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Report: Apple to Switch to Advanced US-Made iPhone Camera Sensors
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America is literally doing it to itself. It’s like a bully who attacks his friends and then acts hurt that people don’t like him. Clownish.
And while they're add it they could also start to manufacture warp drives and cold fusion reactors.
In other words, if they could, they would have done it already.
Of course they would, if they could defy the laws of physics and physical limitation that we have today. How exactly does one scale such a stacked sensor from full frame format to the size of something that fits in a phone? Of course we'll get there one day, just like we got from 90nm to 3nm... it just took 20 years. And after those 20 years, the FF sensors will be far ahead compared to something in a phone.
Apple has filed a patent of their own very novel design with the claims that I mentioned. Next step is design, selecting and working with a fab (possibly Samsung), evaluating first silicon, and then using the sensor in future iPhones.
No doubt in the past you were similarly saying the above (re making warp drives and cold fusion reactors) regarding Apple dropping Intel CPUs and develop their own A/M series processors. Ditto with Apple developing their own baseband modem chips and dropping Qualcomm. Yet here we are today.
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Yes. It’s their Fab. But the custom designed chip is all that matters. And that design is 100% Apple. With the help of ASML
Apple and many others often file patents. Many to have have it and prevent others to make progress in a specific direction. There are patents showing the "holy grail" for specific technology fields and nothing else.
Since you didn't answer the question of how to scale a FF sensor to something much smaller, I take it you have never designed any type of chip. Think a little about how stacked chips affect dynamic range and how noise is reduced.
Care to point me to where I said similar things about Apple dropping Intel chips and develop their own processors (in the Intel era, not 68k or PPC)? Or about the modem? Because I never said such things. On the contrary, I was using some of the technology from Apple long before it hit the market as they often supply others with pre-release technology if it fits their narrative (head over to the Red forum to read about the x86-> ARM switch. Red is part of Nikon today). But since you avoid posting details about technology, put words in people's mouth and show clear lack of understanding of the technology, I'm just going to assume you're an Apple fanboy and keyboard warrior doing an excellent job.
Oh, and I say that as an Apple user since the 80s. But I've developed enough hard- and software to not see everything through rose-colored glasses, but rather the way things are. As Walter Lewin always said in his lectures "Physics works".
Would they be profitable without government tax credits and incentives? Aka charity for billionaires?
Ignoring that these are totally different comparisons (because they're very different products made by very different companies), a base hybrid Camry is like 30K, a base model 3 is 40K. Even the BZ4X (terrible name) is only like 38K.
I will miss Sony, samsung phone cameras never stack up that well to the iPhone in image shoot outs year by year.
I prefer a killer lower res camera, than a medicore 200 megapixel camera. Either way i will be getting a 17 pro max with maybe the last sony image sensor
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I prefer a killer lower res camera, than a medicore 200 megapixel camera. Either way i will be getting a 17 pro max with maybe the last sony image sensor
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Nice try but fender discontinued the $1200 USA SKU during the pandemic. So my chart is accurate.
Nope... Hardware electrical engineer and systems engineer, working on many projects. Though not my focus, I have also designed chips in the past for a small full-custom chip startup that developed signal processing communications related chips (digital up and down converter chips for SDRs, FIR filter chips, QAM modulators/demodulators, etc) that was eventually acquired by a very large US semiconductor company.
As Dr. Richard Feynman would say: "The first principle is that you must not fool yourself and you are the easiest person to fool."
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Of course. That’s not the point. The point is people will pay more for US made if they care.
The quality should be about the same because Apple will bring the Chinese factory workers to the US.
I'm joking. Hopefully.😶🌫️ Apple shouldn't take my comment seriously and actually bring Chinese workers to build the iPhone in Murica.😓Competition is why you won’t see major price increases on anything unless everyone does it.
The only US-made Apple product I've ever got was the 2013 MP trash can. 6 months in there were power issues. It took them a week to diagnose it was the riser cable and PS. Then they also changed the board. They scratched the case so I had to wait another week.
Outside of my first 06 MBP, it was the only Apple product that needed servicing and I've owned dozens over the decade.
Both manufacturing in India and the US will see a drop in quality. China has been doing all this a lot longer. They are better at it, with whatever comes with that "prize."
Outside of my first 06 MBP, it was the only Apple product that needed servicing and I've owned dozens over the decade.
Both manufacturing in India and the US will see a drop in quality. China has been doing all this a lot longer. They are better at it, with whatever comes with that "prize."
My sarcasm was perhaps not obvious enough. If you look at the original reply I put the minus symbol in front of the $1200 in bold.
I wasn't having a go at you.
Who ever said the 16E has had no cellular complaints can't use a search engine. Shame Tim bowed to this pressure but what choice did he have, sadly I'm out as there will now be much better phones with more competition in the market place and with better components and Modern Android is just as good (I own both, a iPhone 16 Pro running iOS 18.6 and one running Murena one on a pixel 8 (De-Googled OS) and both run well. My M4 Max Studio though is staying put, that's a great machine as is so it wont be getting macOS 26. I say Tally Ho, glass UI away you go!
What did you think would happen when you suddenly wage economic war on and threaten to annex your allies? The sentiment that the US is no longer an ally has grown large and many go a step further and now consider the US an enemy.
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Ok then don't buy American products and leave this site then? Apple is an American company. If you hate America, what are you even doing here? Just trolling?
I'm thinking it will possibly be the iPhone 19. So far Apple has a very excellent and exciting patent.
It'll take awhile to design the sensor, have a batch of first silicon chips manufactured (guessing by Samsung), evaluate those chips, possibly make some tweaks in the design, have another handful of eval chips manufactured for testing, evaluate them, and then... if everything goes well, place a large order of production image sensors.
OTOH, it's possible Apple is much further along. And it could be the iPhone 18. Just doesn't seem very likely. But who knows... Apple could be further along.
What I wrote above is pure conjecture (based on past experience, working for a small chip design company years ago).
I do expect their new image sensor will be significantly better than what we have today in mobile phones.
Apple isn’t the US and I don’t hate either Apple or the US but the US have made it clear that they see us Europeans as enemies and even threatened to invade a neighbouring country. If any hatred is present it is coming from a big portion of the Americans that seem to agree we Europeans are enemies.
The problem with declaring that your allies are actually your enemies is that it signals to them that long term they should buy things from other countries. And that is already starting to happen, so long term who knows what I will buy.
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