Reason for no TouchID

[Applejuiced]

We all think Apple is great and everything but think of that for a second.
A camera that will work and recognize your face when sitting flat on a table inside a very small smartphone while facing up at the ceiling. How?

From everything I have read, the camera should work at a number of different angles, even flat on a desk. .

[doublepost=1505152150][/doublepost]I agree.
Only a day left but I hope its not anything like it is right now with many android devices.

I guess most people will have to see it in person, because they don't understand how it works...

 

[Nozuka]

insensitive comment incoming:

maybe they can wear a mask in front of the burka and unlock it like that?

 

[DNichter]

We all think Apple is great and everything but think of that for a second.
A camera that will work and recognize your face when sitting flat on a table inside a very small smartphone while facing up at the ceiling. How?


[doublepost=1505152150][/doublepost]I agree.
Only a day left but I hope its not anything it is right now with many android devices.

I don't know, I am no engineer, but I have seen the lights that emit from a kinect (Apple bought the company that created the kinect) and they cover an entire room from their cameras. And that was years ago. I would think starting there and developing over the years with Apple's engineering prowess, they have probably come up with a great solution.

 

[Applejuiced]

I bet it will be magical
We just gotta wait and see those hands on videos.

I don't know, I am no engineer, but I have seen the lights that emit from a kinect (Apple bought the company that created the kinect) and they cover an entire room from their cameras. And that was years ago. I would think starting there and developing over the years with Apple's engineering prowess, they have probably come up with a great solution.

 

[profets]

It doesn’t feel like Apple has the magic they once had where SJ would laugh at the idea of having focus groups, because he said consumers don’t even know what they want because we haven’t given it to them yet but they will once they see it, kinda thing

I don’t think everyone’s been dying for Touch ID to be killed off and replaced with face sensing abilities.

I could be wrong tho, but thats just my take!

The irony...

 

[thadoggfather]

The irony...

It’s not irony

I am of the opinion that FaceID will be a fumble for Apple no matter its implementation. And a major point of debate for whether or not I will get an iPhone X or not, even though I want an iPhone with an OLED panel eventually, pricing concerns aside.

If it IS a great success, and does remove doubt in everyone’s mind that it’s the logical successor and replacement to TouchID, then I will happily stand corrected.

 

[santaliqueur]

You're way too confident.
I really doubt face recognition will be faster or easier than touch ID.

"I know more about an unreleased product than the nearly $1 trillion company that designed it over the past few years"

FaceID will be as good or better than TouchID. How do I know this? The iPhone is responsible for about ⅔ of Apple's revenue. Screwing up their flagship product would be a complete financial disaster. FaceID is awesome because Apple thinks it's ready for the public. If it wasn't ready, we'd have TouchID across all platforms for another generation.

FaceID is awesome because we're getting it in the new iPhones. Very simple.

 

[DNichter]

I bet it will be magical
We just gotta wait and see those hands on videos.

Probably exactly the word they will use. Once we see it in action, my bet is everyone will be happy with it. Except for the "what if" people that try to think of every scenario possible where it won't work.

 

[Applejuiced]

Im not sure at the moment if the OLED screen is worth losing the touch ID.
But from what I heard the OLED model is supposed to have a little bigger screen than the plus iphone model.
Im looking forward to tomorrow

It’s not irony

I am of the opinion that FaceID will be a fumble for Apple. And a major point of debate for whether or not I will get an iPhone X or not, even though I want an iPhone with an OLED panel eventually, pricing concerns aside.

If it IS a great success, and does remove doubt in everyone’s mind that it’s the logical successor and replacement to TouchID, then I will happily stand corrected.

 

[profets]

It’s not irony

I am of the opinion that FaceID will be a fumble for Apple no matter its implementation. And a major point of debate for whether or not I will get an iPhone X or not, even though I want an iPhone with an OLED panel eventually, pricing concerns aside.

If it IS a great success, and does remove doubt in everyone’s mind that it’s the logical successor and replacement to TouchID, then I will happily stand corrected.

That's the thing - everyone is going crazy over the possible replacement of Touch ID with Face ID. If Face ID is faster, more secure, and requires less interaction from the user (as has been reported), then what is not to like? It would be a classic Steve Jobs move to take away something and replace it with something better, even with customers not knowing what they want.

And really, even if it's implementation is done well it'll still be a fumble?

