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iPod touch Realistic Expectations for iPod Touch 3G
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What exactly are you trying to show here other than that you have no clue what GPS is?
Your first quote ends with :
So, with that established, nothing else in that paragraph is even remotely pertinent to the discussion of how GPS *would* work in the Touch, is it?
Oh, you mean the edit you made an 8:49, some thirteen minutes after my reply? That's a little but spineless, isn't it? Of course it'd work better if the forum didn't track edits.
Yeah, you're a smart one, aren't you.
*plonk*
OK I think the intricacies of how a GPS works have been adequately described here, let's try to get this thread back on topic, which is educated guessing on the features of the next Touch. Wikipedia can be consulted for any further questioning on how GPS works.
Patrick J
macrumors 65816
Shiny back is characteristic of iPods.
Agree
Yep
Don't think so- camera distinguishes the iPhone from the iPod.
Nope, it wouldn't even be able to have AGPS, due to a lack of a cell radio
Exactly, maybe even an internal microphone (remember Steve Jobs announcing the internal speaker of the 2nd gen touch? )
Never
I think that the iPod touch 3.1 design will remain the same, and only the guts will be upgraded (like iPhone 1.2 to 2.1)
And probably even more environmentally friendly. They can clock the CPU higher than the 3GS (which is underclocked) because the touch doesn't have a radio chip sucking up battery.
I think yes, yes and YES - Compass was mentioned as being another controller during the keynote - accelerometer (x,y,z)+compass(rotation) =full flight sim controls (pitch, tilt, and yaw)= can i haz?
Interesting, only if a mic is included though
A front facing camera doesn't have to protude out of the device, it could be hidden like the light sensor. However, if the iPhone doesn't have it, the touch definitely wont.
Maybe, another silent upgrade
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Probably not
I don't think that's entirely true. The phone, texting, 3G connection, and GPS are what differentiates the two products. I don't believe that a camera is limited to only cell phones, and the determining factor over whether to get an iPhone or iPod is not a camera. It's a useful feature on any multimedia handheld device, especially the iPod Touch. I think you'll see the below 25 demographic purchase millions of iPods if it included a camera.
I do not get the argument that adding these things will make it too much like the iPhone.
Uh.. last year when the 2G was first disected people said "oh it's never going to get bluetooth because it's not an iPhone". Guess what happened?
They can shove a GPS,camera, 3G, and mic in there it still wouldn't matter because it is missing the key feature that differentiates the two the phone
Agreed (thought I don't think an iPod will ever get 3G, that makes no sense from Apple's standpoint).
Nothing they put on an iPod (save a Phone and Texting) will hurt the iPhone's sales one bit. The iPhone is first and foremost a communications device, while the iPod is first and foremost a multimedia and music device. Neither product will ever cannibalize the others sales because they are aimed at two different groups of people. I don't think anyone is going to balk at purchasing an iPhone if they include a camera on an iPod, just like I don't think anyone is going to balk at buying an iPod and get an iPhone instead if the next Touch doesn't have a camera. They are two separate markets, and as long as the iPhone remains the only device capable of phone and text (it obviously will), nothing you can add to either will hurt the others sales.
Well 3G would kinda make sense because you would always have access to the store and that's what it seems like the point of the device is to utilize the store
You hit the nail on its head 😀
Except who is going to provide the 3G service? Apple is not providing 3G for the iPhone, AT&T is. And I don't think Apple wants any monthly fees attached to anything iPod. I think that instead of waiting for 3G to expand enough to be useable for an iPod, Apple is simply waiting for Wi-Fi to expand more. I think they are counting on iPod Touch owners being able to access more and more Wi-Fi spots over the next several years than 3G areas. Wi-Fi is much more widespread than 3G access.
In the last year alone my Touch has become more useful as more and more places start providing free Wi-Fi access. Expect the number of places providing it to continue to grow exponentially. What better way to get people into your store or business instead of another one than by providing them with free Wi-Fi access in a world where we are becoming more connected than ever before? I see that becoming a draw for many businesses. For example, my local Applebee's is now providing free Wi-Fi access. They didn't a year ago.
