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Not shocked at all. It needs to get to $1k for the masses to readily engage, in my opinion.
$1.5k max, ofcourse $1k would be sweetest gift. I hope its not canceled, its damn good and would love to have one, just that its way out of reach, considering this to be a tertiary expensive device, after Macbook pro and iPhone. And its more expensive than both, not considering top of the line macs.
 
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One problem too is that you can’t easily pick it up and try it out in store, even if it was good. I stopped by an Apple Store to look at the new iPhone 16. I was interested in the photographic styles update. I could pick it up, play with it, and learn. But when I asked about the Vision Pro, you had to make an appointment and the associate wasn’t going to go out of their way to say, well how about now? Even though the store wasn’t too busy. If even the basic shopping experience has “friction” like that, it’s a doomed product.
The associate at my store said pretty much that, as in “we can get you in right away”. It ended up taking ten minutes of a wait, but the demo was quite well done. It had no more friction that any other thousands of dollars item I’ve had demoed, but your impulse-buy price range could easily be higher than mine, as I do not get that many demos for items in that price range.
 
I've never tried jumping off a bridge. You're saying I should before I know I'd actually hate it?

Sorry, reality doesn't work like that. You don't have to personally put your hand on the burner to know it's hot.
Laughable comment. You’ve never jumped off of something into water, be it diving board, bridge, or cliff? You realize humans do indeed learn that the burner is hot by touching it or via some other form of measurement? What you are talking about is faith and shouldn’t be confused with knowledge.
 
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I got psvr2 just so I can play GT7. It’s absolutely amazing. I now have 200hrs logged in using it 🤪

This. Everyone is missing the point in here. I bought a PSVR2 for GT7 and it is INCREDIBLE. I play every day. “VR” and “AR” do not sell hardware just because it exists. You have to give people something that is so good they are willing to wear an uncomfortable face-computer to do it. GT7 is that, and so is No Man’s Sky. It’s an unfortunate chicken-and-egg situation. Sony needs more than 2-3 outstanding games in order for VR to be a success, but the barriers to entry are so high for these games that developers are taking on a lot of risk without an established customer base. PSVR2 only cost $500, but that’s still more then the PS5 console itself.
 
This. Everyone is missing the point in here. I bought a PSVR2 for GT7 and it is INCREDIBLE. I play every day. “VR” and “AR” do not sell hardware just because it exists. You have to give people something that is so good they are willing to wear an uncomfortable face-computer to do it. GT7 is that, and so is No Man’s Sky. It’s an unfortunate chicken-and-egg situation. Sony needs more than 2-3 outstanding games in order for VR to be a success, but the barriers to entry are so high for these games that developers are taking on a lot of risk without an established customer base. PSVR2 only cost $500, but that’s still more then the PS5 console itself.
And PSVR is on the cheaper end of gaming VR as well. For years I've been running an HP Reverb G2 for MSFS (tried Quest 3 for a short time but wasn't as good).

Now that MS is ditching WMR, was looking at the Pimax Crystal but been having good success with the Vision Pro with MSFS using ALVR. Not my primary use for AVP, but was surprised at how well it worked. Needs some tweaking for performance, but clarity and quality wise, is far superior to any other headset I've tried so far.
 
They don't sell the original iPhone either.
When I originally wrote the post I was going to say that they don't sell the original iPhone. Then I decided that the HomePod was a better analogue, since they discontinued the HomePod without a direct successor.

I have that HomePod, by the way, and we still use it often.
This nonsense really doesn't go away, huh?

Apple is selling a second generation HomePod with the same design and at the same price point as the original HomePod.

The story about the HomePod being a flop makes zero sense.

What probably actually happened: The original HomePod was too difficult and expensive to make. So Apple discontinued it, reworked it, and gave us a second generation that looks almost identical, costs the same, but is slightly less complex inside.

And to get back to the main topic: Something similar might (might!) be going on with the Vision Pro. But in reality, nobody here knows what's really going on.
My post was intended to be nonsense.

I hope AppleVision gets a new version that improves on the current Pro model. I own the AVP, and I think some version of it is part of the future of computing.
 
When I originally wrote the post I was going to say that they don't sell the original iPhone. Then I decided that the HomePod was a better analogue, since they discontinued the HomePod without a direct successor.

I have that HomePod, by the way, and we still use it often.

My post was intended to be nonsense.

