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Remeber that the "S" iphones are only minor updates
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Because custom silicon just rains from the sky right?
I feel like people here think that engineering just happens naturally :roll eyes:
These were huge undertakings with hugely impressive results. Anyone can buy chips off the shelf, it's another to break from industry norms and custom make chips to suite the experience you're looking for.
Exactly.
I never understand why the previous gen owners love to put down the new model like it's not that big of a jump. Guess the internet just lets people release their inner troll
Obviously if its not that big of a jump from your current handset then this update wasn't meant for you.
For most normal customers who are upgrading every two years (4s -> 5s) the jump is massive.
Exactly.
I never understand why the previous gen owners love to put down the new model like it's not that big of a jump. Obviously if its not that big of a jump then it wasn't meant for you
For most normal customers who are upgrading every two years (4s -> 5s) the jump is massive.
Very true. I have the 5, and won't be upgrading. However, my wife is still running the 4, and it's getting a bit slow, even after a wipe/reinstall. It's just been used, and its time. The jump from the 4 to the 5s is dramatic. She'll get at least 3 years out of it. so its worth it.
Quicker load times will always be nice, but when most of my apps load in a couple of seconds anyway, I'm not going to buy a new phone so they load a second or so faster. Hardly any of my apps take very long to load and, those that do, I'd say it's very unlikely that it's the processor that's the bottleneck.
For example, The Simpsons: Tapped Out takes a while to load and I'm sure it would be a little faster on the 5S, but the main reason it takes so long to load is because it needs to login over the internet etc.
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64 bit is modest? - yes. Won't really make a lot of difference to the end user.
Touch ID is modest? - yes. It's convenient, but doesn't vastly improve the phone in any way. It simply improves the unlocking and password-entry features.
M7 Coprocessor - this can already be done using the various sensors anyway. Apple have just made it easier and improved battery life.
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I can't speak for everyone else but I'm talking about updates to the end-user experience rather than updates in terms of engineering.
It is unlikely that the 5S experience will be much different to the 5 experience.
It's twice as fast, but iOS7 causes delays with animations anyway so it's not like the OS will run much, if any, faster.
Touch ID is cool and a welcome improvement, but it's not going to make a night and day difference to the experience.
M7 co processor is more of a feature for developers than the end user, if my understanding is correct. Given that devs have already been able to access sensors themselves anyway, it seems it has just been made easier by Apple providing a new hardware element to simplify the process.
In some ways this is like when they brought out Time Machine for OS X. For people who were already backing up their files it was convenient but not a huge feature. But was a big change for the 50% or 90% of people who didn't back up their files.
Similarly Touch ID is big for people who don't use a pass code because it's too inconvenient. For those who already do it doesn't enhance security (though you may shorten your lock time) but makes it more convenient.
I agree with that.
Although I do think fingerprint security is an enhancement even when you already use a passcode. People can watch you enter your passcode and then get into your phone, but they can't do the same by watching you enter your fingerprint
I agree with that.
Although I do think fingerprint security is an enhancement even when you already use a passcode. People can watch you enter your passcode and then get into your phone, but they can't do the same by watching you enter your fingerprint
I can agree with that.
That you can use Touch ID to buy things on iTunes (and maybe other stores in the future) indicates Apple is going to use it to make buying easier, and thus you will spend more money with them.
Someone else in another thread suggested that they extend iCloud keychain to support apps, and allow you to login to various apps and websites using your fingerprint.
I LOVE this idea. It would mean you could safely login in public places like on a bus or something without worrying about people looking over your shoulder
No matter what Apple does it won't please everyone. The 5S is not the 6. The 6 will probably have some "OCD-gate" surrounding it anyway. I'll bet a dollar that if you peruse the forums after the launch of the 5S there will be some "issue" that people will be up in arms about. It is what it is.
It'll sell millions and millions. It will be top notch in quality. It will top customer satisfaction. People will debate whether it's worth trading in for 6 when the 6 launches. It will make fingerprint sensors standard equipment on high end smartphones. It will single-phonedly dominate the sales of any other single phone on the market, including it's red-headed step sister (I love red-heads, don't get me wrong... mega hot, just a figure of speech) the 5C.
Take that to the bank. It's not rocket science to make every single one of those assumptions.
On a side note, anyone else worry that come launch day they'll have PLENTY of 5C's, but only a handful of 5S's? I am. So much so that while I would normally pay someone to wait in line, I think I'm just ordering at 1201 and letting the shipment come when it may.
Although if I get a ship date weeks out, it may make going around town frantically somewhat appealling.
It's one of the few things I look forward to on a yearly basis, may as well enjoy every day of it
It'll sell millions and millions. It will be top notch in quality. It will top customer satisfaction. People will debate whether it's worth trading in for 6 when the 6 launches. It will make fingerprint sensors standard equipment on high end smartphones. It will single-phonedly dominate the sales of any other single phone on the market, including it's red-headed step sister (I love red-heads, don't get me wrong... mega hot, just a figure of speech
) the 5C.Take that to the bank. It's not rocket science to make every single one of those assumptions.
On a side note, anyone else worry that come launch day they'll have PLENTY of 5C's, but only a handful of 5S's? I am. So much so that while I would normally pay someone to wait in line, I think I'm just ordering at 1201 and letting the shipment come when it may.
Although if I get a ship date weeks out, it may make going around town frantically somewhat appealling.
It's one of the few things I look forward to on a yearly basis, may as well enjoy every day of it
Really? This "argument" seems to be brought up over and over by those that suddenly feel their "last year" model is now insignificant.
The "S" upgrades have all (3GS, 4S, 5S) had the biggest bump in processor performance.
