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Really switching to Intel!!??

I haven't seen anyone comment on the announcement/rumor that XBox will have a 3 ghz G5. If that's the case, then why doesn't that mean the G5 is still improving significantly? Why would Apple run away from the G5 right when Microsoft is running to it?
 
Bad_JuJu said:
I hate to burst your bubble buddy - BUT IT AIN'T THE HW THAT MAKES PCS VULNERABLE TO VIRUSES OR SPY WARE !!!!!!!!!

Its the freakin OS and or the apps running on the platform.

The EXACT same x86 HW runs on millions of servers using UNIX and Linux -- when was the last time you saw a headline like -- Millions of Linux servers at risk due to security flaw in Intel HW.

I'll tell you ---- you've never seen that headline

If Apple has done a good job on OS and app security - all should be well.

geez louise !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! get a grip man !!!!!!!!
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Wow. I've seen a ton of posts over the last 48 hours about the fear of x86 viruses.
 
matznentosh said:
I haven't seen anyone comment on the announcement/rumor that XBox will have a 3 ghz G5. If that's the case, then why doesn't that mean the G5 is still improving significantly? Why would Apple run away from the G5 right when Microsoft is running to it?
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You are incorrect, the XBox does NOT have a G5 in it. It has an IBM chip, but it is not a G5. And trust me, you wouldn't want XBox's triple core 3.2 GHz chips (or whatever they are) in a Mac - your performance would be horrible as that's not what they're designed to do.
 
LaMerVipere said:
Not going to happen.

We must embrace our new x86 overlords, I for one, have already started. :)
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Amen Brother - I prefer to think of us as a small group of rebels teeming up with the last of the old Republic forces to take on the true menance to the computing universe - Microsoft.


Do not confuse Intel with Microsoft --- it is an tense and uneasy alliance -- each one chained to the other - each one looking for an advantage to attack the other.

Intel wants to control their own destiny .....

Microsoft wants to control the world ....


I've worked with teams at Microsoft and see their stratagies --- let me tell you - these guys make Badgers look like house cats on vallium.
 
LaMerVipere said:
I'm beginning to wish that the MR community at large was never even told that the Cell existed. It's developed some type of life of its own, taking over the minds of Mac fan-boys everywhere, getting them to think it's some type of messiah, savior, or do-it-all miracle. It could probably trick them to all drink from the punch bowl with little convincing. It's an entity. It's evil.

It...must...be...stopped.
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Nothing personal, LaMerVipere, but I've seen the term fan-boy used in other posts-- in the context, presented (as in yours) is appears to be meant as a snide pejorative--.

Well, if fan-boy means someone who supports the things he believes in than I am guilty as charged.

Also, I am an amateur computer user-- in the purist sense of the word-- I do what I do because I love it... not because I am paid (a professional) to do it. (amateur is based on the latin amare: to love... look it up!).


So, i guess I am a very proud amateur fan-boy!

Dick
 
You know there are dozens of webpages at Apple being finalized and approved as we speak - wonder what they say ?

I've been to many of Intels developer events as part of keynote demo teams -------- at this point on Sunday - Steve has either wrapped up his practice session at Moscone or did so just recently. All the slides and demos have tweaked - timing checked - sound checked - videos etc.

Lots of last minute actrivity .............
 
What's The Risk of Buying New Hardware Now

I'm wondering what the risk is of buying a new PPC Mac.

Is Apple going to redirect major parts of their software development resources to get the x86 up and running, or are they going to fully support the PPC-based software - and if so, then for how long? Are we going to start hearing "it's availble now for x86 and will be available for PPC in 3 months" for software updates?

They've sold a lot of PPC-based systems to the US Government. Aren't they legally obligated to support them for some fixed (and very long) period of time?
 