I hope AppleVision gets a new version that improves on the current Pro model. I own the AVP, and I think some version of it is part of the future of computing.
The concept and interface I believe will live on in whatever the mainstream version of this project finally finds traction. I doubt we will see the eyesight though
 
Even if they do all the things you listed, they still haven't given us a use case for this thing. Seriously, what is the point of it?

They didn't launch any games with it. They have only added a couple of sports clips and a 10 minute movie for content in almost a year.

I don't understand Apple's strategy with this thing.
I forgot to add that Apple should make software for it as well. And give us some stuff we can do with it. The surgeons performing surgery with this thing was already a great example, but affording this is not an issue for hospitals.
 
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The device is basically a Mac/iPhone on your face. While I'm sure the experience is cool, it's just not $3500 +tax cool. Perhaps if it did more...less gimmicky and more practical. Apple has a habit of pushing new features on devices that you can only use with the latest hardware, and it's not uncommon to provide hardware upgrades annually. It makes the Vision a bad investment.

Don't forget neck injury, facial wounds, and probably eye cancer, all included at no additional cost.
 
The story is not that AVP is discontinued. The story is that manufacturing has stopped, which more likely means that they have enough in stock for a year worth of sales.still not great, but I don’t believe Apple will pull the plug yet. They may adjust the concept and bring out another product, like how HomePod was MIA for a while, and replaced by the Mini. Rumours are that a 2500.- USD device is coming, likely the same device without the front screen. Won’t change the game, but may hold the fort while they regroup.
The time appears to be coming to abandon the fort.
 
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The device is basically a Mac/iPhone on your face. While I'm sure the experience is cool, it's just not $3500 +tax cool. Perhaps if it did more...less gimmicky and more practical. Apple has a habit of pushing new features on devices that you can only use with the latest hardware, and it's not uncommon to provide hardware upgrades annually. It makes the Vision a bad investment.
At least the expensive Apple Watches were much more useful.
 
I hope AppleVision gets a new version that improves on the current Pro model. I own the AVP, and I think some version of it is part of the future of computing.

The problem with AppleVision is not it needs improvements, the problem is it does not have any practical use case. Watching movies? Playing games? Writing a book or report in Word? Editing videos or photos? Navigating with Safari? Reading a book? All those tasks are better done on a laptop or desktop. That is the point.

The iPhone, iPad, AppleWatch or MacBook are the best machines for particular tasks, even if they overlap a bit (you can read a book on a laptop and on an iPad, you can write an email too, etc.). But the AppleVision is uncomfortable, expensive, and... what is the advantage/use case of this device?

Marginal improvements and drops in price will not change the real problem. It will never be a mass product, and therefore it is a product without economic sense at all. Another beautiful engineers idea, but useless.
 
I forgot to add that Apple should make soft software for it as well. And give us some stuff we can do with it. The surgeons performing surgery with this thing was already a great example, but affording this is not an issue for hospitals.
"And give us some stuff we can do with it." That's kinda the whole point.

There will always be niche use cases especially in medical, engineering, education and other commercial applications but it doesn't appeal to the average person.

Apple was suppose to show us why we would use the AVP and how Meta, after 10 years of working on this, have gotten it wrong. Truth is, they are clearly as lost as Meta as to why the average person would want to use VR on daily basis.

Outside of watching movies and playing games, the average person has no reason to own one of these devices. To make it even worse, Apple seems to ignore this by giving us no games and one, 10 minute movie a year after release.
 
It's the HomePod all over again. They made it. They discontinued it. Now they don't sell the HomePod any more.

I mean they don't sell the original HomePod any more.
Except they do?
 
The problem with AppleVision is not it needs improvements, the problem is it does not have any practical use case. Watching movies? Playing games? Writing a book or report in Word? Editing videos or photos? Navigating with Safari? Reading a book? All those tasks are better done on a laptop or desktop. That is the point.

The iPhone, iPad, AppleWatch or MacBook are the best machines for particular tasks, even if they overlap a bit (you can read a book on a laptop and on an iPad, you can write an email too, etc.). But the AppleVision is uncomfortable, expensive, and... what is the advantage/use case of this device?
I don't agree at all. The iPad didn't do ANYTHING that couldn't be done on desktop or iPhone. It was just the iPhone but with a bigger screen (and without the phone). What is the advantage/use case there? There's not a use case for the iPad.

Because there are many use cases for the iPad. You could use an iPad in a doctors' office so patients can fill out information in the waiting room. It's a familiar size, and as easy to hold as a clipboard.

Of course some will say that's a terrible use case, because the iPad costs several hundred dollars and a clipboard costs less than five dollars.

