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My thesis...o_O

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So, yeah.

Apple saying they removed the 3.5" out of necessity is just garbage. Modern Semiconductors are amazing things and they can fit easily a 3.5" Jack, OLED Edge to Edge Displays, 3500mAh batteries, Power Saving circuitry and USB C connectors at the bottom end of the devices, and retain IP compliance.

Samsung do, dont see why it needs to be removed, nothing but greed and Apple absolutely dont care about the end user.[/QUOTE]
Forgot about 3dt and the haptic engine.
 
WELL I SUPPOSE LIKE 99.9% OF THE PEOPLE HERE, IVE NOT HEARD WHAT THE W1 IS CAPABLE OF YET.

Right, that's enough of that nonsense, just as you seem to like needlessly shouting, I thought I'd make you feel at home :D
The thing is there is no technical hurdle to prevent a wireless signal producing as good as or better a signal than the good old analog jack. Will the W1 do it? I highly doubt that. But a couple of generations down the line, it probably will.

Thanks... I appreciate that. :) And, no argument from me there. I'm sure some day, the wireless audio will match wired (I'm kind of surprised it doesn't already). But, that's really besides the point, because I was talking about wired connections. As I've explained in other responses, as convenient as wireless headsets are, I'm not certain they are safe to use for extended periods of time. So, I do wired.

So, yeah, Lightning is proprietary. So I've got to attach a little cable to my wired headphones to use them, it's hardly ideal, but meh.

The problem is with the mechanical nature of the connection. I often put my phone (iPod touch in my case... soon an SE) in my pocket and listen to podcasts while I'm working around the house or yard. A 3.5mm jack is one tough little bugger. I lose a set of ear-buds a couple times each year, because the wire goes bad where it meets the jack. But, I've never had any damage, or trouble with the connection, etc. for the jack itself or to the device.

On the other hand, Lightening is a much more fragile connector. While the cord could still go bad at the same spot, it's also likely being constantly wiggled and pressure applied to it, that it will break the connector, or worse, do damage to the port. And, there are several itty-bitty little connections involved in delivering the data. That makes it more likely to have interruptions.

Personally I'm not particularly afraid of change, I welcome it with open arms when I can see a benefit in the long run. And completely wireless, high quality audio is definitely one of those things.

Same here, unless it's a bad idea. Not all change is good change.

Wireless, though, is a whole other issue. The Science™ that says it's safe is like 1950s knowledge. We're just starting to have a bit of a clue about epigenetics, and we have no idea what the impact is going to be. So, I'll use it now and then... put in the AirPods for a Skype call or taking a call when driving, etc. It would be really handy for that. But, there's no way I'm going to use them for extended periods of time like I do my wired ear buds.
 
Thanks... I appreciate that. :) And, no argument from me there. I'm sure some day, the wireless audio will match wired (I'm kind of surprised it doesn't already). But, that's really besides the point, because I was talking about wired connections. As I've explained in other responses, as convenient as wireless headsets are, I'm not certain they are safe to use for extended periods of time. So, I do wired.



The problem is with the mechanical nature of the connection. I often put my phone (iPod touch in my case... soon an SE) in my pocket and listen to podcasts while I'm working around the house or yard. A 3.5mm jack is one tough little bugger. I lose a set of ear-buds a couple times each year, because the wire goes bad where it meets the jack. But, I've never had any damage, or trouble with the connection, etc. for the jack itself or to the device.

On the other hand, Lightening is a much more fragile connector. While the cord could still go bad at the same spot, it's also likely being constantly wiggled and pressure applied to it, that it will break the connector, or worse, do damage to the port. And, there are several itty-bitty little connections involved in delivering the data. That makes it more likely to have interruptions.



Same here, unless it's a bad idea. Not all change is good change.