I was under the assumption that if a device has 3G you could use it with any carrier that has it and your not tied to one specific carrier + you do not have to use it or activate it if you do not want to
With wifi though you still have to go from place to place in order to get a connection not the same level of freedom as a constant data connection. Unless of course you live somewhere like NYC where wifi is abundant so it is kinda like having a constant data connection.
I think it would be kinda cool if the touch did have it but i'm not holding my breath. I just hope more carriers will get the mifi device or a 3G modem for the dock connector comes out. Verizon and Sprint $60 for a 5gb cap is just ridiculous 😡
Okay here are my predictions:
Processor and ram bump up to 3GS level and the processor will probably be clocked higher than the iPhone
Longer battery life
Camera like the one on the 3GS: I don't really want one but so many people do that apple would be stupid not to (apple has been stupid before though)
Microphone: duh
improved speaker: duh
Thicker housing: just barely and it will still be a stainless finish on the back with the oleophobic coating
Fix the volume and power button so that the give more positive feedback when pressed
Things I doubt will happen but would be cool:
Higher resolution OLED screen
GPS/compass
vibration
relocate the headphone jack to the top
A dedicated Skype app (just like the iphone but for skype) with persistent WiFi: it's the new internet phone
Echo location: dolphins have had it for eons 😉
Things that won't happen:
FM Radio: People still listen to FM radio? Apple wouldn't do this just because it would be admitting they were wrong.
Front facing camera
Processor and ram bump up to 3GS level and the processor will probably be clocked higher than the iPhone
Longer battery life
Camera like the one on the 3GS: I don't really want one but so many people do that apple would be stupid not to (apple has been stupid before though)
Microphone: duh
improved speaker: duh
Thicker housing: just barely and it will still be a stainless finish on the back with the oleophobic coating
Fix the volume and power button so that the give more positive feedback when pressed
Things I doubt will happen but would be cool:
Higher resolution OLED screen
GPS/compass
vibration
relocate the headphone jack to the top
A dedicated Skype app (just like the iphone but for skype) with persistent WiFi: it's the new internet phone
Echo location: dolphins have had it for eons 😉
Things that won't happen:
FM Radio: People still listen to FM radio? Apple wouldn't do this just because it would be admitting they were wrong.
Front facing camera
crackbookpro
macrumors 65816
I agree with you about the 3G. Will it happen? Nah, I think no time soon! Can it happen in the next couple of years? Yes, it can, but right now, no way! Does it make sense? Right now, no it doesn't because that is a true distinction of the two products. But, if you are telling me they will never do it. I think there is reason(s) to believe they may. For one, if a competitor like the Zune gets '24/7 internet' down the road with a cheap monthly internet access😱 ...who knows how? - if it is 3G,4G, or something strictly for the internet w/no voice capability. >>>Apple will compete at that time. And the other issue, resides on the communications contracts that would be issued if this did happen. With iPhone only being limited to AT&T, the 'make-believe iPod Touch 3G' has a small market. Of course, all that is hypothetical.
Right now, the most money Apple can make with iPod Touch is releasing something very innovative >>> a camera or larger storage. The most money Apple can make with iPhone is releasing it to other carriers. Yes the 3Gs make them a lot of money. But that is nothing compared to the 'smartphone' market share they would have if they made it available to all carriers...so there are really two different strategies Apple has on their plates.
Having a camera for both products? ...only helps sales for both products, and by no means will distinguish them. They are two different markets as the OP mentions...
Cheers,
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I don't think the iPod touch will ever have 3G. The main draw of the iPhone is not it's phone feature (despite what some people like to think), it's the fact that the iPhone has the best mobile browsing experience. No one would buy an iPhone if they can get it's best features for a lower price. If the iPod touch charged $40/month for data access, many people would opt for that instead. It's not profitable for Apple or AT&T.
WB2Colorado
macrumors 6502
I don't agree with the whole music thing. What if you are kinda poor right now and can't afford more music, but still want to listen to new songs? This is why my next MP3 player might be a Zune, because it DOES have an FM tuner. Infact, the iPod not having one is kind of turning me off of it. To each his own, I guess.