Below is a exerpt from a recent interview with Chandrasekher from Intel - hes the mobile VP that drove the Centrino program - and a nice guy - met him a few times. In the interview he also mentions that Intel lost out on the X-Box because MSFT was asking for a very low price on the CPU - and Intel decided it wasn't worth the loss of revenue.

But below he makes it clear that Intel would not do anything "un-natural" to support a deal with Apple - or any partner. Thats Intel-speak for we won't waste time / $$ on a different CPU architecture. Read it and weep or jump for joy ---- it'll be x86 + Apple.



IDGNS: The Wall Street Journal recently reported that Intel has been trying to get Apple to use its processors. Has Intel been talking with Apple?

Chandrasekher: We always talk to Apple. Apple is a design win that we’ve coveted for 20 years and we continue to covet them as a design win. We will never give up on Apple.

IDGNS: What would you be willing to do in order to win Apple’s business?

Chandrasekher: Well, nothing unnatural that we wouldn’t do for other design wins. It’s got to make sense from a business standpoint. We would do what makes economic sense. If we can do that and still get the design win, we’d do it.
 
Bad_JuJu said:
Below is a exerpt from a recent interview with Chandrasekher from Intel - hes the mobile VP that drove the Centrino program - and a nice guy - met him a few times. In the interview he also mentions that Intel lost out on the X-Box because MSFT was asking for a very low price on the CPU - and Intel decided it wasn't worth the loss of revenue.

But below he makes it clear that Intel would not do anything "un-natural" to support a deal with Apple - or any partner. Thats Intel-speak for we won't waste time / $$ on a different CPU architecture. Read it and weep or jump for joy ---- it'll be x86 + Apple.



IDGNS: The Wall Street Journal recently reported that Intel has been trying to get Apple to use its processors. Has Intel been talking with Apple?

Chandrasekher: We always talk to Apple. Apple is a design win that we’ve coveted for 20 years and we continue to covet them as a design win. We will never give up on Apple.

IDGNS: What would you be willing to do in order to win Apple’s business?

Chandrasekher: Well, nothing unnatural that we wouldn’t do for other design wins. It’s got to make sense from a business standpoint. We would do what makes economic sense. If we can do that and still get the design win, we’d do it.
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Ugh. "Intel-inside" + Apple logo "Think Different"?

That Intel jingle is ALREADY giving me nightmares. I don't want it defiling Apple's image.
 
cmkrnl said:
I'm wondering what the risk is of buying a new PPC Mac.

Is Apple going to redirect major parts of their software development resources to get the x86 up and running, or are they going to fully support the PPC-based software - and if so, then for how long? Are we going to start hearing "it's availble now for x86 and will be available for PPC in 3 months" for software updates?

They've sold a lot of PPC-based systems to the US Government. Aren't they legally obligated to support them for some fixed (and very long) period of time?
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You know - I've got to believe that for people who've bought a PPC mac in the past few months - and in the next year or so ----- they would have to offer some kind of trade-in deal in the future as they move to x86.

I would be ok with that -- I've just bought a mini and a powerbook - I would be ok with an upgrade credit good for 2 - 3 yrs --- one can only hope.

Jobs has to give something to the faithful G4/G5 users both to keep them happy and to entice them to move to the new platforms.
 
Bad_JuJu said:
Amen Brother - I prefer to think of us as a small group of rebels teeming up with the last of the old Republic forces to take on the true menance to the computing universe - Microsoft.


Do not confuse Intel with Microsoft --- it is an tense and uneasy alliance -- each one chained to the other - each one looking for an advantage to attack the other.

Intel wants to control their own destiny .....

Microsoft wants to control the world ....
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Sienar Fleet Systems and the Galactic Empire?
 
cmkrnl said:
I'm wondering what the risk is of buying a new PPC Mac.

Is Apple going to redirect major parts of their software development resources to get the x86 up and running, or are they going to fully support the PPC-based software - and if so, then for how long? Are we going to start hearing "it's availble now for x86 and will be available for PPC in 3 months" for software updates?