Wireless, though, is a whole other issue. The Science™ that says it's safe is like 1950s knowledge. We're just starting to have a bit of a clue about epigenetics, and we have no idea what the impact is going to be. So, I'll use it now and then... put in the AirPods for a Skype call or taking a call when driving, etc. It would be really handy for that. But, there's no way I'm going to use them for extended periods of time like I do my wired ear buds.



Well I guess subjectivity plays a part in everything. The Lightning connection itself is actually a very robust thing, I've yet to experience an issue with that aspect. Indeed the lightning connection, both internal and on cables is the only part I've never had issue with.

The cable and housing, or casings if you prefer, on the other hand is a very different story. I've had several failed cables and one broken housing since their introduction (though I now use Lightning cables with all metal housings and reinforced cables for those that get a lot of movement. My cables used during development for instance get subjected to an extreme amount of use and torture on a daily basis. The reinforced cables are a godsend and have proven extremely reliable so far. I've been using the same one for over a year now, that never used to happen.)

But to me that's no different than the 3.5mm jack. I've lost count of the amount of broken cables and housings I've experienced over the years. From cheap and cheerful, to expensive and really annoying when they break. The metal prong may be a tough little bugger, but the rest is as susceptible to breakage as any other cable, they're not magically indestructible, mores the pity.
Which is just one more reason why I'm in favour of a wireless future, less fragile things to break.

(The next bit will probably get long and boring as for one, my medication has kicked in so as anyone who knows me on here will properly say, run for the hills, he's on a rant ;) And secondly, I used to work with high powered microwave generators back when I was an engineer in the semiconductor industry so it was and still sort of is of interest to me, ah the good old days when I used to get paid, not like this developing apps nonsense :D)

As for the dangers of using such wireless devices, well, I'm not overly concerned with it. The levels of power were talking about for these things is at most no more than that of a WiFi signal and on average significantly less. I'm not about to start sitting around my home, or wandering the streets with a tinfoil hat on to protect myself from the dangers of WiFi. So why should I be more concerned with Bluetooth.

I do dismiss a large portion of the research on the effects of these things on our health and wellbeing because, well, just follow the money and you have your answer.
But of the reputable independent research that's been done, there's thus far no evidence that using a Bluetooth headset or headphones is any more dangerous than being in the same room as a WiFi base station.

Indeed some research has shown, for instance, that using a wired headset/headphones when actively using the cellular (not WiFi) connection of a mobile phone, so even for streaming audio or if your browsing the net at the same time, could potentially deliver almost as much radiation to your head than if you were holding the phone against your head. So believe what you will.

While as you very rightly say, some places may refer their opinions on massively outdated research findings, not all do. And as we've been researching the use of wireless energy for the transmission of information for around 150 years, I'd like to think we have a better than average understanding of it now.

There is of course as you point out the epigenetic aspect to consider. However we're probably decades away from anything truly conclusive and useful coming from that, it's still in its infancy. While it's certainly something that's been theorised since the 40's, research didn't really begin until the 90's and even at that it's wasn't until later before significant research even began.

But if we are to consider epigenetics at all, then we must surely consider it as a whole rather than use it to single out and vilify electrical and electronic devices. Indeed there is as much evidence to suggest that we are just as at risk from the food we eat, or of course the lack of, than we are of things like Bluetooth.

So far one of the biggest potential findings to be drawn from epigenetic research is that exposure to famine dramatically increases the likelihood to develop heart disease and even schizophrenia. Many of the processed foods we eat, beverages we drink and even how we cook some foods are also suggested to be linked to an increased likelihood of cancer among other things.

So what can we really draw from the reliable information and research that does exist today? Well, basically, if we don't like the potential risks from a mobile phone or its accessories it's far better to just not own one. As no matter what else you do, if you have one you are certainly subjecting your body to potentially harmful effects, no matter how minimal or where the damage is done. You'll either be cooking your brain, or making yourself sterile from having the phone in your pocket, or causing damage to your kidneys from having it in a bag hanging from your shoulder.

We should also it would seem all eat a very strict diet of approved foods, avoid coffee, sugar, artificial sweeteners, processed meat, over cooking our food, undercooking our food and so on and so on.

