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You're completely wrong. "It's a tired old low-quality and lazy means of getting audio"? What are you waffling about here exactly? It isn't used in home theatre because the 3.5mm jack is STEREO - 2-channel. It is the highest quality because it's hard wired, as soon as you start transmitting wirelessly you compromise the signal. It's not outdated tech - it's current tech, just because it's old it doesn't make it wrong. Bluetooth is fine and is newer, it's not "better" sounding and never will be though, while it gives you freedom of movement it ties you to having to charge so it's not a perfect solution.
You know you can use the lighting connector right? Potentially better sound (up to the headphones themselves) from an infinitely more versatile connector that takes up less room and is already there anyway. Maybe they should have used the jack for all that instead of installing the lightning. Oh, that's right, the jack couldn't do it because it's antiquated.
 
Wow. So many pathetic people wanting to stick with a 100 year old relic technology.

Get. Over. It.

There's a reason why we have decent phones and laptops these days. They cut out what isn't needed. Here's 2005 vs 2015 laptops. Even then, the 3.5mm jack should have been a Lightning connector.

They've provided 3 alternatives - yet you all are whining like Neanderthals not wanting to leave the Stone Age. Good luck evolving.

How's your hover car going?

Sometimes when it ain't broke, no need to replace it..... Jsut like the wheels on your car.... Though I'm sure apple will create proprietary wheels on their car and people on here will be calling those using non apple wheels stuck in the Stone Age...... Both will perform identically .

Short summary: do you realise nothing has changed? You just replaced the standard 3.5mm with a proprietary connector.... It's like saying Sony memory cards were superior to SD cards.... Same crap, different shape.
 
Sorry if this has already been mentioned (didn't want to read through every single page) but there is still the issue of having only 1 port. Therefore you can no longer plug your phone into a power point and have your headphones plugged in at the same time, which you might do if you're say sitting at work or on a plane or on a long distance bus. Ultimately you would need an adaptor that allows both the charging cable and the headphones to connect to the lightning port at the same time. The other option is to use an existing pair of Bluetooth headphones or purchase the new AirPods. But then for those people who prefer wired over using Bluetooth then what is their option?
As this is the way forward then I guess there are going to have to be adaptors made available to allow charging and listening at the same time.
I really like the Jet Black iPhone but might hold off until I can get hold of said adaptor.

Hi
Yep has been mentioned once or twice! The Y adapter I recon are been made as I type. The will be a big market I'll be getting one too, hopefully for under £15 /$15
cheers
 
Wow. So many pathetic people wanting to stick with a 100 year old relic technology.

Get. Over. It.

There's a reason why we have decent phones and laptops these days. They cut out what isn't needed. Here's 2005 vs 2015 laptops. Even then, the 3.5mm jack should have been a Lightning connector.

They've provided 3 alternatives - yet you all are whining like Neanderthals not wanting to leave the Stone Age. Good luck evolving.

I hope you don't drive a car or ride a bike with those ancient "wheel" things on, soooo outdated. I hope you never use stone-age tools like hammers and saws. And shoes - I mean they've been around forever, you must be far too hipster to wear clothing right? :rolleyes:
 
Removal of the headphone jack is a half-baked idea, not thoroughly thought out by Apple. Had they included wireless charging (the industry standard Qi charging, not another proprietary Apple method we need less division not more), then many of the complaints about losing the jack would be addressed. But, in Apple's ridiculous quest for the thinnest phone on the planet, if there's no room for a headphone jack, there's no room for wireless charging electronics (but there IS room for a new HAPTIC FEEDBACK ENGINE!!!)
 
It's just too bad the AirPods look like Q-tips sticking out of your ears. At least release them in black.

My question is how well do the fit in the ear and how good they sound? I haven't used their ear buds in years because there was better sounding stuff out there.
 
Apple removed the headphone jack in the iPhone 7 and the iPhone 7 Plus, a controversial decision that's upset some iPhone fans.
That doesn't really bother me too much. I've already got a couple of pair of B&O BT headphones and I won't be put out too much if I decide to buy some third-party Lighting earbuds down the road either. When I think about it, the elimination of the analog jack seems like a natural progression for the technology and especially considering Apple's overall philosophy in moving, what they consider to be, forward; i.e. floppy drives and disc drives.
 
You joke, but in the next 10-15 years cars won't have steering wheels (thanks to autonomy).