A desktop computer doesn't have A use case. It has several. Spreadsheets are sometimes mentioned (VisiCalc). Well that isn't even a use case, just a tool, and many people who have desktop computer don't use spreadsheets ever. A friend of mine bought a computer in the 80s for desktop publishing. The only application he ever had running was PageMaker.

iPhone's use case as a phone has taken a back seat to other use cases. It has always been a music player. It was and is a content viewer, though the iPad's larger size makes iPhone less compelling. It wasn't a camera at first. It HAD a camera, but it could never be someone's primary camera. Minor changes wouldn't change that. Major changes, however, did change it. Go to any school event and for every one person (my brother) with a traditional-looking camera you'll see 49 recording the event on an iPhone.

The AVP has many use cases also. Some of them have yet to mature. You can dismiss them if you like, but that is like dismissing desktop computers because you don't see the value of either spreadsheets or desktop publishing.

The biggest advantages of AppleVision are the stereoscopic display and the way it maps your surroundings. No TV, desktop, laptop, smartphone, or smart watch can display 3D or stereoscopic content as well as or better than the AVP..

My iPhone can take "spatial" photos or videos, but I can't see them in 3D on my iPhone, and if I try to edit them I get a message that doing so will remove the spatial data. Editing them on the Apple Vision should be able to preserve the depth and of course you can see the results in stereo as you go. I say "should" because the Vision OS photos app doesn't have editing features yet. Editing spatial and immersive video would also be better when you can see the results as you go.

Mapping your environment lets you use any surface as a display (or simple leave your displays hanging in midair). Find My should be able to tell you exactly where you left your keys or remote. You should be able to scan a bedroom and then view the room with the furniture removed. Then add back your own furniture in different locations. Or add new furniture from a store's online catalog.

Marginal improvements and drops in price will not change the real problem. It will never be a mass product, and therefore it is a product without economic sense at all. Another beautiful engineers idea, but useless.
I'm not expecting that marginal improvements and drops in price will solve everything. I think Apple Vision needs dramatic improvements and big drops in price. Some of it may have to wait on improved technology.
 
I'm not expecting that marginal improvements and drops in price will solve everything. I think Apple Vision needs dramatic improvements and big drops in price. Some of it may have to wait on improved technology.

I would agree here, for sure

For me, if the content library was about 50x what it is and the price was sub $1k ... it would have a chance of being something I'd consider for entertainment purposes
 
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It's the HomePod all over again. They made it. They discontinued it. Now they don't sell the HomePod any more.

I mean they don't sell the original HomePod any more.

Yes, I know. I was being sarcastic.

I have the original HomePod and I have the Apple Vision Pro.
I see, flew right over my head then

The way you clarified you meant the non mini HomePod threw me off
 
I don't agree at all. The iPad didn't do ANYTHING that couldn't be done on desktop or iPhone. It was just the iPhone but with a bigger screen (and without the phone). What is the advantage/use case there? There's not a use case for the iPad.

There is not specific use case for the iPad Pro, because a Laptop is a better computer in most cases, but a simple iPad is perfect for content consumption (books, movies, twitter, etc.) traveling or in bed.
 
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The biggest advantages of AppleVision are the stereoscopic display and the way it maps your surroundings. No TV, desktop, laptop, smartphone, or smart watch can display 3D or stereoscopic content as well as or better than the AVP..

That is not an use case, it is just a capability of the device... without any use case for mass production of a device like that.
 
Apple was suppose to show us why we would use the AVP and how Meta, after 10 years of working on this, have gotten it wrong. Truth is, they are clearly as lost as Meta as to why the average person would want to use VR on daily basis.
That is the point.
 
That is not an use case, it is just a capability of the device... without any use case for mass production of a device like that.
Displaying content in stereo is a capability. Watching stereo or 3D content is a use case. Playing games in 3D is a use case.

Mass production is a relative term. The Commodore 64 is arguably the best selling computer model ever, yet it sold only 360K units its first year (I was one of those). The Macintosh sold only 372,000 units its first year, which was amazing because it cost twice (in today's dollars) what an Apple Vision Pro costs.

I drove a mass-produced Honda Insight in 2000, which was one of only 4,000 sold in the US that year.

If Apple can sell 500,000 iMacs per year at a profit, that's a reason to mass produce them. If Apple can sell 100,000 Mac Pros per year at a profit, that's a reason to mass produce them. If Apple can sell 400,000 Apple Vision units per year at a profit, that's a reason to mass produce them.
 
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