Or, we can accept that just by existing we are killing ourselves and rather than worry too much about the inevitable, just enjoy all that life has to offer if it's within an acceptable safety range. (He said knowing full well he's exceeded that safety range in his short but colourful life.)

Me, well to stay safe I'm either going to have to get rid of every wireless thing in my home and get rid of all the electrical and electronic devices because of background radiation, yes even the TV and avoid society because everyone else has dangerous things, not to mentio..... Nah screw it, I like tech too much, I'll just fry my brain :D


On a side note, thank you, it's nice to have a proper discussion on things like this on here for a change. Sometimes on here we can be guilty of extremism. I do enjoy a good debate :)
 
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Apple didn't eschew USB. USB did not offer Apple a suitable replacement for 30-pin. Where was USB-C when Apple was developing Lightning 5 years ago? Now that USB-C was developed, with Apple's support and involvement, to incorporate features from Lightning, Apple should just switch half-a-billion customers over to it, even though the devices they're using Lightning with don't need it?

Actually, yes. That would be "courage".

30-pin to Lighning was a required move and moved from proprietary to proprietary. the elimination of the 3.5mm moves from standard to proprietary, never a good move. Moving from Lighning to USB-C would be moving tfrom proprietary to standard, always good.

I think the iPhone 7 would have been a good time, removing a standard connector and replacing the [proprietary one with a standard. Although the Anniverasary phone would also make sense. And given that most people are on a 2 year upgrade cycle, you get 2 years from your Lightning headphones. And an adapter from USB-C to Lightning can be a passive device.

Smart high end headphone manufacturers shoud make them with removable cables and oinclude both a Lightning-USB-C and USB-C-USB-C cables.
 
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So, yeah.

Apple saying they removed the 3.5" out of necessity is just garbage. Modern Semiconductors are amazing things and they can fit easily a 3.5" Jack, OLED Edge to Edge Displays, 3500mAh batteries, Power Saving circuitry and USB C connectors at the bottom end of the devices, and retain IP compliance.

Samsung do, dont see why it needs to be removed, nothing but greed and Apple absolutely dont care about the end user.


You don't necessarily need a degree in electronics for a design decision to remove a head phone jack. While Samsung's decision to keep the head phone jack, but still failed Consumer Reports water immersion tests twice, perhaps they should.
 
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Actually, yes. That would be "courage".

30-pin to Lighning was a required move and moved from proprietary to proprietary. the elimination of the 3.5mm moves from standard to proprietary, never a good move. Moving from Lighning to USB-C would be moving tfrom proprietary to standard, always good.

I think the iPhone 7 would have been a good time, removing a standard connector and replacing the [proprietary one with a standard. Although the Anniverasary phone would also make sense. And given that most people are on a 2 year upgrade cycle, you get 2 years from your Lightning headphones. And an adapter from USB-C to Lightning can be a passive device.

Smart high end headphone manufacturers shoud make them with removable cables and oinclude both a Lightning-USB-C and USB-C-USB-C cables.


Apple are just corporate greed, all they want is profit, profit and more profit.

They pretend that they are consumer focused and have lavish displays and shops but its just a trick, Apple have excelled in marketing to make pretty average products appear premium or better than what else is available,

From iTunes, Various Cables, adapters and everything else in their ecosytem. Even NFC is for Apple pay only.

They dont use USB like every other device on the planet, ditto to SD cards, good luck trying to upgrade a Mac Book.

Get the idea?

Apple = Corporate greed.

I couldnt stick a day with the restrictive, basic, outdated and choking environment of an iPhone.
 
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Apple are just corporate greed, all they want is profit, profit and more profit.

They pretend that they are consumer focused and have lavish displays and shops but its just a trick, Apple have excelled in marketing to make pretty average products appear premium or better than what else is available,

From iTunes, Various Cables, adapters and everything else in their ecosytem. Even NFC is for Apple pay only.