Big LOL. You sound like the people from the 70ies who seriously thought by the year 2000 teleporting will render planes obsolete. :)
 
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My question is how well do the fit in the ear and how good they sound? I haven't used their ear buds in years because there was better sounding stuff out there.
I certainly won't be trying a pair out at the Apple Store after they have been in about a BILLION different ears!!
 
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Give it the jack isn't coming back, just like the floppy drive didn't come back or the cd/dvd drive didn't come back.
If everyone who has criticized Apple for the removal of the headphone jack bought a competitor's phone, I'd bet that Apple brings it back in a subsequent version of the phone.

Complaining won't do anything. Emailing Tim Cook won't do anything. The only thing Apple responds to is sales... especially a drop in sales of their products in conjunction with an increase in sales of their competitors'.
 
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You know you can use the lighting connector right? Potentially better sound (up to the headphones themselves) from an infinitely more versatile connector that takes up less room and is already there anyway. Maybe they should have used the jack for all that instead of installing the lightning. Oh, that's right, the jack couldn't do it because it's antiquated.

Great, I'll just hook my phone up to iTunes while I liste... D'oh! I'll charge its battery while I'm playing my favourite tun... D'oh!
 
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seriously who cares that they got rid of it, deal with it or don't buy the phone! the only thing honestly that seems a little lame was that they didn't introduce wireless charging, if you want to listen to music and charge the phone, it's no longer possible. Of course the next model will have it, but seems like they should have waited until both technologies were ready before implementing it.
 
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First, iPhone 4s was released 5 years ago, not six. Second, I don't you actually understand the definition of masochistic.
iPhone SE uses the old original Touch ID, not the kind in current devices. It also uses a bunch of other lesser tech and misses newer tech. It's a dud.
If everyone upgraded annually, in multiples, the planet would be more damaged than it is. My reasons for not upgrading due to the environmental impact are entirely valid.
Everything works well here. I might update next year if a ceramic clean no protruding no antenna line new design is released but only if it's in a 4" form factor.
There's no reason to upgrade to iPhone 6 series 3 (also known by its marketing slogan iphone 7, the one without a headphone jack, the glossy black one that scratches easily according to the Apple website).

I don't think the SE is a dud but rather it's surprisingly powerful. I just got it the other day after side-grading from the 6 Plus after 2 years. The SE just solved my iPod Touch ( 1 gen ) problem after I was able to move my entire music collection to it for the first time in ages. Now I can finally blast my music via bluetooth or wired. And you should know that the SE is really the iPhone 6s in disguise with 2 GB of RAM, A9 chip and 64 gb of storage. For such a low monthly price of $16 plus the plan I have, that is a STEAL. It will last me at least two years unless I decide to go for the iphone 8 which is my master plan.

I skipped 7 because I knew Apple would screw this up and the REAL evolutionary change and design form factor will come in 2017. I HIGHLY doubt it'll have ceramic white and the camera will likely be protruding as usual. I suspect it'll have the usual colors carried over from the 7. They won't do it in 4 inches but rather 4.7 and 5.5. That's the new standard.
 
So there's a quality DAC in that little adapter? At least as good as the one in the phone already?

That's the main point for me. water resistance is a lie; their are traditional ports that are sealed already.
ad phone are already too thin and fragile, had to start casing them with version 5) so I don't much value the space saving argument.
 
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seriously who cares that they got rid of it, deal with it or don't buy the phone! the only thing honestly that seems a little lame was that they didn't introduce wireless charging, if you want to listen to music and charge the phone, it's no longer possible. Of course the next model will have it, but seems like they should have waited until both technologies were ready before implementing it.

They removed the headphone jack to take up LESS room. You actually think they will have MORE room somehow for wireless charging electronics and still make the next iPhone THINNER?
 
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Plain and simple this is a money & control driven move not a technological one.

fewer parts and materials lower manufacturing costs.

proprietary port will increase MFI certification requests.

any iphone with a lightning port could already do what the new phone can so nothing technologically is gained for consumers in terms of listening options.

I'm guessing their AirPods will be slightly more successful than the Apple HiFi. they had a real opportunity for these if the price was more like $70.00 instead of $160.00 but for 5 hours.. not worth their current price point.
 
If everyone who has criticized Apple for the removal of the headphone jack bought a competitor's phone, I'd bet that Apple brings it back in a subsequent version of the phone.

Complaining won't do anything. Emailing Tim Cook won't do anything. The only thing Apple responds to is sales... especially a drop in sales of their products in conjunction with an increase in sales of their competitors'.

