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Great news. A flawed democracy is still vastly better than the CCP. You notice how people say India is no longer a democracy but dictatorships don't exactly lose their majority position in a democratic election do they lol. It's just silly opposition drumming it up for votes is all, and Jon Oliver peddling the same mistruths to well meaning but hapless wokes.
 
Who says you’re not in the US illegally? There no due process to prove either way. I hope you’ve got a long Duolingo Spanish streak.
Given that I’ve never left the continental US in my life and I have a birth certificate, I’m *pretty* sure I’m a citizen…

Still amused that you’re sidestepping my challenge about saying that thing to a CCP official, though. :D
 
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Manufacturing will come back to the U.S....if machines and robots are doing all the work.

The only way we have manufacturing is if no one actually has to be paid.
Exactly nobody wants to pay the ridiculous wage of union workers look at what it’s done to our auto industry and our food supply

Thankfully, I live in a right to work state “No call, No show, No job No mo’

They can strike all they want, but they’re gonna do it from the comfort of their couch 👍
 
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This is very true, but the current relationship setup with China is just a slow drip poison.
The west only has itself to blame, and all consumers.

People’s knew where products were being made, and bought them. At the end of the day China can do mostly what it wants with its own economy, we have no say except for WTO and the simple act of buying or not. This applies to countries across the globe. Every country does something that’s “unfair” in terms of trade practices.
 
It’s funny that Apple will be using Tata but also Foxconn (their Chinese supplier) to manufacture in India.

The thing I worry about is China has built up decades of highly technical manufacturing prowess that’s not easily transferred to another country like India or even the US.

So it’ll be interesting to see what quality issues stem from this.
 
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India was smart to require them to manufacture there to sell them. I think Brazil or some other South American country was doing the same thing.

The US should make them do the same. Tariff the f out of them. They amazingly can solve problems when forced to do so. Nobody thought you could make the phones in India, but surprise they can. Same thing would happen in the US. If they saw their sales drop because of high tariffs, then they'd magically figure out a way to make them here.
 
Bottom line, it's NOT coming back to the US. Good work Trump you imbecile. Effed around with the market to line the pockets of yourself and your rich buddies and everybody else bears the brunt of higher prices and more inconvenience.
What I don't get is how your supporters didn't see this coming, still can't see it now and still won't recognise your corruption in the future.
He knows how to speak to the less educated people, making them believe he is their friend and is going to help them, even if it's not true.
 
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But but all the fine folks around here who said nobody can leave China and its manufacturing (or lack thereof as it seems will soon be). Only people I feel bad for are the hard working chinese just trying to earn an honest living and now they’re getting pimped just like American manufacturing did in the 90s. Used and abused by corporations until they serviced their purpose, then moved on to another country with ‘cheap’ labor. A vicious cycle that doesn’t seem to end.
 
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If the quality of iPhones made in India are as good as those manufactured in China, I have no problem. However, just to be on the safe side this year, maybe I should get a Chinese-made 17 Pro. There could be quality control issues for the first year or two as Apple increases production to a level not seen before in India.
All our Samsung Mobiles are mostly (including Top Of the line, foldable etc) assembled in India. There are no big quality issues except the screen issue which is specific to the part originated from the source which is not India(Even One Plus suffers from the green lines). Indian Mobile phone manufacturing is far more matured than what many people outside be aware of, which is one of the main reason for them to sell it slightly lesser price than in USA or Other countries. Yes, India lags on the high tech manufacturing like Chips, Memory, Screen, Camera etc….which they are still catching up by a long margin but they eventually get there. Apple could have gained their market in India long back with affordable prices by making the iPhones in India itself but nothing is too late in business.
 
They don't want to pay American workers because you don't want to pay $2500 for a phone!
Absolute nonsense.

Same thing that they claim about hamburgers whenever minimum wage increases come up.

Then we point to the price of a Big Mac in Denmark, where the minimum wage is about $22/hour, and a Big Mac is typically a bit cheaper than in the US, where the minimum wage is STILL stuck at $7.25/hour.

A US made iPhone would NOT be more expensive than a Chinese iPhone. Apple already charges every penny the market is willing to pay, if they thought they could crank up the price, they already would have done it.

The orange fascist's idiotic tariffs may mean $2500 iPhones though - because they're likely to trigger runaway inflation.
 
Absolute nonsense.

Same thing that they claim about hamburgers whenever minimum wage increases come up.

Then we point to the price of a Big Mac in Denmark, where the minimum wage is about $22/hour, and a Big Mac is typically a bit cheaper than in the US, where the minimum wage is STILL stuck at $7.25/hour.
McDonald's here in So. California starts new workers at just over $18 per hour and realistically pays about $20.

Only in a few of those "Red States" is the minimum wage stuck so low.
 
I'm sure you will get to see it firsthand because you will be one of the first to quit your current job and go to work in an iPhone factory.

That is exactly the problem. No one in the US would do that.
Even before the current cluster**** we were still the second largest manufacturer in the world. It’s just that almost none of it was consumer-facing.

We have very specialized industries that make critical components in a lot of areas. Usually things that take very high precision, are uneconomical to transport (like heavy machines), or are extremely automated.

Trouble is that China, specifically, has enormous economies of scale that are especially adept at making electronics, along with generous deposits of raw materials and a massive population of educated people.

Wanting factories that produce iPhones back when we could have factories that produce higher margin products is not a good trade.
 
Even if China was not subject to tariffs, having most of your iPhone manufacturing in one place is stupid - one natural disaster or snafu at the factory and a major source of revenue is gone until Apple could recover. Tariffs are just speeding up Apple's manufacturing diversification, though India forced some of it originally. Never liked Apple having so much manufacturing in one place. Samsung moved their phone manufacturing out of China around the Pacific Rim years ago.
 
It’s funny that Apple will be using Tata but also Foxconn (their Chinese supplier) to manufacture in India.

The thing I worry about is China has built up decades of highly technical manufacturing prowess that’s not easily transferred to another country like India or even the US.

So it’ll be interesting to see what quality issues stem from this.
Foxconn is Taiwanese, not Chinese. Makes a big difference in terms of IP protection.
 
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American consumers will be sneaking in gray market iPhones from outside the country not just to avoid tariffs, but also because of higher quality. What a strange sight to behold.

Would you prefer your $2,000 foldable iPhone to be assembled by Foxconn or Tata? I know which I'd pick.
Isn’t it still just Foxcon buildings in India? I’m pretty sure I read that somewhere a few years ago.
 
nobody wants to pay the ridiculous wage of union workers
That's just an anti-union talking point.

If you had been paying attention, you would have read prior that the labor cost to assemble an iPhone is very small compared to its final cost.

For moving iPhone manufacturing to the US one has to deal with the entire logistics train for all the parts.

And for the US, building new factories is expensive before anyone enters the factory to assemble the first phone.

Roughly 25% of the price of an iPhone ends up as "passive income" for the people who own this world, not to the workers who assemble the phone.
 
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