They dont use USB like every other device on the planet, ditto to SD cards, good luck trying to upgrade a Mac Book.

Get the idea?

Apple = Corporate greed.

I couldnt stick a day with the restrictive, basic, outdated and choking environment of an iPhone.
Packed an impressive amount of hyperbole into that one post.:D
 
Fanboys cant suck up the truth.

for people like you Apple can flog off a 'new' Iphone.

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Apple are just corporate greed, all they want is profit, profit and more profit.

They pretend that they are consumer focused and have lavish displays and shops but its just a trick, Apple have excelled in marketing to make pretty average products appear premium or better than what else is available,

From iTunes, Various Cables, adapters and everything else in their ecosytem. Even NFC is for Apple pay only.

They dont use USB like every other device on the planet, ditto to SD cards, good luck trying to upgrade a Mac Book.

Get the idea?

Apple = Corporate greed.

I couldnt stick a day with the restrictive, basic, outdated and choking environment of an iPhone.


So why bother spending time on an iPhone thread at all, rather a waste of your time if your just here to spout off against it.

Anyway, that's not why I'm posting. I'm posting for this, Apple = Corporate greed.

Seriously? Is that an actual meaningful statement? Because in their very existence its pretty perspicuous that they should desire to make money. They are a business, the sole purpose of their being is to make as much money as possible.

But what the hey, let's finish the list off. Apple=Microsoft=Samsung=Sony=LG=Blackberry=Google=Facebook=McDonalds=Subway=Panasonic=Toshiba=Starbucks=Greed.

I decided to just finish there because I'm bored of typing and that would be one hellofa long list. By all means feel free to keep adding any company in existence to the list.
 
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Fanboys cant suck up the truth.

for people like you Apple can flog off a 'new' Iphone.

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So, just to clarifi as I'm a bit dense and all what wif bein an Applez fanboi. Somfin iz can only be nuw if it iz lookin diffrint an that? Coz if itz no lookinz difirents from the wonz befor it, it mus obvisly be like totly all the same fing an doz all exictly the saim stuff an nuffin difrent?
 
The Lightning connection itself is actually a very robust thing, I've yet to experience an issue with that aspect. Indeed the lightning connection, both internal and on cables is the only part I've never had issue with.

I sure hope you're right. I'm pretty good with mechanical things... and just using the both, they don't seem equals (in robust-ness) at all. And, my son's iPad mini connector does seem a bit flaky if wiggled, from time to time. And, while he's not easy on it (as much as I try to get him to be), I'd think a phone in a pocket would be more punishment.

The cable and housing, or casings if you prefer, on the other hand is a very different story.

For sure, though that's where a cable should break, Lightening or 3.5mm. That simply means a new cable... not a huge deal.

Which is just one more reason why I'm in favour of a wireless future, less fragile things to break.

For the record, I love wireless too... at least when nothing critical is on the line.

... I used to work with high powered microwave generators back when I was an engineer in the semiconductor industry so it was and still sort of is of interest to me ...

For sure. I started as an amateur radio guy, and my initial degree is in electronics engineering. My first job out of school was in prototyping and such for a high-end monitor company (RF testing was part of it).

The levels of power were talking about for these things is at most no more than that of a WiFi signal and on average significantly less.

Do you mean, once taking in account distance/falloff? I suppose I should actually calculate it out some day, but there's a bit difference having something right in your ear vs a few feet away, let along across the room. But, yea, BT at least, is far lower power than most of the other transmitters we encounter (like holding the phone to ones' head!).

Indeed some research has shown, for instance, that using a wired headset/headphones when actively using the cellular (not WiFi) connection of a mobile phone, so even for streaming audio or if your browsing the net at the same time, could potentially deliver almost as much radiation to your head than if you were holding the phone against your head. So believe what you will.

Maybe that's what you're trying to say here? This paragraph isn't quite clear to me.

