References to Next-Generation MacBook Pro Models Discovered in macOS 10.12.4 Beta

[Abazigal]

A good computer would have a fast processor, a current GPU and more than 16gb of RAM. That's universally accepted as to what makes a computer GOOD.

Apple has none of that.

By whose definition?

I am using a MacBook Air. It has 4 gb of ram and integrated graphics and it's an ideal laptop for me because it's thin and long and extremely well portable.

By your yardstick, the 21" asus predator laptop with dual 1080 graphics cards would be the best laptop available. But only a few people use it for obvious reasons. It entails too many tradeoffs despite its stellar specs on paper.

As raw specs become less meaningful in terms of differentiating performance, Apple works even harder to make their Macs stand out via non-spec related means, and I feel that is just as meaningful, if not more.

 

[tubeexperience]

It has, and has just been announced in January.

The new MacBook Pro was unveiled in October, in I recall correctly. That's three months.

Quad-core Skylake has been available since early 2016.

Apple could have released MacBook Pro with Skylake in early 2016 then again in early 2017 with Kaby Lake.
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Everyone would be complaining that Macs discharge while sleeping and that they cannot handle 30 days with no charge on sleep mode.

I am pretty sure you are being sarcastic.

 

[iShatMyself]

God damn it. Should I get ready to sell my 2016 15" then? Hopefully they don't change the form factor so I don't have to buy a new case.

 

[Appleaker]

Apple hasn't increased the prices on the 15" model. They only removed the entry-level iGPU-only model. The cheapest 2015 15" MBP with dGPU had a 2.5 GHz processor & 256 GB SSD and was sold for $2500. The cheapest 2016 15" MBP with dGPU has a 2.6 GHz processor & 256 GB SSD and is sold for $2400. Upgrades to 512 GB cost $200 with both the 2015 and 2016 models. Upgrades to the fastest CPU cost $200 in the 2015 (dGPU) model, and $300 in the 2016 (dGPU) model, equalising the $100 in the base price.

No, they've still increased the prices but not by as much as people think. As you say, there is no cheaper iGPU option for the 15", but also the storage has increased for the 13".
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Are you implying that Apple HASN'T improved the 2016 MBP over the 2015?

If so, you need to do some more research.

What are you talking about?
No, i'm not implying that.
I am talking in regards to performance relative to competing notebooks.
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Nope. GTX 1050 laptop version has a TDP of 50W, and is roughly 20% better than the Radeon Pro 460 in the current MBP. Radeon Pro 460 has the TDP of 35W.

I'm not sure you know how it works but a lower TDP generally means better thermals, as I said the 460 is currently better than any 1000-series card.

 

[bladerunner2000]

As raw specs become less meaningful in terms of differentiating performance, Apple works even harder to make their Macs stand out via non-spec related means, and I feel that is just as meaningful, if not more.

Except that's false. Because a whole slew of Mac Pro users gave Apple the finger and built hackintoshes instead. The same goes for their locked down, soldered, non-upgradeable, disposable, overpriced and outdated laptops.

MacBooks are terrible value for the money.

 

[anchoricex]

I just want to know if the 32gb desktop memory rumors are true. If apples going for a form fitting battery then idk where they're gonna stuff ram that's twice as large. Also, isn't desktop memory pretty hungry consumption-wise?

 

[MrUNIMOG]

A good computer would have a fast processor, a current GPU and more than 16gb of RAM. That's universally accepted as to what makes a computer GOOD.

Apple has none of that.

What exactly does the 15" MBP have if not "a fast processor" and "a current GPU"?
And regarding more than 16 GB RAM: Mac Pro or iMac.

You didn't say it had to be all in one device, did you

On a side note: Your definition of what makes "a good computer" is all but universal...

 

[Pupi]

Except that's false. Because a whole slew of Mac Pro users gave Apple the finger and built hackintoshes instead. The same goes for their locked down, soldered, non-upgradeable, disposable, overpriced and outdated laptops.

MacBooks are terrible value for the money.

Except the market largely disagrees and has been rewarding Apple handsomely for their decisions.

 

[Arthur123]

If you look around a little at spec-peered machines, you will find the 2016 MBPs really aren't out of line with most major brands.