Also, you're probably going to bring in the whole "But we have internet radio!". I don't like listening to stations that arn't local, and none of my local stations have online streams, so its FM or bust.
The iPod is a high-end media player though. If you can't afford to buy new music, you probably can't afford an iPod Touch anyway. The iPod does so many things a Zune cannot do, and does other things so much better, an FM tuner would never be the determining factor for me. But as you said, to each his own.
Another interesting point that somehow only just occurred to me. If Apple includes a camera on the new iPod with video recording, it would have to have a microphone on the device, because video needs sound and Apple can't expect people to have their headphones connected whenever they want to take video. So if you see video recording, you'll see a microphone. Just a thought...
Video camera?
Do you think the camera would take videos too? If yes, then it would be probably reasonable for the mic to be a built-in feature of the next generation iPod.🙂
Do you think the camera would take videos too? If yes, then it would be probably reasonable for the mic to be a built-in feature of the next generation iPod.🙂
agkm800
macrumors 6502a
As far as the exterior design is concerned
I wouldn't mind a slightly thicker housing and it doesn't have to have tapered edges either; I'd like the rectangular look. However, I wish to see brushed aluminum back if Apple will keep it metal instead of plastic. IMO, current shiny chrome look + black plastic buttons rather make the iPod Touch look cheap. Brushed aluminum (rectangular) back with metal buttons will do the trick for me.
BUT, I don't think these will happen for one major reason: iPod Touch must look like iPhone, but it must not look better than iPhone.
Apple wants iPod Touch to look like iPhone, yet Apple does not want iPod Touch to look better than iPhone. Therefore, our expectations, as far as the exterior design and material are concerned, must not exceed the current design of iPhone 3GS.
Conclusion: 3rd Gen iPod Touch's design will not change just like iPhone 3GS' design did not change. But, camera will be there.
Therefore, all I can wish for the 3rd Gen iPod Touch are: less shiny metal back and chrome buttons.
I wouldn't mind a slightly thicker housing and it doesn't have to have tapered edges either; I'd like the rectangular look. However, I wish to see brushed aluminum back if Apple will keep it metal instead of plastic. IMO, current shiny chrome look + black plastic buttons rather make the iPod Touch look cheap. Brushed aluminum (rectangular) back with metal buttons will do the trick for me.
BUT, I don't think these will happen for one major reason: iPod Touch must look like iPhone, but it must not look better than iPhone.
Apple wants iPod Touch to look like iPhone, yet Apple does not want iPod Touch to look better than iPhone. Therefore, our expectations, as far as the exterior design and material are concerned, must not exceed the current design of iPhone 3GS.
Conclusion: 3rd Gen iPod Touch's design will not change just like iPhone 3GS' design did not change. But, camera will be there.
Therefore, all I can wish for the 3rd Gen iPod Touch are: less shiny metal back and chrome buttons.
im confused why everyone says that they are so certain there will be a mic in or attachable to the next ipod. while i agree it would rock, i think it opens too many doors for people to use voip to use it as a phone, and could take away from some iphone sales... i understand it would only work over wifi, but for some this would be enough... i know many would love it for the voice memos, and the ease of playing specific songs, but i really feel apple left it out of the last revision for a reason and they will prob. do it again...
the 2g you can attach a mic and the iphone 3gs came with headphones w/ the mic. People are putting 2 and 2 together.
I think GPS is an almost foregone conclusion.
Why? App Store. TomTom will sell MILLIONS more GPS apps if the iPod touch is carrying it. Don't you think TomTom and Apple have a vested interest in capturing that market? I sure do.
Why? App Store. TomTom will sell MILLIONS more GPS apps if the iPod touch is carrying it. Don't you think TomTom and Apple have a vested interest in capturing that market? I sure do.
predictions
iPod Touch 3G
16, 32, 64 GB
229, 299, 399
It will have a minimum of 16 because the iPhone started with 16 and the iPod Touch uses 2 memory chips and the iPhone uses 1 because of the phone chip.
