Recent Samsung Patent Filing Includes Images of Apple Watch

[9081094]

]It's used for reference purposes.
Just about every patent submitted lists prior patents and images to give the examiner a frame of reference.
Samsung is not making any claim to the design in the application.

Too bad nobody here seems to notice this

 

[Feenician]

lol at the mental back flips of the Samsung Defense Force. "These exact copies of apple marketing materials are only for reference guys! They couldn't use images of their own watches because of, um,... reasons"

 

[RedGala]

It's used for reference purposes.
Just about every patent submitted lists prior patents and images to give the examiner a frame of reference.
Samsung is not making any claim to the design in the application.

And as expected, the masses who know nothing about the filing process are already offended for Apple.

Where's the popcorn when you need it?

Thanks for the insight.

 

[C DM]

Too bad nobody here seems to notice this

No one at all...except different people discussing it all.

 

[Cole Slaw]

Does Samsung make any computer - other than their tablets?

If you're talking about actually manufacturing product, Samsung MAKES a lot of things.
Apple actually MAKES nothing.

 

[C DM]

The masses who know nothing about the filing process gathered it up and are hurling it at Samsung.

Perhaps filling in the blanks might help?
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If you're talking about actually manufacturing product, Samsung MAKES a lot of things.
Apple actually MAKES nothing.

Apple doesn't own any manufacturing at all?

 

[ani4ani]

When you file a patent application and you reference prior art, you do exactly that, you do not not recreate your version of it, your interpretation of it, you want the examiner to use all of his/her time evaluating your claims and not using their time trying to determine whether you have made errors in prior art submissions. So if you can, you will use copies of the actual documents, the exact words and the exact illustrations.

 

[C DM]

When you file a patent application and you reference prior art, you do exactly that, you do not not recreate your version of it, your interpretation of it, you want the examiner to use all of his/her time evaluating your claims and not using their time trying to determine whether you have made errors in prior art submissions. So if you can, you will use copies of the actual documents, the exact words and the exact illustrations.

Do you reference it as prior art and/or have it in a section related to that, or just in the middle all other diagrams and details all together?

 

[kiancheong]

It's used for reference purposes.
Just about every patent submitted lists prior patents and images to give the examiner a frame of reference.
Samsung is not making any claim to the design in the application.

Cmd+C

]It's used for reference purposes.
Just about every patent submitted lists prior patents and images to give the examiner a frame of reference.
Samsung is not making any claim to the design in the application.

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]It's used for reference purposes.
Just about every patent submitted lists prior patents and images to give the examiner a frame of reference.
Samsung is not making any claim to the design in the application.

Cmd+V

]It's used for reference purposes.
Just about every patent submitted lists prior patents and images to give the examiner a frame of reference.
Samsung is not making any claim to the design in the application.

Cmd+V

 

[canadianreader]

Hahaha man this is EPIC!!!
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I'm probably the minority here, but I'm so sick of the "Samsung copies Apple" and "X tech company copies X tech company!" mentality.

It's served its time. I'm just letting it go now.

This is not mentality and whatever that means btw, this is news and most likely we'll hear about this in the future.

 

[ani4ani]

Do you reference it as prior art and/or have it in a section related to that, or just in the middle all other diagrams and details all together?

You do what you think will help the examiner agree that you have a claim that is valid, simple as that. You are making your case as strong as you can to support your claims.

 

[TomMcIn]

]It's used for reference purposes.
Just about every patent submitted lists prior patents and images to give the examiner a frame of reference.
Samsung is not making any claim to the design in the application.

An honest application would note what was reference and what was original.

 

[C DM]

You do what you think will help the examiner agree that you have a claim that is valid, simple as that. You are making your case as strong as you can to support your claims.

So you just put those things in the middle of your designs without any labels of them being prior art or anything else?

 

[Solomani]

Well this is just ridiculous. Samsung does have some cool products so it's completely unnecessary to copy Apple. What kind of message do they even send out as a company when they don't seem to be confident enough to use their own product designs...