 

[thadoggfather]

Im not sure at the moment if the OLED screen is worth losing the touch ID.
But from what I heard the OLED model is supposed to have a little bigger screen than the plus iphone model.
Im looking forward to tomorrow

Yeah I don’t think it is either. Stock at least,

I’m probably going to fall under the “wait and see” camp even after its release in stores

 

[kdarling]

Not to mention security Face ID will never beat your fingerprint.

Now that you made such a claim, you're going to have to defend it

Please tell us how the new facial id is less secure than a fingerprint?

Since the facial id is apparently going to be using 3D cues, someone wanting to spoof it will need a 3D face replica that works under infrared.

I'd say it's easier to create an easily hidden duplicate fingerprint that no one will notice.

Then there is Apple Pay, what do we do in that case. Ensure phone is lined up with my phone as I move it to payment device, just doesn't make sense from a usability perspective.

Using just a little imagination, others here have come up with ways around that. For example, it could unlock beforehand (just as is possible now) and stay that way as long as you keep a finger on a virtual button.

Exactly, TouchID could pretty much be used by anyone at any time unless you were wearing gloves.

Many of remember thinking that capacitive touch / fingerprint sensors made no sense to people in the parts of the world where we wear gloves a lot.

Yet people adapted.

 

[Applejuiced]

That settles it then.
The true judge would be consumers voting with their wallets though

"I know more about an unreleased product than the nearly $1 trillion company that designed it over the past few years"

FaceID will be as good or better than TouchID. How do I know this? The iPhone is responsible for about ⅔ of Apple's revenue. Screwing up their flagship product would be a complete financial disaster.

 

[thadoggfather]

That's the thing - everyone is going crazy over the possible replacement of Touch ID with Face ID. If Face ID is faster, more secure, and requires less interaction from the user (as has been reported), then what is not to like? It would be a classic Steve Jobs move to take away something and replace it with something better, even with customers not knowing what they want.

And really, even if it's implementation is done well it'll still be a fumble?

Don’t be SO defensive about a tech not yet announced officially or played with by the masses.

I am not on the full blown offensive that FaceID is the worst decision Apple has ever made, ever.

I personally like interacting with my phone with my finger, conscious interaction, and as mentioned before, I like jailbreak tweaks that expand on its utility: tapping with my finger to simulate a click, tap and hold to lock phone, and swiping horizontally to toggle apps/multitask.

And I just like TouchID, I prefer it conceptually to a machine learning iPhone learning my face and surroundings, and becoming an educated contributing member of society, now.

I like the haptic feedback engine from pressing the home button. I think with 7/7+ they perfected home button/Touch ID/etc etc. They are leaving the tech on a really high note,

I like my 7+ so much, that they have tough shoes to fill. Is that such a terrible thing to say? Geez

If FaceID complemented touchID, as an alternate means to unlock, I doubt that many people would be that skeptical

But replacing TouchID, feels premature and like a big gamble, TO ME

 

[profets]

Don’t be SO defensive about a tech not yet announced officially or played with by the masses.

I am not on the full blown offensive that FaceID is the worst decision Apple has ever made, ever.

I personally like interacting with my phone with my finger, conscious interaction, and as mentioned before, I like jailbreak tweaks that expand on its utility: tapping with my finger to simulate a click, tap and hold to lock phone, and swiping horizontally to toggle apps/multitask.

And I just like TouchID, I prefer it conceptually to a machine learning iPhone learning my face and surroundings, and becoming an educated contributing member of society, now.

I like the haptic feedback engine from pressing the home button. I think with 7/7+ they perfected home button/Touch ID/etc etc. They are leaving the tech on a really high note,

I like my 7+ so much, that they have tough shoes to fill. Is that such a terrible thing to say? Geez

If FaceID complemented touchID, as an alternate means to unlock, I doubt that many people would be that skeptical

But replacing TouchID, feels premature and like a big gamble, TO ME

I'm not being defensive about anything. It just gets tiring to see so many judge and claim that Face ID is a failure without even seeing it in action.

And the original post was still ironic. Complaining about something new, yet citing SJ who would do just that - move forward with technology once it becomes possible.

 

[thadoggfather]

I'm not being defensive about anything. It just gets tiring to see so many judge and claim that Face ID is a failure without even seeing it in action.

And the original post was still ironic. Complaining about something new, yet citing SJ who would do just that - move forward with technology once it becomes possible.

"It just gets tiring"

Why are you fatigued by people speculating about the next biggest apple feature? Why are you seemingly taking this personal? Did you work on face ID Project personally or something? I really don't get it.

