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What the difference at this point in these cpus? Is there a REAL world difference?

No. Used to be every couple of years a new computer would be noticeable in opening apps like Word or Photoshop. Now, six and eight year old computers show little loss in speed (for 90% of things we do - professional software excluded) compared to new computers.
 
And the magsafe.
hmm. magsafe is the only problematic part of my laptops. it's cool for a while then starts getting all finicky. granted, this is in a faster paced environment with multiple users/computers using the plugs but still, magsafe isn't really too reliable.
welcoming the change to usb-c, personally.
 
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Yes, but it's the 15W Kaby Lake processor that ships in large volumes. Apple uses the 28W version in the MacBook Pros. They and Intel itself (in their NUC products) are about the only ones in the industry who use that version, which has better graphics performance. In theory Apple could have shipped the nTB MacBook Pro with the Kaby Lake, but I'm guessing that they wanted it on the same generation as the TB models.

If they'd done that, they'd have had to ship the non Touch Bar Model with HD 620 Graphics, which would've had a lot of people (rightfully) complain about graphics performance.
This way, with Skylake and Iris 540, graphics performance is close to the Touch Bar Model with Iris 550.
 
This is what happens when you're at the mercy of Intel.

Imagine if they created their own chips for Macs? Then you'd get your updates (at least once a year).
Let’s just stop this. Apple are not at the mercy of intel. If they were the only place to get processors possibly. But it’s Apples fault the machines aren't running faster processors not Intels.
 
If this rumor it`s true, I`ll go for it... 16BG RAM was not enough.

I also expect that they put an AMD Vega GPU with 6GB VRAM... That would transform this machine, in an ultimate mobile workstation.

If they put a VEGA GPU that also means that yo can use an external thunderbolt 3 GPU for really hardcore apps
 
So they're keeping Iris for dual-core chips but abandoning it for quad-core?

I guess they figure most (all?) dual-core laptops don't use discreet graphics but most (now all?) quad-core ones do?

I can kind of understand this reasoning, but when I heard they chose non-Iris chips for the 15" I thought it might reduce UI smoothness/responsiveness when graphics switching is enabled and if so that's a poorer experience and outcome for the user. The 15" rMBP has a lot of pixels to push!

I don't think that will be an issue, since the HD 530 ist more than twice as powerful compared to the HD 4000 in the very first Retina MBP, which had the exact same amount of pixels to push.
The HD 530 also is only 30 % less powerful than the previous MBP's Iris Pro 5200.
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This statement doesn't get true regardless of how many times it is repeated.
Apple charges premium prices for mediocre hardware.
Now that is a statement repeated over and over again, which still doesn't hold much truth...
 
You mean you want Apple to make a good computer?

Not going to happen.

They used to.
Maybe history will repeat itself?

I had a chance to evaluate the MBP with the touch bar.

The display quality is excellent and feel and look of the machine are okay also.
The minute size and weight decrease is not noticeable (or was ever necessary)

Then come the slew of known negatives:

touch bar uninteresting for those who use MBP in clam shell mode.
(for my weary old eyes too small. Maybe should be mirrored above the dock on screen?)

price unrealistic for 16GB 512GB
at that price should be 32 GB 1TB with a 2 TB option and extra graphics chip

Obviously baby lake etc, would be an improvement.

I can get past the dongles with an OWC dock (btw: Not without problems either)

Battery issues are hopefully solved.

For now I have a 2014 and 2015 MBP which will hold me over for a few years until the dust settles.
 
Let’s just stop this. Apple are not at the mercy of intel. If they were the only place to get processors possibly. But it’s Apples fault the machines aren't running faster processors not Intels.

There are both faster and at least as efficient x86_64 processors as Intel's available? I am an AMD fan, however, until Ryzen is released, AMD has nothing to offer for the MBP - Jaguar-based cores don't suffice :). I've read a rumour about Apple-specific Intel CPU + AMD GPU MCM chip, that sounds really interesting.
 
Can't be bothered. I'm very happy with my 13" touchbar. With my usage, this new upgrade is very minor. In comparison with my MBP 2011, I'll probably be a happy chappy for the next 6 years. Now try that with a Windows machine. I don't edit video, I do edit raw pics in, run SPSS on large datasets and it's fast enough as it is. Battery life is fine too. And as I do not live in a desert, there's always a wall socket. Never needed one during a normal working day though. 10 US "dongle" makes all the connections and a 10$ USB -> USB-C makes sure I can connect to anything.
 
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Ggaaaahhh.

Love the rumor about another soonish-ish ... ish update, but I was about ready to order a specced out 15". Can I wait long enough to get more specific details on the next model? o_O Or get this one now and sell it to get whatever rev-bump happens later this year? Decisions, decisions.
 
Man you're a real simpleton. Firstly you can't spell the word 'amateur', which I'm sure you meant in your attempt to be witty, and secondly, if you're worried so much about specs, move over to Windows. We'll see how that one works out for you :)

Considering you can build a computer for about 1/4th the price of a Mac Pro and still run circles around it... Windows sounds pretty awesome.

How is old, slow and overpriced hardware working out for you? :)
 
You mean you want Apple to make a good computer?

Not going to happen.

Apple is.

The conflict here is that their definition of what a "good computer" entails may not be the same as what you think a "good computer" ought to be.

But that doesn't mean Apple isn't invested in making great Macs.
 
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Apple is.

The conflict here is that their definition of what a "good computer" entails may not be the same as what you think a "good computer" ought to be.

But that doesn't mean Apple isn't invested in making great Macs.

A good computer would have a fast processor, a current GPU and more than 16gb of RAM. That's universally accepted as to what makes a computer GOOD.

Apple has none of that.
 
Apple hasn't increased the prices on the 15" model. They only removed the entry-level iGPU-only model. The cheapest 2015 15" MBP with dGPU had a 2.5 GHz processor & 256 GB SSD and was sold for $2500. The cheapest 2016 15" MBP with dGPU has a 2.6 GHz processor & 256 GB SSD and is sold for $2400. Upgrades to 512 GB cost $200 with both the 2015 and 2016 models. Upgrades to the fastest CPU cost $200 in the 2015 (dGPU) model, and $300 in the 2016 (dGPU) model, equalising the $100 in the base price.

There was a time when the $1999 model included a dGPU.
 
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