There is of course as you point out the epigenetic aspect to consider. However we're probably decades away from anything truly conclusive and useful coming from that, it's still in its infancy. While it's certainly something that's been theorised since the 40's, research didn't really begin until the 90's and even at that it's wasn't until later before significant research even began.

But if we are to consider epigenetics at all, then we must surely consider it as a whole rather than use it to single out and vilify electrical and electronic devices. Indeed there is as much evidence to suggest that we are just as at risk from the food we eat, or of course the lack of, than we are of things like Bluetooth.

Oh, absolutely! In fact, it was from the nutritional/biological side of things that I first took interest in the subject. (Trying to help my son with food/behaviour issues.) Once I started to understand some of the 'why' behind it, I've become much more aware, in application, across the board.

While there's no way to make the environment, diet, etc. perfect, I try to work on what I can reasonably control.

You'll either be cooking your brain, or making yourself sterile from having the phone in your pocket, or causing damage to your kidneys from having it in a bag hanging from your shoulder.

That's the thing about epigenetics though... it doesn't need to 'cook' anything, which I think was the older fear... i.e.: that it would damage cells or DNA. But, now we know it just has to influence gene expression in some way. (You probably know this... I'm just stating it here for the sake of others following along.)

We should also it would seem all eat a very strict diet of approved foods, avoid coffee, sugar, artificial sweeteners, processed meat, over cooking our food, undercooking our food and so on and so on.

Yes. We make most of our own food, as much as is practical/affordable. I eat very little sugar. We even get spring water or reverse osmosis. There's a great podcast, BTW, if you want to follow this stuff more closely: Shawn Stevenson, The Model Health Show. Sleep is another huge one.

Or, we can accept that just by existing we are killing ourselves and rather than worry too much about the inevitable, just enjoy all that life has to offer if it's within an acceptable safety range. (He said knowing full well he's exceeded that safety range in his short but colourful life.)

Oh, for sure. But, I've kind of ditched the 'everything in moderation' and weigh it out a bit more carefully. But, for the average person, there is a HUGE amount of improvement to be had before we get into much that would be too costly/inconvenient (or fun-killing).

On a side note, thank you, it's nice to have a proper discussion on things like this on here for a change. Sometimes on here we can be guilty of extremism. I do enjoy a good debate :)

Same here... cheers! :)
 
Besides, the iPhone is not totally waterproof, its splash proof.

Apple clearly think they can pull wool over the eyes of its fans again saying they had to remove the audio jack out of necessity blah blah

http://www.techtimes.com/articles/1...ut-the-warranty-doesnt-cover-water-damage.htm

Apple Customer: I purchased an iPhone 7 yesterday, I had to receive a call outside while there was light rain, now the phone doesn't work. I thought it was supposed to be splash proof!

Apple Agent: Sorry to hear that you are having problems with you new iPhone. You are correct, the iPhone 7 is indeed splash proof. Let me see what I can do for you.

Apple Customer: Great...... so as the phone is brand new, I've only had it one day, and still under warranty, can you send me a new one or get this one fixed?

Apple Agent: Let me check that for you............... No, sorry sir, your warranty does not cover water damage.

Apple Customer: What??!??!??........... The phone is supposed to be splash proof??!??!??.............. It got a tiny bit wet in the rain, now it doesn't work and you wont do anything to help me. Even though the phone is sold as being splash proof??!??!??

Apple Agent: Sorry sir, Apple does not cover water damage under warranty.

Apple Customer: So your telling me that even though the phone is sold as being splash proof, you will not fix it or replace it under warranty as the warranty does not cover water damage??!??!??

Apple Agent: Yes sir, that is correct.

Apple Customer: I feel cheated, I thought Apple had my back. How wrong could I have been. Very upset right now. Good bye.
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Because there are headphones that will draw power from a USB C jack, and now they need to make multiple versions...figure it out.


and people really want a lovely sexy dongle hanging around the end of a 'premium' phone and having to put up with a mess of wires. hideous and a farce

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Exactly.