The 3GS to 4 upgrade was minor (the smallest performance bump in a CPU upgrade). The 4S to 5 upgrade was decent, but still not as big as the change from any older phone to newer "S" model.
"S" models have massive upgrades and improvements, way more than the non-S versions.
The "S" upgrades have all (3GS, 4S, 5S) had the biggest bump in processor performance.
The 3GS to 4 upgrade was minor (the smallest performance bump in a CPU upgrade). The 4S to 5 upgrade was decent, but still not as big as the change from any older phone to newer "S" model.
"S" models have massive upgrades and improvements, way more than the non-S versions.
The 5 is twice as fast as the 4S, and the 5S is twice as fast as the 5, according to Apple. That's the exact same jump, no? (in percentage - not raw performance)
Yes, according to Apple...
4S is twice as fast as 4, 5 is twice as fast as 4S, 5S is twice as fast as 5.
Of course that's twice as fast on paper, actual use changes things.
The S is obviously the better of the two.
The reason why the 4 and the 5 (and next year the 6) are looked at so highly, is because they have a body redesign.
I'm having a dilemma, the 4S was my first iPhone and I'm not sure if I want to stay on the S cycle, so I might wait for 6... I'm so undecided.
Still want a larger screen...
At this point I think my iPhone 4 can still survive one year. Rather get the iPad Mini Retina.
At this point I think my iPhone 4 can still survive one year. Rather get the iPad Mini Retina.
I wouldn't call the 5S a huge update, but it's a little bigger than "minor".
It has a security feature that no other handset has managed to implement reliably enough for mass acceptance, and has the potential to actually change that.
It has a 64 bit processor which is essentially preparing iPhone and iOS for future hardware leaps.
Granted the camera improvements are fairly tame, but considering the iPhone 5 camera was already a cut above most of the competition, it only serves to maintain their lead.
The M7 is an interesting addition so I'm not sure where to put that.
And considering the computing power of the A7 is apparently twice as powerful as the A6, which was already quite strong, that seems like a considerable jump also.
The Galaxy S4 technically has 8 cores, but since it can only use 4 at a time it's nowhere near "twice as powerful" as the S3. It takes quite a feat to make that kind of a leap in one generation.
I'm quite impressed with the 5S, but I certainly think the biggest improvements will go unappreciated by the average consumer.
It has a security feature that no other handset has managed to implement reliably enough for mass acceptance, and has the potential to actually change that.
It has a 64 bit processor which is essentially preparing iPhone and iOS for future hardware leaps.
Granted the camera improvements are fairly tame, but considering the iPhone 5 camera was already a cut above most of the competition, it only serves to maintain their lead.
The M7 is an interesting addition so I'm not sure where to put that.
And considering the computing power of the A7 is apparently twice as powerful as the A6, which was already quite strong, that seems like a considerable jump also.
The Galaxy S4 technically has 8 cores, but since it can only use 4 at a time it's nowhere near "twice as powerful" as the S3. It takes quite a feat to make that kind of a leap in one generation.
I'm quite impressed with the 5S, but I certainly think the biggest improvements will go unappreciated by the average consumer.
Personally I could care less which one is more "powerful" on paper.
What I care about is which one gives me the best experience. That would be the iPhone, due to my personal preferences and it's integration with Apple services like iCloud, iMessage, etc.
The S4 is a dissapointment, laggy and ****. Iphone 5 is much smoother. So, the iphone 5s should be more powerful than the S4.
The S4 has plenty of power underneath the hood, but Android & Touch Wiz isn't nearly optimised enough to match iOS in efficiency. I think the 5S could easily benchmark higher than the S4.
And some people show a lack of understanding for technology.
64-bit means absolutely nothing right now to the end user and won't for at least a couple years in the mobile sector.
I would say that the biggest update here is the update to a 64bit CPU. This I wouldn't even call 'minor', as it is a major thing.
Keep in mind that this may mean that IOS7 comes out as a 64bit OS with 32bit compatibility. This means 64bit apps, which we already know, but this also means, as already mentioned, the ability for newer, faster hardware.
The 32bit memory limit that XP and the 32bit versions of Vista and Windows 7 have isn't just an OS limitation; it's an OS limitation. Jumping to 64bit completely kills that problem, especially with the 4GB memory limit that 32bit OSes have. This gets you the ability to have more RAM in the phone.
With the architecture being nearly the same between the two, this brings in the ability to have the same code base for IOS apps that Mac apps have. That's some huge cross-compatibility. In short iOS X; compatibility and portability from desktop to mobile to AppleTV. That is HUGE. M$ can't do that, nor Google.
Especially Google; Android devices are still 32bit, as well as their OS, so they are stuck with 32bit apps, 32bit OS, and the 4GB RAM limitation.
So sometimes the biggest improvements are the ones you can't see.
BL.
Keep in mind that this may mean that IOS7 comes out as a 64bit OS with 32bit compatibility. This means 64bit apps, which we already know, but this also means, as already mentioned, the ability for newer, faster hardware.
The 32bit memory limit that XP and the 32bit versions of Vista and Windows 7 have isn't just an OS limitation; it's an OS limitation. Jumping to 64bit completely kills that problem, especially with the 4GB memory limit that 32bit OSes have. This gets you the ability to have more RAM in the phone.
With the architecture being nearly the same between the two, this brings in the ability to have the same code base for IOS apps that Mac apps have. That's some huge cross-compatibility. In short iOS X; compatibility and portability from desktop to mobile to AppleTV. That is HUGE. M$ can't do that, nor Google.
Especially Google; Android devices are still 32bit, as well as their OS, so they are stuck with 32bit apps, 32bit OS, and the 4GB RAM limitation.
So sometimes the biggest improvements are the ones you can't see.
BL.