So this is a universal thing about China and India? Not very dependent on the particular companies? That would be very unusual. Most countries seem to have a mix of high and low quality companies.
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Report: Apple Plans to Source All US-Bound iPhones From India by 2026
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Hmmm, Trump is trying to invalidate the citizenship of certain people that can make that exact same claim.Given that I’ve never left the continental US in my life and I have a birth certificate, I’m *pretty* sure I’m a citizen…
Still amused that you’re sidestepping my challenge about saying that thing to a CCP official, though.
The person some media outlets worship is in the country he is legally a citizen of. He went home. He is no longer breaking US laws.
Hah! Im happy to be not in the US ^^ Damn dust on the lenses and curry under battery… no thanks
It's not sustainable... they need to double the current iPhone production capacity in the US instead of India.
i actually did discuss about tianamen square with another tourists in tianamen square back in 2011, we were next to the security booth waiting to see the flag raise in the morning. got on my flight 2 weeks later.
It was never coming back here. We already have the proof that it's triple the price to make anything here (the $599 guitar is made in Indonesia).
What I would like to see Apple do is partner with someone like Foxconn to build big factorie(s) in Canada. The tariffs are smaller, shipping cost drastically cheaper, and it would create jobs and build up the Canadian cities where the factories are. Basically strengthen Canada making it even more independent than before and being just across the border.
Apple is accelerating its manufacturing shift away from China, with plans to assemble all U.S.-bound iPhones in India by the end of 2026, according to a new Financial Times report.
The ambitious timeline would require Apple to double its current iPhone production capacity in India. It marks a major acceleration of Apple's supply chain diversification strategy, which has been gradually expanding in recent years.
Currently, the majority of iPhones are manufactured in China through partners like Foxconn. The U.S. market accounts for approximately 28 percent of Apple's global iPhone shipments, which totaled 232.1 million units in 2024, according to International Data Corporation.
The shift comes amid renewed trade tensions between the US and China. President Trump recently implemented substantial tariffs on Chinese imports, causing Apple's market value to drop by approximately $700 billion. In response, Apple reportedly rushed existing Indian-manufactured iPhones to the U.S. to avoid higher tariffs imposed on Chinese goods.
The timing isn't coincidental. CEO Tim Cook has reportedly been working diligently behind the scenes to protect Apple from the full impact of Trump's tariffs. As reported last week, Cook secured a temporary exemption for iPhones, Macs, Apple Watches, and iPads from the bulk of Trump's 145 percent tariffs on Chinese imports after phone calls with Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick and other senior White House officials.
The exemption might be short-lived, however. Trump later indicated that "no one would be getting off the hook" and that electronics companies would be "moving to a different tariff bucket" as his administration reviews semiconductors and the electronics supply chain.
Apple has been gradually building manufacturing capacity in India with partners Tata Electronics and Foxconn. The company's relationship with the Indian government may prove helpful, as India is currently working toward a bilateral trade agreement with the U.S., which could provide more favorable trade conditions.
Despite the assembly pivot, Apple still relies heavily on Chinese suppliers for hundreds of iPhone components. The company has pledged a $500 billion investment in the United States but has not announced plans to bring iPhone manufacturing to American soil.
Apple is scheduled to report quarterly earnings next week, where investors will be watching closely for any comments on how these tariffs and supply chain shifts might impact the company's future performance.
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What made me think of this is what China did because of the Trump tariffs and such from his first term. China and some US companies found a loophole in Trump's polices. His tariffs were based on country factories were in not the country of the owners of the company's. So Chinese businesses (and others) opened factories in Mexico. Shipping was very cheap and faster, property was cheap and Mexico welcomed companies building factories and hiring locals to work in them. Companies who did it said it was working very well and locals were great employees. Even Elon Musk said he was going to open a billion dollar battery factory in Mexico, but mysteriously he stopped talking about it and didn't follow through.
Apple why send jobs overseas when you could just encourage your manufacturer's to open factories north and south of the border.
The first two things a Co. does in the "Hamburger" industry when the minimum wage goes up, is lay off employees and raise prices, I know, we used to be in the industry. If you think the prices of an iPhone would not go up if made in America instead of China, you are living in a make believe world. The cost of even building such a place here would be astronomical and take YEARS!
Also what the red hat politicians didn't see was the countries that US businesses started moving factories and jobs to all started to prosper. More jobs, brought more money into the economies, and the countries started becoming more powerful in their regions of the world. Those were countries that also had free healthcare and education. The people worked for less money because they weren't deep in debt from schooling or a health issue. The red hat politicians didn't think maybe if US had free healthcare and education we've have a labor force that could work for less money because they aren't in drowning in debt.
It like the congregation praising their Bentley driving, Rolex wearing, Football team owning multi millionaire pastor.
There must surely be a point at which they say, "Hold on just a second now".
Fair of course, but how honest has our representatives and media been about what China is actually doing.
The guitar on the left is made from poplar and the right is alder.
I don’t totally disagree, but companies will put more features and better finishes on US- made guitars as a value-add.
Live using Sweetwater by the way, awesome company.
Bold of you to think that he reads. It'll be because of something he hears on Fox News.
That's only if you assume Trump's goal is the betterment of the US. It's not. His goal is always (and only) the enrichment and aggrandizement of himself (and other people around him to the extent that it serves the primary goal). Creating turmoil and suffering helps with that goal by lining (some) people up behind him, and distracting people's - and the news cycle's - attention away from other things he's doing.
As far as manufacturing in the US goes, we can't compete with the labor costs in other parts of the world, and we don't have a huge base of highly skilled manual labor to draw from (machinists and such) - we're not really teaching those skills much any more (China on the other hand can get 100k such people to live in close proximity to a factory city). It's also not work that a lot of people want to do. I recall some recent study where like 80% of people surveyed thought manufacturing coming back to the US is a good idea, but vanishingly few of those surveyed reported being interested in taking one of those manufacturing jobs.
If manufacturing comes back to the US, it'll be in the form of highly automated factories, with a comparatively few employees who are involved with overseeing and maintaining the machines that are making the iPhones (or whatever). It's not going to be the millions of jobs that the administration continually leads people to believe.
A map will tell you why.
Foxconn, as with the other Taiwan-based companies, do manufacture items in Taiwan, but they are a huge global corporation and build factories where labor and supply chain allow.
Much manufacturing is still done in the US, but our consumption is far greater than what we make.
Lots of specialty electronics is done in the US.
For something like an iPhone, physical assembly is but one small step.
Arguable the best paid jobs for the iPhone are in the US: the R&D.
I actually worked in Austin assembling a high end Apple product few years ago. They cancelled the assembly line eventually because we were too slow compared to China. By the time we assembled a fully functional product, China made 8 of them with a no quality issues. In total the quality of USA assembled was 5 out of 10 had not passed QC.
That ACLU brief is a bit disingenuous: while presence in the country if once authorized but no longer, such as overstaying a visa, is not a criminal offense, it is a civil offense and punishable by deportation upon apprehension. Tax fraud, discrimination, and unlawfully suppressing speech are also civil offenses.
No, Apple is smart. They know that everything that's going on right now is to put Communist China in it's place, and it's working.
I can certainly see some benefits to having more production in the US. Some problems too. But I don't see why their current arrangements aren't sustainable especially if they have factories in multiple countries giving them some protection against natural or man-made disasters.