They've sold a lot of PPC-based systems to the US Government. Aren't they legally obligated to support them for some fixed (and very long) period of time?
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I would say: "Wait until tomorrow-- if you don't get a clear answer, then the answer is very clear!"

As to legal obligation-- Apple may be contractually obligated to provide service (warranties, extended warranties, service contracts & such) but they are not legally obligated to stay in business to provide those services.

In the Automobile Industry, manufacturers (like Studebaker, Packard, Hudson, American Motors, Kaiser, Fraser, Allstate, Tucker, etc) were required to set aside 10 years of service/repair parts (based on anticipated use): in the event the company went out of business, the end user could still get his car fixed.

This is still true, today! I do not believe a similar requirement exists for the Computing Industry-- maybe it should!

Dick
 
After spoiling the surprise in January, intel rumors sound like...

...a good marketing plan by Apple to get attention on them tomorrow and announce something totally different.

If IBM can making smoking double and triple core PPC's for Game Consoles in a year or less, wouldn't a faster G5 be all the easier?

AND... I use a 2.8 GHz intel at work that is WAY SLOWER than my 2x2GHz G5. It's all in the system bus IMHO.
 
This is For REAL

It's on the Front page of the Monday Edition of the WSJ ...this has to be true they would not put thier reputaion on the line like this if it wasn't.

Intel CEO Paul Otellini is expected as a guest speaker
 
On a lighter note, what would happen to all the site with anti-Intel rhetoric, not to mention numerous "MHz myth" articles around the community? What then? Would these all start to disappear?
 
jiggie2g said:
It's on the Front page of the Monday Edition of the WSJ ...this has to be true they would not put thier reputaion on the line like this if it wasn't.

Intel CEO Paul Otellini is expected as a guest speaker
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Or, they could be wrong!
 
Mav451 said:
On a lighter note, what would happen to all the site with anti-Intel rhetoric, not to mention numerous "MHz myth" articles around the community? What then? Would these all start to disappear?
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We can still fight amongst ourselves over whether G5 or x86 Macs kick more butt.
 
dicklacara said:
Or, they could be wrong!
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Or not...wow the power of denial ..i guess u can bring a horse to water ...you know that rest.

Do u really think that the top news sources around the globe are going to put this out , especially the WSJ on thier font page at the risk of thier reputaion and credibility unless they have herd this from the horses mouth ....It's a done deal LIVE WITH IT.
 
Bad_JuJu said:
Yeah the Intel Jingle - BONG! bong Bong bong bonnng


And very few people know the actual words that go with the jingle -- let me share


"Hey ! We own your asss"
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Silly me, I always thought it was.. "It's a piece of *****!"

Shrug.
 
Mav451 said:
Ugh. "Intel-inside" + Apple logo "Think Different"?
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We can rule out these:

Intel Different
Intel Think
Different Intel
Inside Think
Think Inside
Think Intel

which leaves the new slogan as

Different Inside (better than "Inside Different")

and that's exactly the point: different processor on the inside, same friendly interface on the outside.
 
WHHHHHAAAAAAAT? HUHHHHHHHHH?!!! DUHHHH?!

Everytime I read a post (hundreds) that fears Intel processors because of viruses, supposed slowness & poor quality.... I just have to wonder how much all these comments are qualified ? Intel makes great processors as does AMD. They don't have anything to do with making it easy for viruses to exist. A poor quality OS & software do that..... NOT THE PROCESSOR.

Apple makes a great stable operating system & Intel makes great chips. This is a winning combination if brought to fruition. Especially with dual-core chips & eventually dual core running multiprocessor quad in the near future. G5 processors are nothing special.

Apple is a great OS & application designer (& Marketer).

It sounds like they have practically brainwashed customers over the "Awesome Almighty Power Of THE G5!!!!!"
People should look around before they get all worked up over the possible loss of G5.
 
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