Buy from their refurbished store and you will save a bundle. The refurbished are really new MAC's that are fully covered under warranty. Plus you can also buy Applecare. Great deal.

 

[MrUNIMOG]

Quad-core Skylake has been available since early 2016.

Apple could have released MacBook Pro with Skylake in early 2016 then again in early 2017 with Kaby Lake.

They could have. They haven't, and probably had good reason not to. Perhaps the Touch Bar wasn't ready, perhaps AMDs Radeon Pro chips, perhaps the manufacturing process for the display hinge... Does it matter? No.

So what were you getting at again?

 

[Arthur123]

Kaby is marginally faster. It's barely noticeable. It's the first time intel failed to follow tic toc.

What if the new PC's add touch tech to Mac OS, removable screen, closer integration with iOS and then it's a game changer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[manu chao]

There was a time when the $1999 model included a dGPU.

Only in the pre-retina, pre-SSD days (15" MBP):

• retina mid 2015: $1999 Intel Iris Pro 5200 (MacBookPro11,4), 256 GB SSD
• retina mid 2014: $1999 Intel Iris Pro 5200 (2.2 GHz), 256 GB SSD
• retina late 2013: $1999 Intel Iris Pro 5200 (2.0 GHz), 256 GB SSD
• retina mid 2012/early 2013: $2199 NVIDIA GeForce GT 650M (2.4 GHz), 256 GB SSD
• mid 2012: $1799 NVIDIA GeForce GT 650M, 500 GB HDD
• late 2011: $1799 AMD Radeon HD 6750M, 500 GB HDD
• early 2011: $1799 AMD Radeon HD 6490M, 500 GB HDD
• mid 2010: $1799 NVIDIA GeForce GT 330M, 320 GB HDD
• mid 2009: $1999 NVIDIA GeForce 9600M GT, 320 GB HDD
• late 2008: $1999 NVIDIA GeForce 9600M GT, 250 GB HDD
• early 2008: $1999 NVIDIA GeForce 8600M GT, 200 GB HDD
• mid 2007: $1999 NVIDIA GeForce 8600M GT, 120 GB HDD

 

[bladerunner2000]

Except the market largely disagrees and has been rewarding Apple handsomely for their decisions.

Because Apple's effectively locked them in. Hard to make the switch to Windows after so many years of being invested in OS X. Would you, even if the alternate was superior?
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What exactly does the 15" MBP have if not "a fast processor" and "a current GPU"?
And regarding more than 16 GB RAM: Mac Pro or iMac.

You didn't say it had to be all in one device, did you

On a side note: Your definition of what makes "a good computer" is all but universal...

That really applies to people who aren't tech savvy. We know what makes a computer good. It is not any of the current offerings from Apple.

 

[tubeexperience]

They could have. They haven't, and probably had good reason not to. Perhaps the Touch Bar wasn't ready, perhaps AMDs Radeon Pro chips, perhaps the manufacturing process for the display hinge... Does it matter? No.

So what were you getting at again?

As I said before, the reason that the MacBook Pro isn't using the latest processors is because of Apple, not because of Intel.
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Only in the pre-retina, pre-SSD days (15" MBP):

• retina mid 2015: $1999 Intel Iris Pro 5200 (MacBookPro11,4), 256 GB SSD
• retina mid 2014: $1999 Intel Iris Pro 5200 (2.2 GHz), 256 GB SSD
• retina late 2013: $1999 Intel Iris Pro 5200 (2.0 GHz), 256 GB SSD
• retina mid 2012/early 2013: $2199 NVIDIA GeForce GT 650M (2.4 GHz), 256 GB SSD
• mid 2012: $1799 NVIDIA GeForce GT 650M, 500 GB HDD
• late 2011: $1799 AMD Radeon HD 6750M, 500 GB HDD
• early 2011: $1799 AMD Radeon HD 6490M, 500 GB HDD
• mid 2010: $1799 NVIDIA GeForce GT 330M, 320 GB HDD
• mid 2009: $1999 NVIDIA GeForce 9600M GT, 320 GB HDD
• late 2008: $1999 NVIDIA GeForce 9600M GT, 250 GB HDD
• early 2008: $1999 NVIDIA GeForce 8600M GT, 200 GB HDD
• mid 2007: $1999 NVIDIA GeForce 8600M GT, 120 GB HDD

It has been five years.

