price on these things to drop, just like they did with the 32gb RAM option on the MP. There were already 4gb ram sticks before apple introduced them to their line. but they were damn expensive and would end up costing a fortune with the margins apple has to make.
 
I also have to say, that releasing a BR drive in apple's new computers would pretty much kick the **** out of the mac book air. Which is based entirely on wireless technology.:eek: Later on in the year when apple realizes that the MBA isn't selling it will release on all of their machines with all of their software.
 
Another Reason..

The iMacs and Mac Mini's not to mention the portables don't use the full size drives. They all use more or less the same slim drives. Which adds to the complication of adding bluray. The Mac Pro is the only apple machine to use a full size drive. Do they even make slim bluray burner yet? I know they have the DVD-R / bluray-ROM combo drives but even thats pretty new.
 
That Settles it...

If this thing doesn't retail for under 600 they're not going to put it in there consumer oriented models. Its going to be NAB at the earliest for full OS and Pro App integration.
 
LostSunrise said:
If this thing doesn't retail for under 600 they're not going to put it in there consumer oriented models. Its going to be NAB at the earliest for full OS and Pro App integration.
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This topic isn't about putting it in consumer models. It's about putting it in a MP for video professionals that need to output HD material to disc.
 
I realize that...

I realize that, but I feel that apple has become a lot more consumer oriented in the past few years. Which I have mixed feelings on. Point is I don't think they'll bother with adding BluRay support for anything until they can get it into they're consumer end machines. The Mac Pro is at the TIP TOP end of computers and probably not as high volume as the consumer machines especially the notebooks.

I'm commenting on the consumer sector because that will greatly influence apples decision to bring the system and software updates needed to market. And pros' are mobile as well.

I think they're going to wait till they can put it in the both the mac pro and macbook pro.
 
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