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Apple pass nothing onto the consumer, only the idea that they own something that is superior..

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iPhones are behind the times with technology. Would you pay about $1000 for a Iphone 7 Plus. That looks pretty identical to the previous model and has a battery much smaller that what competitors have, doesnt have any fast charge, zero wireless charge capability, zero power saving modes, no ability to use a SD card...

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unfortunately I have a Masters in Electronics and work with compliance and regulation and know this is BS.

I find it difficult to believe that anyone with an electrical engineering masters degree things that having More battery capacity and AMOLED based screens alone with power saving modes in the OS are the end all and be all of delivering advancements in performance and longevity in terms of power consumption.

You failed to realize a more efficient CPU is much better solution than the above aside from the best solution of having a much more advanced battery technology to begin with.

An SD card? Oh you mean the manufacturer to pass on the cost of lager storage to the end user, along with the research to have the best speeds of such MicroSD onto the end user as well. Internal storage is always a much more secure (intrusion software loaded via MicroSD to Android is more than capable of happening) and is always faster with higher read/write numbers than external storage.
 
I find it difficult to believe that anyone with an electrical engineering masters degree things that having More battery capacity and AMOLED based screens alone with power saving modes in the OS are the end all and be all of delivering advancements in performance and longevity in terms of power consumption.

You failed to realize a more efficient CPU is much better solution than the above aside from the best solution of having a much more advanced battery technology to begin with.

An SD card? Oh you mean the manufacturer to pass on the cost of lager storage to the end user, along with the research to have the best speeds of such MicroSD onto the end user as well. Internal storage is always a much more secure (intrusion software loaded via MicroSD to Android is more than capable of happening) and is always faster with higher read/write numbers than external storage.

unfortunately for you most people tend to agree with me, why else is Android the worlds best selling OS globally, go check google. For people who understand specifications they avoid over priced underwhelming iPhones.

In fact my old Galaxy Note 5 is the best selling phone in the USA apparently.

According to the latest ACSI Telecommunications Report, America’s favorite smartphone is the Galaxy Note 5

Android manufacturers dont take their customers to be mugs also.

http://bgr.com/2016/09/08/iphone-7-headphones-removal-adapter-schiller-explanation/

Specifically, Riccio relayed that the size of the audio jack became a frustrating nuisance when trying to incorporate the respective camera systems inside of the iPhone 7 and iPhone 7 Plus. What’s more, removing the headphone jack enabled Apple to increase the size of the 4.7-inch iPhone 7 battery by 14%, ultimately providing users with an extra two hours of battery life. And last but not least, Riccio explained that removing the 3.5mm jack finally helped Apple deliver a more water-resistant iPhone.

Samsung have much larger batteries, an edge to edge display and a smaller footprint than Apple to play with, so that begs the question how can Samsung pack into a Note 7: a stylus, a 3500mAh battery, iris scanners, SD card slot, power saving technology,fast charging tech, inductive coil and 3.5" Audio Jack, and still reach higher Ingress Protection (not splash proof) rating than Apple. Even the Note 7 can write under water. The power saving tech in the latest Samsungs allow for up to 35 hours extra run time by downscaling resolution to the same as what is on the iPhone 7 plus, yet Apple can just mustard 2 hours extra runtime and on a much smaller display.

BTW, Apple probably are in talks with Samsung to be an OEM supplier for OLED screens for the iPhone 8 out next year.

Apple charge over the odds for underwhelming devices and are behind the times with technology.
 
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unfortunately for you most people tend to agree with me, why else is Android the worlds best selling OS globally, go check google. For people who understand specifications they avoid over priced underwhelming iPhones.

In fact my old Galaxy Note 5 is the best selling phone in the USA apparently.

According to the latest ACSI Telecommunications Report, America’s favorite smartphone is the Galaxy Note 5

Android is the best selling OS simply because of two things:
Variances in price and choice of features from manufacturers.