Because Samsung is too lazy to bother coming up with its own designs (even if it's simply a matter of coming up with unique diagrams/illustrations, as it is in this case). Much easier to just copy existing ones, less effort involved that way.

 

[StevieD100]

But I thought Popcorn was the name for the upcoming Android OS?

It is so I guess that Alphabet/Google will trademark it so we will have to find another name for the 'tasteless popped maize kernels' that we enjoy at times like these. May I suggest 'CornPoppers'.

 

[GadgetBen]

The head of design is a guy called Ronnie Jive

Haha. I thought it was Sam Sung?

 

[Romey-Rome]

I guess Apple needs to start pattenting their patents.

 

[LCPepper]

The head of design is a guy called Ronnie Jive

I have been laughing at this for the last 5 minutes.

Was it intentional that you used the R in the sense that some non-Asian people use it to imitate the Asian accents?

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Samsung will probably just become the world's largest manufacturer of fake/ replica iPhones and  Watches eventually. Hell, cut out the "middle man" and copy it directly.

 

[The Game 161]

Why would Samsung need to copy Apple right now? Dont buy this

 

[rek89]

Do you reference it as prior art and/or have it in a section related to that, or just in the middle all other diagrams and details all together?

So you just put those things in the middle of your designs without any labels of them being prior art or anything else?

If the people drafting the patent application cares to follow the rules, it should be labeled.

608.02(G) ILLUSTRATION OF PRIOR ART [R-08.2012]
Figures showing the prior art are usually unnecessary and should be canceled. Ex parte Elliott, 1904 C.D. 103, 109 OG 1337 (Comm’r Pat. 1904). However, where needed to understand applicant’s invention, they may be retained if designated by a legend such as “Prior Art.”

If the prior art figure is not labeled, form paragraph 6.36.01 may be used.[/QUOTE/

So, based on the Manual of Patent Examining Procedure (MPEP - aka, the Patent Examiner's bible) they should be labeled prior art if they are being used as a reference or prior art.

 

[Michaelgtrusa]

Perhaps a conflict is wanted.

 

[akash.nu]

Samsung has a well-established culture of outright copying, and even when caught red-handed they just keep going. While I will be looking at an Android phone for my next purchase, I definitely will be staying away from anything made by Samsung.

Although you're right but in the Android world Samsung devices have the best feature and build quality. Especially the newer devices.

Including their TVs, which seem to be everywhere these days...

Really?! I thought they're doing just fine with TVs and fridges.

 

[44267547]

And then next year.. they remove headphone jack's from their phones.

I think Apple is only doing what will be expected from many manufacturers in the future. Apple is not afraid to push the envelope per say and they understand technology changes, which can be difficult for the customer to accept change, because change is not always convenient, but pertinent for transition.

 

[thekeyring]

For Odin's sake, it's a touchscreen attached to a wrist band. Based on that immensely vague description, can Samsung's engineers really not sketch something remotely distinguishable from an Apple Watch?

Yeah... Like the Galaxy Gear?!

I know patent applications don't follow product design (the product sketches in Apple patents look nothing like the sleek products they release) but this is insane: it shows Samsung really are focused on Apple and what Apple are doing.

 

[tatonka]

"We" still have no idea why you thought this patent was noteworthy in this discussion. The fact that Samsung can patent worthless ideas doesn't justify lifting images from a copyrighted Apple materials. They might as well have patented swinging sideways on a swing.

Dude, relax .. it was just a 'we' as in we as a group of people .. nothing to get work up about really.

The patent link was a reply to a guy saying "Samesung is always blatantly copying Apples designs" .. so it a very natural response to point out things that Apple copied, showcasing that this is indeed nothing special to Samsung alone .. not sure how this is unclear really. In particular since nobody is copying anything in this patent application really (or at least not making any novelty claims on it).
Besides a digital crown as an idea is a damn clever invention. Whether it is the ultimate input method can be discussed, but coming up with stuff like is not a trivial thing to do and certainly a lot of people including Apple Management thought it was a worthy idea.