Plastic Backing: No
Not going to happen. The top of the line ipods have metal backs and that won't change.
Fingerprint-resistant oleophobic coating: Yes
Since the 3GS had it, the touch will have it too. Hopefully it doesn't wear away.
Camera: Yes
Apple calls the touch the "Funnest iPod Ever" Cameras are fun and it would be really cool if they implemented a photo booth like app that would also be for the iPhone with effects. It will also have video recording.
GPS: Yes
This would be for caching the locations of the photos. I'm not gonna argue about navigation. It's just that in the new iPhoto it shows where the photo was taken on the map so this would be a cool feature.
Microphone: Yes
If it has video recording, it has to have a microphone unless you want to make silent movies. It would also be cool for shazam and voice control.
3G: No
If people want internet everywhere, get mifi, or get an iPhone
Thinner: No
If it has a camera, no way it is thinner. Not much thicker, but thicker. But I don't care about thickness if it has a camera.
Better battery life, faster performance: Yes
No brainer since the 3GS was faster, they want the Touch to be a gaming device, so increase performance. Also they can improve the battery life since it is going to get thicker because of the camera.
Compass: No
Why? Maybe you want turn by turn, but unlikely.
Voice Control: Yes
Great feature will be added with a microphone. It would be cool to select songs during a game just by saying something.
Front-facing camera: No
Not going to happen because it wasn't on the iPhone
Better speaker: Yes
Apple will slightly improve it. Still no hd audio lol
AM/FM Tuner: Maybe
If it is possible to enable fm receiving, maybe it would be cool to listen to talk radio while I am riding on the bus to work. Would be cool!
No matter what, I am getting it because I am touchless now mine was stolen. 🙁 But maybe it's a good thing because I get an iPod with a camera!
iPod Touch 3G
16, 32, 64 GB
229, 299, 399
It will have a minimum of 16 because the iPhone started with 16 and the iPod Touch uses 2 memory chips and the iPhone uses 1 because of the phone chip.
Plastic Backing: No
Not going to happen. The top of the line ipods have metal backs and that won't change.
Fingerprint-resistant oleophobic coating: Yes
Since the 3GS had it, the touch will have it too. Hopefully it doesn't wear away.
Camera: Yes
Apple calls the touch the "Funnest iPod Ever" Cameras are fun and it would be really cool if they implemented a photo booth like app that would also be for the iPhone with effects. It will also have video recording.
GPS: Yes
This would be for caching the locations of the photos. I'm not gonna argue about navigation. It's just that in the new iPhoto it shows where the photo was taken on the map so this would be a cool feature.
Microphone: Yes
If it has video recording, it has to have a microphone unless you want to make silent movies. It would also be cool for shazam and voice control.
3G: No
If people want internet everywhere, get mifi, or get an iPhone
Thinner: No
If it has a camera, no way it is thinner. Not much thicker, but thicker. But I don't care about thickness if it has a camera.
Better battery life, faster performance: Yes
No brainer since the 3GS was faster, they want the Touch to be a gaming device, so increase performance. Also they can improve the battery life since it is going to get thicker because of the camera.
Compass: No
Why? Maybe you want turn by turn, but unlikely.
Voice Control: Yes
Great feature will be added with a microphone. It would be cool to select songs during a game just by saying something.
Front-facing camera: No
Not going to happen because it wasn't on the iPhone
Better speaker: Yes
Apple will slightly improve it. Still no hd audio lol
AM/FM Tuner: Maybe
If it is possible to enable fm receiving, maybe it would be cool to listen to talk radio while I am riding on the bus to work. Would be cool!
No matter what, I am getting it because I am touchless now mine was stolen. 🙁 But maybe it's a good thing because I get an iPod with a camera!
crackbookpro
macrumors 65816
GPS may happen, but it will still be subpar with only a chip. In an iPod Touch, you need the GPS chip to ping off of the 3G to get what everyone is truly looking for in a GPS - so I don't see it happening yet.
The selling point for me will be larger storage, camera, and better battery life. I would love a mic too. A GPS chip is blah to me, so instead I'd rather see utilization with a mic and videocamera.
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