The latter is dwindling as all are offering the same camera features (Sony's once unique offering), metal design (HTC's expertise for decades; they too where an OEM for carriers), battery efficiency (again Sony's prowess until Android 6 Nugat).

If you've not noticed once juggernaught manufacturers of Andorid devices are seriously beginning to fall.

Samsung a main reason for surviving beyond just technical advances is because they're the supplier - the biggest amongst their competitors- for screens/displays, storage and RAM, chipsets (not the core CPU).

The majority of Android users are STILL non technical. I'd like to see you challenge that with facts.

I don't care what the most popular smartphone OS is - go back two years and you'll find I previously lived BB10 I go with the mobile OS that works for me. Their are huge advantages in Android but it's a damn clusterf*ck for me. 10 apps don't all work from HTC to Samsung SGS line to Sony Xperia all the last generation although heir all using the same CPU! That's annoyance. I rather use my brain power for troubleshooting computers and software access email transport and setup of SMTP authentication etc at work than have to troubleshoot my smartphone to/from/at work. That is what the old BBOS was like and people lived it yesteryear until the competition massively simplified experiences.

Again you've said nothing to dispute a more efficient CPU is better Han just having larger battery capacity of which my post challenged you on.
 
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Android is the best selling OS simply because of two things:
Variances in price and choice of features from manufacturers.

The latter is dwindling as all are offering the same camera features (Sony's once unique offering), metal design (HTC's expertise for decades; they too where an OEM for carriers), battery efficiency (again Sony's prowess until Android 6 Nugat).

If you've not noticed once juggernaught manufacturers of Andorid devices are seriously beginning to fall.

Samsung a main reason for surviving beyond just technical advances is because they're the supplier - the biggest amongst their competitors- for screens/displays, storage and RAM, chipsets (not the core CPU).

The majority of Android users are STILL non technical. I'd like to see you challenge that with facts.

I don't care what the most popular smartphone OS is - go back two years and you'll find I previously lived BB10 I go with the mobile OS that works for me. Their are huge advantages in Android but it's a damn clusterf*ck for me. 10 apps don't all work from HTC to Samsung SGS line to Sony Xperia all the last generation although heir all using the same CPU! That's annoyance. I rather use my brain power for troubleshooting computers and software access email transport and setup of SMTP authentication etc at work than have to troubleshoot my smartphone to/from/at work. That is what the old BBOS was like and people lived it yesteryear until the competition massively simplified experiences.

Again you've said nothing to dispute a more efficient CPU is better Han just having larger battery capacity of which my post challenged you on.

People avoid Apple because once you get sucked into Apple, the ecosystem, then Apple tend to own you. The iPhone 7 an excellent case in point.

https://www.engadget.com/2016/09/09/iphone-7-closed-computer/

Android has much more freedom, the NFC on the Galaxy series wont restrict you to purchases on google pay, Android users dont need to mess with itunes or deal with restrictions for viewing material on their devices.

Apple is restrictive, choking and empowering (for Apple, not the consumer)
 
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unfortunately for you most people tend to agree with me, why else is Android the worlds best selling OS globally, go check google. For people who understand specifications they avoid over priced underwhelming iPhones.

In fact my old Galaxy Note 5 is the best selling phone in the USA apparently.

According to the latest ACSI Telecommunications Report, America’s favorite smartphone is the Galaxy Note 5

Android manufacturers dont take their customers to be mugs also.

http://bgr.com/2016/09/08/iphone-7-headphones-removal-adapter-schiller-explanation/

Specifically, Riccio relayed that the size of the audio jack became a frustrating nuisance when trying to incorporate the respective camera systems inside of the iPhone 7 and iPhone 7 Plus. What’s more, removing the headphone jack enabled Apple to increase the size of the 4.7-inch iPhone 7 battery by 14%, ultimately providing users with an extra two hours of battery life. And last but not least, Riccio explained that removing the 3.5mm jack finally helped Apple deliver a more water-resistant iPhone.