More likely a 6 SE version with the jack while the 8 will remain without it. The only way to change all that is dropped sales = Bye, Bye Cook, You're Fired.

I noticed he looked a bit white near the end of the keynote, slowing down before the Sia concert, and somber, rubbing the back of his head which made me wonder if he was about to say something heavy like "....this is my last keynote. I just got fired ". I was hoping for that.
 
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Of course, Apple could also drop the preoccupation with "thinner" and created the room for all of that and KEPT the headphone jack. 2 apparently great wants of iPhone buyers:
  • More battery
  • Get rid of the protruding wart
Rather than ejecting thoroughly ubiquitous utility to "free up "very valuable space," a modestly thicker iPhone could have accomplished the same. I pretty much never see, hear, meet anyone clamoring for "thinner." Now apparently "thinner" comes at a price of kicking utility OUT to accessories.

But spin it fellas... spin it. "Thinner" is essential so the headphone jack had to go so that other stuff could fit. That was our only option.:rolleyes:

Now what shall we kick out to an accessory next year to create room for "more innovation" in what must be an even "thinner" iPhone? You know, that battery takes up most of the space, it's an even OLDER technology than the headphone jack and people already buy battery cases anyway. Hmmmm.

Yep. I want a much thicker iPhone so I can use the 6.5mm headphone plug that comes on my Sennheiser HD650's. Having to use a stupid 6.5mm to 3.5mm adapter is just a pain.
 
Removal of the headphone jack is a half-baked idea, not thoroughly thought out by Apple. Had they included wireless charging (the industry standard Qi charging, not another proprietary Apple method we need less division not more), then many of the complaints about losing the jack would be addressed. But, in Apple's ridiculous quest for the thinnest phone on the planet, if there's no room for a headphone jack, there's no room for wireless charging electronics (but there IS room for a new HAPTIC FEEDBACK ENGINE!!!)

I'm wondering who the HELL came up with the idea of going with the Lightning jack and ditching the 3.5. I know Apple claims it was the engineers that suggested it but I suspect it was either Schiller's or Cook's brainchild. Can't be Jony unless he was involved in the decision to do it. I'm surprised Cue and Craig didn't show up unless they were privately embarrassed by the lack of 3.5 and didn't want to show up.

They truly screwed up in not making the phone have wireless charging which would've solved the lack of 3.5. Wireless charging should've started right there, without holding back until iphone 8 ( I can hear them thinking that ).
 
I'll post it again here... sorry for the double post ...but it is worthed!!

How do the rest of the world see Titanic

and how do the Apple user see Titanic....

Hopefully this will end this Heaphone issue!!
 

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Can someone explain why I keep seeing this repeated over and over like it means something special in this context? DAC specifically means "digital to analog converter"-- so even the name means analog comes out. We look at digital photos with our analog eyes, we listen to digital music with analog ears, we use a digital thermometer to measure our analog temperature, I'm an analog kid on a digital forum... None of this represents a tear in the fabric of the universe or anything-- why do people keep saying it?

Because people keep asking and people keep getting it wrong.
 
I won't miss it - I applaud this change ! - I can't believe how many folks are flipped out about losing this prehistoric audio jack to the lightning jack - and I don't I've EVER changed and listed to headphones at the same time. - although I can see how some might at work/desk.

and I'm tired of the cable - can't wait to hear what the airpods sound like. hopefully they won't compress the hell out of the signal.

Expect sound compression coming from the AirPods with digital signals. I have a digital hearing aid and have had sound compression when listening to my music. It was so annoying that I had to get my audiologist to re-program it with a third mode without compression. After re-listening to the headphone, it was much better with richer sound.

AirPod is a BS money grab. Good luck trying not to look like a douche when wearing them out in public. Or in the ghetto asking for trouble.
 
Because USB-C is a standard, lightning isn't. Now, if I were to buy lightning headphones, they'd be useless on any other device, including my MacBook. Apple's own lightning EarPods don't even work with all of their own products. At least if they went USB-C, it would be a standard that would work across multiple devices by multiple manufacturers, I wouldn't mind it so much. But I'm not going to spend a dime on any lightning headphones when they won't work on my MacBook, or my work laptop, or on my Kindle, or on an airplane's seatback entertainment system or any number of places I use my headphones.
I wouldn't buy lightning headphones either, unless they were dedicated to a gym bag or something like that (although I use Bluetooth for that). With that said, I don't Apple see the future of audio as wired, lightning-equipped headphones are just a convenience offering for those that find them convenient.
 
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