That would appear where your fault lies

People praising FaceID like it's going to change the paradigm of iPhones as we know it, doesn't bother me in the slightest. In fact I welcome a diversity of opinion it keeps things interesting

I suggest you practice the same ambivalence

 

[frankgrimes]

so government can easier unlock the phone.

Face recognition is proven as less secure than fingerprints because pictures can be easier fooled than real thumb pressure

 

[profets]

"It just gets tiring"

Why are you fatigued by people speculating about the next biggest apple feature? Why are you seemingly taking this personal? Did you work on face ID personally or something? I don't get it.

That would appear where your fault lies

People praising FaceID like it's going to change the paradigm of iPhones as we know it, doesn't bother me in the slightest

I suggest you practice the same ambivalence

Because all of the complaints stem from people jumping to conclusions, without really spending time to think outside of the box, or even at least logically and rationally to where technology is headed. That would appear where your fault lies.

 

[thadoggfather]

Because all of the complaints stem from people jumping to conclusions, without really spending time to think outside of the box, or even at least logically and rationally to where technology is headed. That would appear where your fault lies.

This is macrumors

If you don't want people jumping to conclusions from rumors (in this case d22 firmware leaks) , don't read what they're saying

I fail to see where you're going with this, genuinely.

I'm giving the forum my gut reaction to face ID replacing Touch ID and have already stated if I'm wrong, I will happily mince my words and stand corrected. I'm not above admitting I'm wrong when I am

Not sure how else I can satisfy whatever it is you're looking for?

These units will still fly off the shelves. Thadoggfather's stream of consciousness isn't going to sway sales # materially AT ALL

 

[kdarling]

Face recognition is proven as less secure than fingerprints because pictures can be easier fooled than real thumb pressure

3D face recognition doesn't use pictures.

TouchId doesn't use thumb pressure.

 

[profets]

This is macrumors

If you don't want people jumping to conclusions from rumors (in this case d22 firmware leaks) , don't read what they're saying

I fail to see where you're going with this, genuinely.

I'm giving the forum my gut reaction to face ID replacing Touch ID and have already stated if I'm wrong, I will happily mince my words and stand corrected. I'm not above admitting I'm wrong when I am

Not sure how else I can satisfy whatever it is you're looking for?

These units will still fly off the shelves. Thadoggfather's stream of consciousness isn't going to sway sales # materially AT ALL

Nah, I'm not looking for anything. I'm still enjoying the irony in your original post, LOL.

 

[thadoggfather]

Nah, I'm not looking for anything. I'm still enjoying the irony in your original post, LOL.

Not looking to start anything, I see

Enjoy!

 

[profets]

Not looking to start anything, I see

Enjoy!

Cheers!

 

[thadoggfather]

Also on a related note,

I’m glad the dust has settled on TouchBar, under Cook’s reign, and that has proven to be the thing no one was asking for, and yet it turns out EVERYONE wanted, including people who use their machines for pro work to send emojis to their coworkers more efficiently than digging through the emoji menu

...As indicated by many threads asking why Apple doesn’t offer a 4-port non-TouchBar 13” or a 15” non-touchbar option for people who aren’t interested in that feature and would prefer a physical escape key or row of static function keys

But yes, skepticism is the most toxic thing to ever happen to MR, not discourse that ends up being completely unrelated to the OP’s post because of interpersonal bickering.

Like when people were wondering if Gruber’s throw out number of $1500 for the ‘iPhone Pro’ at the time, was real... Only $1500? Please please, it cant be more than that? Would be criminal to JUST charge $1500.

FOR ALL WE KNOW, Gruber could’ve planted that number to see if it would fly or not, to ALSO include TouchID, and turns out people vehemently rejected the concept of paying $1500, regardless of what’s in it or not.

So maybe you’ll even get a cheaper iPhone X than Apple wanted to charge, for a feature you don’t want or care about anymore or see utility in, BECAUSE OF PEOPLE LIKE ME who are skeptical; the irony.

Also wondering if a product’s successor can really beat out the user experience from the previous generation because the bar is THAT high

What a horrible and bad thing to suggest, someone with historical upgrade fever who is happy with their phone for once and will live if they don’t get the newest one the second its in stores. So... fatiguing, you could say.

 

[Applejuiced]

You dont have to defend anything or get tired chasing everyone's opinion you know that right?
People will judge and rightfully because its their money their spending. They decide what works for them or what doesnt.

I'm not being defensive about anything. It just gets tiring to see so many judge and claim that Face ID is a failure without even seeing it in action.

And the original post was still ironic. Complaining about something new, yet citing SJ who would do just that - move forward with technology once it becomes possible.