Samsung have much larger batteries, an edge to edge display and a smaller footprint than Apple to play with, so that begs the question how can Samsung pack into a Note 7: a stylus, a 3500mAh battery, iris scanners, SD card slot, power saving technology,fast charging tech, inductive coil and 3.5" Audio Jack, and still reach higher Ingress Protection (not splash proof) rating than Apple. Even the Note 7 can write under water. The power saving tech in the latest Samsungs allow for up to 35 hours extra run time by downscaling resolution to the same as what is on the iPhone 7 plus, yet Apple can just mustard 2 hours extra runtime and on a much smaller display.

BTW, Apple probably are in talks with Samsung to be an OEM supplier for OLED screens for the iPhone 8 out next year.

Apple charge over the odds for underwhelming devices and are behind the times with technology.


Why else is Android the worlds best selling OS globally?

Fairy straightforward I'd have thought, in excess of 1,000 manufacturers throwing out devices month after month at price points which start at next to nothing.
Here in the UK, cheapest Android phone (sim-free, off contract) £24.99, cheapest iPhone (sim-free, off contract) £379.00.
The fact that a single manufacturer producing only high-end phones holds as much market share as it does is nothing short of astonishing.
 
Why else is Android the worlds best selling OS globally?

Fairy straightforward I'd have thought, in excess of 1,000 manufacturers throwing out devices month after month at price points which start at next to nothing.
Here in the UK, cheapest Android phone (sim-free, off contract) £24.99, cheapest iPhone (sim-free, off contract) £379.00.
The fact that a single manufacturer producing only high-end phones holds as much market share as it does is nothing short of astonishing.

Nope, you can can get an iPhone 5s at Argos sim free for 259 quid, on contact 16.99 at CPW, I suspect, by looking around one could get it even cheaper.

http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Product/partNumber/3311246.htm
 
Sorry, I should have been more specific. Current devices, not discontinued ones. My mistake for thinking that would be obvious.

They are not discontinued, one can get them from O2 or most places. You weren't obvious, but if you are going to make a point you should perhaps do a cursory Google search first. Sorry if that is not obvious to you. Or perhaps you thought that by quoting a price 30% above what one can really get a phone, that it strengthened your argument? It never, it weakened it.

Just because Apple discontinues a phone doesn't mean it is discontinued everywhere, or loses support from Apple.
 
They are not discontinued, one can get them from O2 or most places. You weren't obvious, but if you are going to make a point you should perhaps do a cursory Google search first. Sorry if that is not obvious to you. Or perhaps you thought that by quoting a price 30% above what one can really get a phone, that it strengthened your argument? It never, it weakened it.

Just because Apple discontinues a phone doesn't mean it is discontinued everywhere, or loses support from Apple.


For what it's worth, I did search, being the obvious thing to do, I also did not take into account devices such as the iPhone 5 (and for that matter 5c, which if you search around for you'll also still find) as they are discontinued like it or not.
Availability of old stock does not in itself constitute a device not being discontinued by the manufacturer. Nor for that matter does obtaining support from the manufacturer sorry if thats not obvious to you.

But still, thanks for pointing out that the low cost old, discontinued iPhones still cost 10X that of a low cost current Android handset.
 
For what it's worth, I did search, being the obvious thing to do, I also did not take into account devices such as the iPhone 5 (and for that matter 5c, which if you search around for you'll also still find) as they are discontinued like it or not.
Availability of old stock does not in itself constitute a device not being discontinued by the manufacturer. Nor for that matter does obtaining support from the manufacturer sorry if thats not obvious to you.

But still, thanks for pointing out that the low cost old, discontinued iPhones still cost 10X that of a low cost current Android handset.

Of course, but perhaps you want to compare them like for like.

Listen, I thought you made a decent point, you just lost credibility when you tried to save a 120 quid on the price for the sake of impact, I can walk into any high street phone retailer and buy a 5S over the counter, so that is where you should have started. Reason I know this is that I am looking to buy my Granddaughter one.
 
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