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iBreatheApple

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Sep 3, 2011
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“making Siri better at handling tasks such as setting timers, creating calendar appointments, adding items to Reminders”

You mean what Siri could do 5 years ago and now barely can? This is hardly the AI-infused Siri of the next generation I was hoping for.

Let’s hope this article is not representative of what we have to look forward to. People are going to have meltdowns if this is an accurate summary.
 

BGPL

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May 4, 2016
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They would be wise to drop Siri and start with something new. Most people have lost confidence with Siri and it only brings a timed-out, deprecated feeling when I hear that name. She had a good run. Also, I'd like them to call it Bob instead. I'd much rather say "Hey Bob" or "hey Bobby" out loud when I'm in my car than say "Hey Siri".
 

MrENGLISH

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Apr 18, 2009
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Siri has become such a joke anymore. If Apple truly does introduce a revolutionary new AI based virtual assistant, they should probably give it a new name.
 
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citysnaps

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The updates just announced for FCPX and Logic Pro are promising that Apple is starting to realize they are way behind. They need to resurrect Aperture.

That will never happen. Adobe LR has been so far ahead of the curve in image processing for a long time, with outstanding features regularly added in updates.

Apple was smart getting out of that business long ago. No way Apple could ever compete with Adobe whose sole business is about image science (with Adobe leadership and founders (both PhDs) being experts in the field).

Back around 2007 I gave both Aperture and Lightroom a good evaluation. Aperture was clunky in comparison - especially in the way it handled non-destructive edits.

Sure glad I went with LR as by the time Apple left Aperture, I already tens of thousands processed in LR, many that I frequently re-edit/process years later.
 

sw1tcher

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Jan 6, 2004
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Addicted to the sweet App Store revenues and margins.
Apple is a publicly held for profit corporation. America is a capitalist nation. What's your beef here?
Apple's fear of App Store revenues taking a hit lead to Apple falling behind on AI. Now they're scrambling to catch up and as a result they may have to partner up with an AI company




Their focus on protecting the App Store made them lose focus elsewhere.

I find it funny that you feel the need to come in to defend Apple and Tim Cook.
 
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victorvictoria

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People always use this argument, that we are not better than Tim Cook. But you don't need to be a chef to know that the food sucks. Customers can judge from the perspective of whether they are getting what they want, whether they are happy with the products, services, prices. Come on, don't lower yourself like this. Tim Cook may have done more than you, but you don't need to keep thinking he is better and smarter than you in every way. Don't think that about yourself.
You've made your point. You are NOT better than Tim Cook. Your food analogy is torturous. Customers are the ultimate judges of a product's desirability. And those judges have awarded Apple $3 trillion stars. And counting. Is he a better person than you or me? No. Is he a better manager? That answers itself, since we're both wasting time to no avail right now, while he's at work running Apple.
 

Tagbert

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Jun 22, 2011
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So that means they thought Siri was state of the art until ChatGPT came along? Would explain a lot but I am at a loss for words. If that was true, it would be like they were living in a walled garden where nothing remotely critical could reach them improving their „already perfect“ software/assistant.

I am screaming/cursing at Siri half of the time and by now I have given up and I’m only using it for setting timers, starting workouts and a WhatsApp/iMessage here and there…
Siri came as a package when they bought which they bought from Nuance. It was built using an older-style AI that tried to infer the user’s intent in requests. Google did something similar but their intent analysis was better. Amazon went with a simpler, command “recipe” approach that met a lot of people‘s needs. Neither one was vastly better than Siri but they were enough better that Siri got a reputation as the slow kid in class.

It turned out that the codebase for Siri was too rigid and convoluted to feasibly enhance. I’ve worked on code based like that and usually argued to start from scratch. That can be hard to justify if there is no competitive pressure to really make the product better.

Apple seems to have seen Siri as good enough and the competition only marginally better. It wasn’t a priority to make major improvements and the technology was limiting.

Now we have much more flexible and accurate interactions with LLMs. If Apple can do a brain transplant of a streamlined LLM into Siri that will be game changing.
 
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ethanwa79

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Nothing but good news here.

BIG BUT….

Apple needs to blow it out of the park. Without deep integration from Day 1 of iOS 18, they will fall further and further behind. Siri needs to ACTUALLY be amazing.
 

klasma

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Jun 8, 2017
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“making Siri better at handling tasks such as setting timers, creating calendar appointments, adding items to Reminders”

You mean what Siri could do 5 years ago and now barely can? This is hardly the AI-infused Siri of the next generation I was hoping for.

Let’s hope this article is not representative of what we have to look forward to. People are going to have meltdowns if this is an accurate summary.
It’s not feasible to run a ChatGPT/Gemini equivalent on-device, so it seems they are shooting for functions with a more limited scope here.
 
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Tagbert

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This reminds me of what happened to Microsoft when Netscape was introduced. Microsoft believed it was way behind the curve and operating systems based on Netscape could supplant Windows. Though behind, they built their own browser and leveraged their installed base to come to dominate browsers on the PC. Apple has a huge advantage once they release their AI. It will be available to over 1 billion users instantaneously. Plus, they can include it for free. Even if one has something that is arguably better it is tough to compete with free.
Even within Apple’s products you have a good parallel.

When web browsers came out, Apple didn’t have one and people were wondering if it would lose out because of that. Apple took a fork of an open source project, KHTML , and rebuilt it into Webkit and launched Safari from that. that spawned most of the browsers we have today.
 

RedWeasel

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Jul 20, 2010
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I think they should rebrand it Jim, but with the following interaction rules:
  • All prompts are initiated with ”Dammit Jim…”
  • That’s it.
”Dammit Jim, what the hell is the weather doing today?!”
”Dammit Jim, where are my keys?!”
”Dammit Jim, he’s out of his Vulcan mind!”
I‘d actually have them get Mila Kunis for the voice and call her Meg.

So when the answers are still as useless as they are today, I can just use „shut up Meg!“ to stop the conversation.
 
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