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This is a good question.

Presumably the new lightning to audio connector (especially @ $9) is just a pass through of analog audio signal off the lightning jack.
It is hard to find specs for this, Apple's spec sheets used to be much more complete.

Anyone know if lightning passes analog audio on detection? If so, I would assume that's not a new feature.

I'm guessing:
1) Any analog headphones will work with the new adapter.
2) The new lightning earpods will work with any lightning port shipped so far.
Lightning has not passed analogue audio in the past. That's why we needed those expensive and bulky lightning to 30-pin adapters, because they needed to convert the digital signal coming from lightning to an analogue signal the 30-pin cable could accept. Given the size and price of this new adapter, it seems apparent they have reversed this design decision, and lighting is now passing analogue audio when necessary. Convenient after they sold a few tens of million of those old adapters at an inflated price...
Today's keynote slide describing the Lightning connector clearly says "digital audio".
 
So, even if the Samsungs ALL turn away from 3.5mm, the Apple crowd and the non-Apple crowd will need adapters, splitters, etc to replicate the ease at which 3.5mm works today... for years and years to come.

No way around that no matter how you personally feel about this matter. It's just how it will be. Whether you are an Apple person or a Samsung person or a Sony person, etc, to match the easy "just works" ubiquity you already have today means needing to lug along a few adapters & splitters... or a few varieties of wires... or a wire with multiple kinds of terminators at one end for probably the next 5-10 years.
Kudos you've expressed it well.

Several of the posts here in the forums have praised Apple for going wireless and all digital... they're either dreamers or in denial. For all the marketing hype and posturing, they have a long ways to go to become wireless.
 
I'm honestly not understanding the frustration I see regarding Apple removing the 3.5mm headphone jack. The lightning cable has audio transmitting capabilities. If you want to still use your old 3.5mm headphones, the iPhone 7 comes with an adapter. I myself have been using the 3.5mm jack for many years since walkman cassette tape players, but have been using wireless bluetooth earphones for nearly a year now and honestly much rather wireless earphones for on the go or even lounging with my iPhone. So can someone explain why the hate and what exactly we are really loosing with this loss of 3.5mm jack in favor of lightning and wireless options ?
 
I'm pretty happy with this. Technology needs to advance and Apple got it going. Look at it this way guys, do you still want to carry that CD Player when we can store MP3's on our phones? Apple is God
Agreed. In 2 years almost no phones will have headphone jacks.
 
And Apple will have commercials with people dancing around and enjoying their wireless life. Non-issue.
Then Samsung will come back with a counter commercial to that where the Samsung users is still dancing around and enjoying their wired headphones when all of the iPhone users are out of power on their wireless AirPods struggling to listen to musics, because they can't continue to listen to musics while charging their phones.

Believe me on this. Samsung will tear Apple apart on those commercials.
 
Samsung doesn't have the same internals as Apple. Let's not compare apples to oranges. The Haptic Engine should be a clue, combined with other subtle design changes that the jack had to go. They gave you an adapter. Stop whining already.
 
Then Samsung will come back with a counter commercial to that where the Samsung users is still dancing around and enjoying their wired headphones when all of the iPhone users are out of power on their wireless AirPods struggling to listen to musics, because they can't continue to listen to musics while charging their phones.

Believe me on this. Samsung will tear Apple apart on those commercials.

Really? Because the adapter that is included makes those 3.5mm jack headphones obsolete? Think before you speak. Didn't your mother ever tell you that?
 
The poster you quoted is the uk, where wearing headphones while driving is not illegal.
It can be taken into account for a possible driving without due care prosecution if driving warrants it (say, if for example, it resulted in an accident) but at the present time it is not illegal.

Guys, I'm in Germany and I'm not driving with headphones on. I connect the 3.5mm jack of the phone to the aux in on my car stereo. That's definitely legal. And I can charge at the same time :)
 
Then Samsung will come back with a counter commercial to that where the Samsung users is still dancing around and enjoying their wired headphones when all of the iPhone users are out of power on their wireless AirPods struggling to listen to musics, because they can't continue to listen to musics while charging their phones.

Believe me on this. Samsung will tear Apple apart on those commercials.
Well Samsung and the note 7 seems to leave the world a lot of ammunition. They might want to be careful about "tearing" any product apart.
 
I hope this new iPhone will flop. Then they would realise it was a mistake to remove it. I'll be fine with my SE for a couple of years but after that I guess I'll have to get a Samsung or whatever still has a headphone jack.

Everyone is moving away from it eventually. Have fun with a foam cup and a string to call.
 
Do we know for a fact that the DAC is in the adapter? I thought the lightning port could pass analog audio?
Phil's slide said "digital audio".
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Really? Because the adapter that is included makes those 3.5mm jack headphones obsolete? Think before you speak. Didn't your mother ever tell you that?
You still can't charge your iPhone 7 while listening to musics. So either you have to listen to musics and let the phone battery die out and then charge your phone again. Or you have to listen to musics via the AirPods that will only lasts you for 5 hours (at moderate volume and not at max) before you have to stop the music listening to charge them.

With a 3.5mm minijack. I can listen to musics or whatever forever as i can charge my phone while i listens to musics.

Seems like the iPhone 7 users will be more 'wall huggers' than it ever has been before.
 
Guys, I'm in Germany and I'm not driving with headphones on. I connect the 3.5mm jack of the phone to the aux in on my car stereo. That's definitely legal. And I can charge at the same time :)

Yes but this is about improving upon that.:rolleyes:

It reminds me of the old Indian ways joke. Here's a good version...

The old Cherokee chief sat in his reservation hut, smoking the ceremonial pipe, eyeing the two US government officials sent to interview him.

"Chief Two Eagles," one official began, "you have observed the white man for many generations, you have seen his wars and his products, you have seen all his progress, and all his problems."

The chief nodded. The official continued, "Considering recent events, in Your opinion, where has the white man gone wrong?"

The chief stared at the government officials for over a minute, and then calmly replied. "When white man found the land, Indians were running it:

* No taxes.
* No debt.
* Plenty buffalo
* Plenty beaver
* Women did all the work
* Medicine man free
* Indian men hunted and fished all the time."

The chief smiled, and added quietly, "White man dumb enough to think he could improve system like that."
 
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Everyone is moving away from it eventually. Have fun with a foam cup and a string to call.

Bluetooth headsets still sound a lot worse then regular ones and cost tons more. This move is akin to apple putting an lcd in their iMac G3 when they were much poorer quality
 
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I believe they want to get people use to it now . In my opinion the problem lies on future iPhone designs .
 
And Apple will have commercials with people dancing around and enjoying their wireless life. Non-issue.

This is exactly the point here, which you don't seem to understand. Getting rid of the headphone jack didn't suddenly make wireless headphones possible. Samsung can do wireless listening just as well as Apple, but now Apple has problems with quality wired headphones and still doesn't have wireless charging. Samsung can do 100% wireless.

headphone choice and wireless charging are 2 pretty big things that other companies clearly do better than Apple and they will be selling points.
 
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