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References to Intel's Latest Ice Lake SP Processors in Xcode 13 Beta Hint at Forthcoming Mac Pro Update
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Ice Lake SP Xeon chips offer significantly more cores than the previous Cascade Lake chips (up to 40 cores/80 threads, vs. 28/48 in Cascade Lake) and early reviews show them to be about 50% faster single-core performance then the prior generation. The people who buy the Mac Pro (namely big movie production companies) want Xeon chips even though i9 chips are faster for many tasks because they want things like ECC memory, additional PCI-E lanes, support for massive amount of RAM, expandability and repairability.
Adding these features is a very real challenge for Apple to pull off with the M-series SoC design. It makes sense that they’ll introduce an M-series model with more limited capabilities but blazing speed for a broader subset of professionals (graphic designers, photographers, videographers, basically anyone who makes a living in Adobe apps) while maintaining the Intel Pro for a few years for the niche subset of users who really need Xeon-grade power and reliability.
I’m pretty sure Apple announced they’d continue releasing new Intel machines when they unveiled Apple Silicon.
Here’s what I like though— by keeping the Intel version fresh it raises the bar for what the AS version needs to do to make an impression. When they say “this is our fastest Mac Pro ever”, we want it measured against as recent a machine as possible.
Here’s what I like though— by keeping the Intel version fresh it raises the bar for what the AS version needs to do to make an impression. When they say “this is our fastest Mac Pro ever”, we want it measured against as recent a machine as possible.
‘the last line is what I was hinting at. From what I can gather multidirectional performance is appx 18-20% faster than last gen but with higher TDP. Single core maybe fast and PCI gen 4 with 12 extra lanes, 8 channel memory etc is an upgrade for sure, still I don’t see the merit as an end user (I run a lot of app’s that can chew through the cores ) and if I was a current 28 core Xeon user I wouldn’t feel it is an upgrade
and apple will be making it harder for themselves to benchmark convincingly whenever they get around to an m based Mac Pro. One can imagine the m-whatever will compete more favourably with a cascade lake vs an ice lake one.
It's not AS but fine, it's always good to refresh the CPU when there's a similar but better one available.
It does make the last one less valuable the moment it's released. But I don't see why a pro who's making money off the machine would care that much, nor why he'd expect there not to be a new version 2 years after.
because you drink the kool-aid, my dude. Intel still makes fantastic chips.
Apple execs semi-publicly apologized for the trashcan Mac Pro. That's super rare, and afaik they didn't do so for the Magic Mouse.
The issue with the trashcan wasn't just the thermals, it was the lack of expandability. Worse, it was for no good reason. It could've easily had PCIe slots and such, but no. Compounding that issue, they kept the same thing for 6 or whatever years without any updates, offering no good option to pros in 2018 or so. Like, you couldn't upgrade it yourself, and you couldn't even pay the "Apple tax" to get the upgrades out of the box. Seemingly acknowledging that some pros stubbornly held onto older models, Apple surprised us with firmware updates to Mac Pros dating back to 2009 needed to run... I forget, High Sierra?
Now, AS Mac Pro expandability is an open question. If the AS Mac Pro is going to be immutable like the other AS machines, putting aside the obvious debate over that, I agree the trashcan makes sense, but marketing-wise it wouldn't be received well.
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Yes that makes sense.
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Says rather a lot about where Apple are in terms of a true Mac Pro running on Apple Silicon. I’m guessing two years, which is good news for owners of recent Intel Macs and MacBooks.
Looks like the most powerful W-3300 model will have 38 cores, compared to the 40 cores (32P+8E) of the ASi SoC reported to be planned for the Mac Pro (Jade4C Die) so they might be in the general ballpark. And Jade4C Die won't be anywhere near the 270W TDP of the Intel part.
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The Power Mac G5 was updated 8 months before the Intel Mac Pro came out and the Power Mac G4 overlapped the G5 by about 3 or 4 months. It's kind of hard to judge where we are in the transition as apple has often upgraded Macs before putting them out to pasture. This being mostly a processor update (if it even happens) means it's probably not a big deal.
Scrub to 00:37:00 in the keynote where he says the feature that will be available on the M1 Macs.
They should put AMD in the Mac Pro instead of Intel.
One thing to consider is that Intel is probably pushing customers to Ice Lake because they are getting higher chip yields per wafer at 10nm over Cascade Lake at 14nm. This simply may be a side effect of the global component shortage.
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There was a time when Apple updated the spec of its Mac Pro almost annually, the same way it updates its laptops and iDevices. The 2013-2019 gap was an aberration. See https://buyersguide.macrumors.com/#Mac_Pro
And no one is forcing anyone to replace their equipment after a year.
I continue to be amused by the amount of people that consider an intel mac worthless. Again I point to large institutions that rely on very specific software that doesnt run perfectly without intel. I look at schools, banks, corporations, and see the software suites that is tailored to their existing inventory plan. I couldn't even load custom brushes on apple silicon photoshop until just recently. You think a large corporation is just going to take it on face that the software will 'just work'? It's just so silly to me. Tech doesn't go out of date, functionality goes out of date due to tech age. It's semantics but there is a difference. I have a very fast intel iMac that makes me a good portion of my income and I definitely don't think it's worthless because there's an M1 iMac out there.