All I want with side loading is the ability for third-party web browsers that don't require WebKit in order to keep working with older devices. 
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Report: Sideloading in Europe Will Still Involve App Review and Fees
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Yah, Apple needs more money. Being worth 3 trillion dollars, no matter how incomprehensible that number is, is still way too low of a figure. Apple should have all of your money.
Did you have this pro-Apple stance for them charging everyone money before the news of such a thing came out today?
I don't know how you can justify a trillion dollar company sucking every penny it can out of every consumer on the planet. It's severely lacking any kind of integrity.
Maybe they do this where you live. In Europe third-party capsules are available. Not sure how popular they are.
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That is completely irrelevant. It is on the manufacturer to price their goods profitably or make the conscious decision to use as a loss leader. The fact that XBox et al chose to sell at a loss does not mean they their fees are more justified than Apple’s. I’m sure all the consoles would love to try to change their sales model.
It's not irrelevant and it does add justification. You can't sell hardware at a loss and then not make it up somewhere. Unless you consider bankruptcy a desirable outcome. And as I said, if the EU has a problem with that model then I'd have no qualms with them going after that business model either, just like I have no problem with them going after Apple's. At the end of the day both models are set up to do nothing more than extract as much money from consumers' wallets as possible. Newsflash: billion and trillion dollar corporations are not your friend and are not looking out for your best interest. They're there to happily take your money and pass it along to shareholders.
Yes. I’m for corporations being able to sell their discretionary lifestyle products (as long as they are safe in terms of health and safety) at the cost they want and for consumers to spend their money they way they want. People pick in apple, imo, because it’s easy to do so. Don’t see that many picking on Ferrari for example.
That’s your opinion. Nobody needs an iPhone. They are discretionary. People require smartphones.
It’s also going to be equally amusing when the EU fines them $38B for blatant disregard of the law.
If that was he case, I would be with you. But smartphones are more than that. They are a necessity to function in a modern society. Many don't even own regular computers anymore. I'm sure I'm not telling you something new here.
Just some examples from (my) daily life:
- Want to buy monthly ticket for pubic transport => you need a smartphone
- Want to use your electronic id to submit your taxes => you need a smartphone
- Want to (conveniently) order a cab => you need a smartphone
- Want to bank online => you need a smartphone
In a way Apple and Google are victims of their own success. By making their tech indispensable, they attracted the attention of the regulator. Today it's the EU. But more governments are going to impose their own rules worldwide. You can be sure of that.
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Very much doubt Apple would risk that. Sounds like they’ve already discussed it with EU officials and presumably got tentative approval.
So then why sell Apple products at all if it’s 0 margins or close to, who cares if you loose customers that don’t make you money? Unless those customers buy other stuff and having them there makes you money on other products? Then the Apple stuff is like free marketing or in some cases paid marketing when they use AMEX. Maybe being on the Apple App Store is similar.
I'm going to nitpick here. You and I7guy are both right. You are right that smartphones are a necessity to function in a modern society. I7guy was right in that no one needs an iPhone. You may need a smartphone to function in modern society, but it doesn't HAVE to be an iPhone...
It doesn't have to. But there are only two operating systems left, and iOS is one of them. There is also little hope, that another one will emerge in the near future. Microsoft, with all it's might and know-how tried, and failed.
I am not making any judgment claims. My point is that some people talk about side loading as if it won't completely change the app distribution model. I believe it is more likely that users will have to visit multiple platforms to download, update, and purchase iOS apps.
There will be a bunch of unintended consequences. for example, I predict that small developers will be ghettoized in the App Store after all the large developers leave the marketplace. To address your direct question, what does the landscape look like for third-party developers on "actual computers"? It is not as profitable an environment because the iOS App Store model has been an unqualified boon for third-party software distribution.
We will have to wait and see what the landscape looks like after the environment is changed by government agencies' actions, which have been influenced by large developers lobbying for changes to Apple and Google's monetization policies.
It is not a joke. It is how it should be. On a Mac.
macOS and iOS are completely different worlds.
The only people demanding this and other features from android are android fans. Most iOS users don’t care.
Honestly apple to take the 38b hit would actually impress me and make me respect them more. Stand up to the bullying tactics. It’s not like apple doesn’t have the funds.
Harmonyos is/was based off android and up until recently used android apps. It’s still largely irrelevant outside of china
it was the greatest messaging app iPhone's ever had; they implemented features like quick reply EONS before apple brought it around. it had a quick compose function that had a beautiful UI for writing messages from *anywhere* in iOS without ever opening the app.
a richly supported message scheduling feature was amazing to have, and apple has also not implemented it.
biteSMS is what someone can do when they still care about great software development, and wanted to bring some real use out of the Messages app.
Interesting thread.
Somehow I seriously doubt that Apple’s “intent” is set in stone. It will be of little surprise to see the EU come back and say “hold on just a minute …”.
popcorn ….
Somehow I seriously doubt that Apple’s “intent” is set in stone. It will be of little surprise to see the EU come back and say “hold on just a minute …”.
popcorn ….
If you are the landlord of the equity where Costco sells. You can end the contract and kick them out.
I haven’t read through the entire 22 page thread, but a comparison that I haven’t heard and which springs to mind is video game sales. In practice, any game sold for a games console requires paying a licensing fee to Sony/Microsoft/Nintendo, with homebrew being a gray zone legally. So, even if the manufacturers have nothing to do with the making or selling of a game, they still get paid for it. This sounds very similar and is perhaps why it might turn out to be perfectly legal.