The cost of the display and SSD have drop significantly sine then.

 

[skinskinskin]

Exciting news! I love my late 2016 15" MBP with Touch Bar, but I'll definitely upgrade to Kaby Lake the moment it is available.

I have the 13'' without Touch Bar. I've never upgraded so quickly before; any general idea on how much out of pocket I would have to pay for the similar 2017 model that they may release?

 

[Greymacuser]

Bring back the SD card slot!

Or any port for that matter. The last MacBook was a flaming joke.

 

[manu chao]

It has been five years.

The cost of the display and SSD have dropped significantly sine then.

And the cost of the 15" MBP with dGPU has dropped since then. It cost $2800 in 2012, $2600 in 2013, $2500 in 2014 & 2015, and $2400 in 2016 (all models with 256 GB SSD).

 

[Greymacuser]

By whose definition?

I am using a MacBook Air. It has 4 gb of ram and integrated graphics and it's an ideal laptop for me because it's thin and long and extremely well portable.

By your yardstick, the 21" asus predator laptop with dual 1080 graphics cards would be the best laptop available. But only a few people use it for obvious reasons. It entails too many tradeoffs despite its stellar specs on paper.

As raw specs become less meaningful in terms of differentiating performance, Apple works even harder to make their Macs stand out via non-spec related means, and I feel that is just as meaningful, if not more.

Key words, "For YOU."
For a professional Apple tech has become overpriced, woefully weak and inadequate.

 

[MrUNIMOG]

That really applies to people who aren't tech savvy. We know what makes a computer good. It is not any of the current offerings from Apple.

That does not have the slightest to do with tech savvyness.

To me, a "good computer" defines itself just as much by raw graphics and CPU power as it does by an outstanding display (not only in resolution), superiorly fast storage, power consumption, heat and noise emission, dimensions and weight, unparalleled build quality, in case of mobile computers also battery life. And that's just an excerpt of the many things that make a good computer.

Most of these aspects the latest MacBook Pro excels at.
Which by my definition makes it one of the best computers available today and certainly the best notebook.

 

[Naimfan]

And the cost of the 15" MBP with dGPU has dropped since then. It cost $2800 in 2012, $2600 in 2013, $2500 in 2014 & 2015, and $2400 in 2016 (all models with 256 GB SSD).

Ahem.

The 2014 and 2015 models with dGPU had 16 GB RAM and 512 GB SSD for $2499.

The base 15" rMBP from 2012 and 2013 had the 650m GT; they did not start at $2800 or $2600.

 

[DanielDD]

I am pretty sure you are being sarcastic.

Satire, to be more precise. Some users go the extra mile trying to find the smallest issue with Apple devices.

 

[tubeexperience]

And the cost of the 15" MBP with dGPU has dropped since then. It cost $2800 in 2012, $2600 in 2013, $2500 in 2014 & 2015, and $2400 in 2016 (all models with 256 GB SSD).

It was $2200 in 2012 for the 15" MBP with dGPU (256 GB SSD) if you don't remember.

 

[bladerunner2000]

That does not have the slightest to do with tech savvyness.

To me, a "good computer" defines itself just as much by raw graphics and CPU power as it does by an outstanding display (not only in resolution), superiorly fast storage, power consumption, heat and noise emission, dimensions and weight, unparalleled build quality, in case of mobile computers also battery life. And that's just an excerpt of the many things that make a good computer.

Most of these aspects the latest MacBook Pro excels at.
Which by my definition makes it one of the best computers available today and certainly the best notebook.

Too bad the three most important components are trash. So, it's definitely NOT the best notebook. Maybe for YOU though, it is.

 

[smoking monkey]

This 2016 tbMBP is just like the rMBP of 2012. There were some problems and it was over priced. Fast forward 12 months to 24 months to the next two releases and you'll find stonking machines.

I'm assuming all the problems with this late 2016 release will be fixed with the late 2017 release. Doesn't really help 2016 buyers, but it's great for the rest of us.

 

[Blue Sun]

God damn it. Should I get ready to sell my 2016 15" then? Hopefully they don't change the form factor so I don't have to buy a new case.

The chassis will remain as it is for years. Don't sweat it.