Also unless he bought a maxed-out 28-Core model he isn't really suffering from missing out on apple holding back on a higher performance model that he couldn't have already rectified himself.
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That's my thinking as well. It hasn't even been a year since the release of the M1 Macs, they could easily put this out as a stop-gap and then follow up in early to mid-2022 with the M? Mac Pro.
there are a number of oddities in your commentary…i’m gonna break this down a little:
-ifixit has already confirmed that CPUs are upgradeable in the 2019 mac pro. if you are a “pro” as described in your comment, this shouldnt be an issue to you.
-frequent new release / upgrade schedules by tech companies is NOT new. cars get new models every year, and cost well north of the $10k you’re complaining about.
-no one says you have to buy a new car every year, same way you dont have to buy a new computer or computer upgrade, every year.
-if you really try to (or for some reason, need to) live on the bleeding edge of computer tech, then even a mac pro isn’t a terribly wise investment knowing that apple’s support for hardware they didnt specifically sell isnt all that high. driver updates arent necessarily going to be flying out from them. in this case, a windows PC is a much more suitable investment as frequent PC upgrades is much easier to handle on that platform. but apple did take some good steps with the recent mac pro.
-overall, you dont seem to be THAT much of a “pro” considering all of these things. certainly a “pro” would be aware that they’re spending a lot of money on a computer that will be “less powerful” compared to a newer model released the year after.
-i bought a 3080 back in october. i had a 3090 in hand but didnt want to drop that kind of cash. the 3080ti just dropped a week ago. should i and every 3080 owner be “piss[ed] off” because nvidia launched more GPUs? especially knowing that Ti variants exist in their product lineup?
your complaint doesnt make sense from the perspective of someone who bought a modular computer from company whose mission is to seemingly release a new version of their different products every 1-2 years depending on which device it is.
the only apple product i own that took longer than this to get an upgrade, is my apple tv 4k.
certainly someone with a “pro” mindset would know better than this…
There’s a lot of pages in this very forums devoted to enumerate the reasons why the trash can design was a failure.
In short, the customers of this product weren’t buying it for the design, but for the performance, and the performance wasn’t there. Apple itself admitted they were wrong and reversed course. You could contemplate the thing in awe thinking “how fast is this thing considering its size”. Well, the competition had uglier and bigger but way more powerful computers available, and regularly updated them.
One of the things than annoyed people about the Trashcan generation of Mac Pro was that it was just left to rot and never got a speed-bump ever. Speed-bumps are healthy!
I can imagine this mac [between the mini and pro] would be quite popular and is the one I would get if it was released.
A precision machined aluminium block sounds like perfection to me. The icing on the cake would be a decent GPU as you say, as that is my number 1 requirement.
This intel mac pro tempted me for a second, then I came back down to earth remembering I vowed to myself no more Intel………
I'm not sure you understand how computers work. A new release doesn't make your existing machine any worse. If it wasn't good enough when you bought it, you shouldn't have bought it, and if you now need more power then this should be a good thing.
The only way I can see you being upset is if you bought this machine purely to flex and are now mad that you don't have the latest stupidly expensive machine anymore.
Yep it was the lack of development and speed bumps. When I was in the market for one, I refused to buy it due to it being so outdated. Shouldn’t happen with the M chips.
Great news - means years more Mac OS support for Intel macs too.
Why not? Intel was releasing new chips every year, Apple just did not use them to update Mac Pro. What makes you think that they are going to start doing it with M chips?
How fast are these new skylake xeons vs the ones found in the 2019mp ?
Is there any need for Apple to come out with new intel based mp models before they are ready with the m chips for the category ?
Is there any need for Apple to come out with new intel based mp models before they are ready with the m chips for the category ?
If Apple does indeed release an updated Intel Mac Pro, that tells me Apple doesn’t yet (or never will) have silicon powerful enough to compete with Intel’s server chips.
I say “or never will” because Apple may opt not to enter that market. They’ve abandoned the server market when they discontinued XServe, and perhaps they plan to leave the high end professional market next so they can focus on higher margin consumer devices.
I say “or never will” because Apple may opt not to enter that market. They’ve abandoned the server market when they discontinued XServe, and perhaps they plan to leave the high end professional market next so they can focus on higher margin consumer devices.
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I think it wasn't just the design that was the problem. It was the philosophy that lead to that design. Not knowing what Apple's GPU strategy is, I can't begin to guess what form factor they are going to target for future Macs. Judging only by the M1 iMac as it is the only redesign on the new architecture, Apple may be pushing all their new Macs into appliance form factors and leaving the Intel Mac Pro in the catalog for those that need it while they mature the performance of Apple Silicon to replace it. The only reason to have a modular from factor is if the components are actually user upgradable and so far there is no indication they will be. Could they be and should they be? Yes, and I don't know.
I don't think the issue is power (depending on your definition of power, I take it to mean processing power). I'm pretty sure they could scale their M1 design up to be a more powerful and power-efficient chip than most Xeons. The thing I think they're still working on is all the other stuff that comes with what a Pro machine should be (expandability, compatibility, etc).
How many monitors can/should this machine be able to drive? How do you expand storage or ram? Can you add additional GPUs? These are the things that make this more of a challenge than any of their other machines.
Nope if windows actually becomes user friendly like macOS then I’d consider it but my general workflow, happiness and sanity is worth the money.
spaces, preview, spotlight, Column file view, defend thumbnails, Automator, system wide shortcuts, sidecar all things that massively speed up my work and just don’t exist in windows.
As for the speed etc you can spend with Dell or HP or other Pro Pc workstations literally $200,000 on a workstation. There is always a bigger fish.
I use my machine for test renders really and actual animations go out to a farm with 4000 GPUs! So any sort of machine wang swinging is utterly pointless. Cloud processing software a where it’s really at.
I bought My Mac Pro in January 2020 for 14k ( I did buy 128gb of ram ) and it paid for itself in 3 weeks. A business machine should be an investment and it completely tax deductible.
Mind if I ask what you do where this machine was able to make you an additional 14k above normal income in just three weeks?
Been waiting for this news. We have four 7,1 MPs in our office and need to add a fifth but I wanted to wait until this week ended. Was curious if we’d see anything around WWDC…does anyone have any sort of insight into the timelines around these sort of developments?
Yes, some of the on-device machine learning for photos uses the ML hardware in the M1.
Minor stuff for now but the disparity will probably increase. I'm hoping for a T3 that can do some of the M1 tricks but I doubt it'll happen.