Recent Samsung Patent Filing Includes Images of Apple Watch

admob71 said:
]It's used for reference purposes.
Just about every patent submitted lists prior patents and images to give the examiner a frame of reference.
Samsung is not making any claim to the design in the application.
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I was just making fun of some of the Samsung knocking off.
 
keysofanxiety said:
Then why sketch something bloody identical to the Apple Watch. Identical.

You're talking about wristbands. A band that goes around your wrist.

If a patent office can't conceive of something like that without an exact replica, the system is more broken than I thought.

They even put the little circles on the back. That would take more effort to actually put in. At least make it a heartless slab of nothingness.
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These are clearly taken directly from an Watch patent filing.
 
I recommend everyone take a deep breath and actually go look at the patent application that was in fact linked in the original post. The post title is a bit click-baity, though it is completely true, "Recent Samsung Patent Filing Includes Images of Apple Watch", but it's normal for this to happen and not a big deal.

Lets all take a break, head over there, give it a perusing, and then come back and discuss like we know what we're talking about. http://pdfaiw.uspto.gov/.aiw?PageNu...f=G%26l=50%26s1=20160223992.PGNR.%26OS=%26RS=
 
Its like one giant middle finger to Apple. I 'love' how much Samesung has gotten away with in this past decade.
 
Zazlow said:
I recommend everyone take a deep breath and actually go look at the patent application that was in fact linked in the original post. The post title is a bit click-baity, though it is completely true, "Recent Samsung Patent Filing Includes Images of Apple Watch", but it's normal for this to happen and not a big deal.

Lets all take a break, head over there, give it a perusing, and then come back and discuss like we know what we're talking about. http://pdfaiw.uspto.gov/.aiw?PageNum=1&docid=20160223992&IDKey=56039FDC09DF&HomeUrl=http://appft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1%26Sect2=HITOFF%26d=PG01%26p=1%26u=/netahtml/PTO/srchnum.html%26r=1%26f=G%26l=50%26s1=20160223992.PGNR.%26OS=%26RS=
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Looked at already and it brings up a question: so does all of that come up in some sort of "references" type of section in a patent filing or anything like that, or just randomly in the middle of it all where the design behind the idea is being shown/broken down? Based on what's linked it seems to be the latter, which is an odd way to present it all (unless that's how the patent office expects it--just a random collection of everything in one place--and given that its bureaucratic and governmental nature, I guess that might not exactly be all that shocking).
 
rjohnstone said:
It's used for reference purposes.
Just about every patent submitted lists prior patents and images to give the examiner a frame of reference.
Samsung is not making any claim to the design in the application.

And as expected, the masses who know nothing about the filing process are already offended for Apple.

Where's the popcorn when you need it?
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Um, no. Speaking as one who does know something about the filing process, and has read the application, these are not prior art figures. Particularly, look at Samsung's own description of the drawings:

[0025] FIGS. 10A to 10F and 11A to 11F are view illustrating diverse shapes, structures, and materials of a first strap portion or a second strap portion in a wearable device according to an embodiment of the present disclosure; (emphasis mine)
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While no, they are not explicitly claiming the design of the Apple Watch, they are quite clearly using the drawings to illustrate an aspect of what they are claiming.

C DM said:
Looked at already and it brings up a question: so does all of that come up in some sort of "references" type of section in a patent filing or anything like that, or just randomly in the middle of it all where the design behind the idea is being shown/broken down?
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These are not used in a reference manner. They are in the middle being used to describe aspects of the invention. Customarily, when prior art images are used, the appear as the first images and are frequently discussed in the background (now a rather disfavored practice in US filings) or at the beginning of the Detailed Description. Further, when something is being used merely for a frame of reference of the current state of the art (also relatively disfavored in US practice unless absolutely necessary and unavoidable), the rules require that the image be explicitly labeled "Prior Art."
 
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rjohnstone said:
It's in there too.
It helps your case when you give the examiner as much background info as possible.

This particular patent filing is related to smart bands or bands that provide additional functionality and their various connection methods.
99% of the people commenting will not bother to actually go and read the claims of the patent. They'll feign outrage and make wild claims of copying.
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Let me be part of the 1% that merely find it ironic that Samsung thinks that a sketch of an Apple Watch is the most generic representation of a smartwatch. If this weren't Samsung, I could entertain the idea that the patent illustrators were aware of this irony and used this sketch as a deliberate joke.
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doctor-don said:
Does Samsung make any computer - other than their tablets?
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Very much so, for example: http://www.samsung.com/us/business/computing/laptops/
 
suggesting Samsung’s product designers and engineers are plagiarizing Apple’s wearable device.
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There; fixed it for you.

Is this even legal for a patent application? Are they going to claim that they patented the design of the Watch because they filed a claim with the illustration in it?
 
jayducharme said:
Are they going to claim that they patented the design of the Watch because they filed a claim with the illustration in it?
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No, their legal protection, if a patent ever results from this application (check back likely in a few years), would be limited to the metes and bounds of the claims. Just because they include an illustration of something doesn't mean they get protection for what is shown in that illustration. Though, if there is a questions about what their claims refer to, the illustrations and accompanying description may be used to help explain the meaning of the claims.

However, as others have said, it does kind of seem like rather poor/lazy practice, and possibly somewhat passive aggressive, to use images that are so clearly meant to invoke thought of the Apple Watch.
 
keysofanxiety said:
For Odin's sake, it's a touchscreen attached to a wrist band. Based on that immensely vague description, can Samsung's engineers really not sketch something remotely distinguishable from an Apple Watch?
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Did you go look at the patent application?

It seems to be partly about a powered band that can be attached to anything from an analog watch, to a smartwatch, to an exercise band.

So I think, at first glance, that all the illustrations of such attachments are there as examples; the Apple Watch being just one of many possible examples shown.
 
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rek89 said:
No, their legal protection, if a patent ever results from this application (check back likely in a few years), would be limited to the metes and bounds of the claims. Just because they include an illustration of something doesn't mean they get protection for what is shown in that illustration. Though, if there is a questions about what their claims refer to, the illustrations and accompanying description may be used to help explain the meaning of the claims.

However, as others have said, it does kind of seem like rather poor/lazy practice, and possibly somewhat passive aggressive, to use images that are so clearly meant to invoke thought of the Apple Watch.
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IOW, nothing to see here, move along.

Good luck with that.
 
Using someone else's copyright material in your patent filing ....
Now if they work in a trademark we will be all set:D
 
In other words. Samsung is going to make a dorky watch that's as lame as the Apple Watch and, just like it, won't be a success, or considered cool by anyone other than geeky apple fanboys and girls.
 
Samsung's marketing material for the next Gear smartwatch just leaked.... o_O


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I'm probably the minority here, but I'm so sick of the "Samsung copies Apple" and "X tech company copies X tech company!" mentality.

It's served its time. I'm just letting it go now.
 
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